Recently I was joined by my soul sister, Blu in an epic series of ayahuasca with my OG shaman El Dragón De La Selva. As much as I never thought I would say this, she is a real life witch (the good kind) and I was fortunate enough to witness her magic firsthand. While the experience itself was absolutely ineffable, I patiently ask her to break down her methods and secrets in this podcast (as much as can be discussed). For more from Blu follow her @bluofearth and on the Deja Blu podcast.

AUBREY: Blu, so I've heard legends of how you operate in the ceremony space and we've been friends for a little while and you're a fantastic human. And then we did Ayahuasca together.

BLU: And everything.

AUBREY: And I witnessed some magical shit. I was sitting at the end of the ceremony on Vylana's mat and she was having a really tough time. This is her story to tell, but rewriting and reprogramming a lot of patterns from her whole life. And you were there doing work on her at the end of the ceremony. And for half an hour I witnessed some of the most profound magic I've seen in my life. How did you arrive at that place where you were able to do that thing, which I saw and could feel cuz I'm still in the medicine as well, right? Like I could feel exactly what you were doing and it was incredibly profound and we'll try to unpack that for people a little bit more cuz they have no idea what I'm talking about. But how did you arrive to that place where you were able to do what I saw you do? 

BLU: Great question. To open it, way to go right to the core beach.

AUBREY: I don't like to go in the shallow end when the deep end is just so nice. 

BLU: Yeah. It's the only water I like to swim in, I should probably–

AUBREY: I hear that. I hear you. 

BLU: It's been a journey for sure, and honestly, I am also sitting front row witnessing and watching and being insanely humbled at the same time as you are. But the journey with learning to surrender to myself over and over and over and over again, and melting the walls of my consciousness of who I think that I am, because it's a co-creation with the same thing that creates a piece of fruit or a flower. It's Christ consciousness, it's God, it's Allah, it's Buddha, it's Krishna. It's a consciousness that's so far beyond what I can even comprehend or perceive. And I'm not here to put it in a box or define it or label it or judge it, but to let it flow through. And that piece is the journey of a lifetime is to let the co-creation with something greater than itself without needing to know. And I tell you, I've died a million deaths within this lifetime and I've been on a very, very deep initiation and a deep path with Grandmother of learning to–

AUBREY: And grandmother is Ayahuasca for people who don't know who grandmother is. 

BLU: Like you get your grandmother's house and she loves you fiercely, but like if you touch the thing she doesn't want you to touch, she's gonna spank you on the ass. Yeah, I've been stunted quite a few times 

AUBREY: Oh sure.

BLU: And I've been humbled but my journey with grandmother Ayahuasca started about seven years ago. And I was just this little humble student that walked into this space and I stumbled across this ceremony and I was wearing little shorts and a t-shirt and didn't really know a deep sense of my identity or a deep sense of really what I represented or what I brought to the world.

AUBREY: Did you have, you must have had some inklings though. I mean, you must have felt some medicine moving through you before that first ceremony seven years ago. I mean, as a little girl did. Were things just a little funny and were you able to do certain things that most people were like, what are you doing Blu? What are you doing? You're like, I don't know, but I don't know. I can feel something. 

BLU: Well, I definitely had an extremely vivid imagination, which has stayed alive and it's allowed me to play in the realms where most people don't tap into. And also, there's like blanket statements of get your head out of the clouds or you live in a fairytale. And ultimately, there's 8 billion people on the planet. There's 8 billion different realities happening simultaneously based off the lens you look at life through. So, yeah, I may live in a fairytale compared to other people, and my fairytale is very real for me. And magic is the default.

AUBREY: I visited your fairytale and it's real for me too, so we're in the same illusion, babe. Like is it? 

BLU: And I felt that because I felt you with me during that experience and I felt you understood it and I felt you got it. And I would say that something has catalyzed me exponentially in the realm of feeling is losing a large percentage of my hearing. About five years ago I was diagnosed with a hereditary hearing disorder. And at the time it was catastrophic. I'm in my twenties and I've got given that I'm going deaf, it's getting worse and it's incurable. And these are the cards I've been dealt. And at the time it was extremely discombobulating. I felt extremely isolated. I felt like I could be in a room full of people and I was extremely alone because people were chatting and laughing and I had no idea what was going on. So I just didn't wanna be around humans. But Albert Einstein talks about energy being never created nor destroyed, only changed in form. So I didn't lose something, I gained something, but it just required the right frame to understand what that was. And my deep work with the medicine allowed me to actually recognize that the energy just got relocated to the realm of feeling a sense that we do not send any energy to it, but there is a lot of energy towards it, because it's not in the physical realm yet it's happening all the time. And it's the realm of no bullshit. And this is the realm that Ayahuasca will take us to, if the mask comes off, the labels come off, our name, our job, our identity, our number in our bank account. All of this melts and what is left, this is where people go through an ego death. Because what's left is the essence of who you are and how much you love. And that's actually the superpower here, is just to sit with someone in a place where I have made peace with all parts of my consciousness, and I'm gonna love you when you can't love yourself so that you can meet yourself in this space and heal. I'm not a healer, I'm a space holder. I just hold unconditional love.

AUBREY: Just debatable. Yeah. 

BLU: Ultimately, because I like to think that Vylana in that moment was healing herself. I just have some tools in my tool belt. 

AUBREY: I also, 11 years ago, sat with grandmother, sat with Ayahuasca, had an incredibly profound experience and certain things went online. I felt like I was able for the first time to really feel energy, to move energy, to put my consciousness, actually it was Mehcad at the time who was going through a recovery from a car accident. In that very first series of sessions with Maestro Orlando, I was able to send my consciousness to him and send healing to him. At that point I was certain that it was for real, not just my imagination doing it so I can understand how certain things come online. And what you're saying is that's really how it worked for you. You just started sitting with the medicine and things became possible that were formerly just imagination. Just a story, just an idea of what somebody else said, but then all of a sudden you were able to do it.

BLU: The feedback is what is the truth or not, right? So, for example, Vylana went through a full experience where right at the end she went from going through the shamanic process of death, purification, rebirth, integration. So she went through a death of a certain identity that was not serving her. Then we went through a purification, we cleansed her off, we bloomed Apache, it was a recalibration. Then the rebirth happened and she came back and she tapped back into her channel, into her power. And so that's the feedback. That's the truth of the situation, is the feeling. The truth is always in the feeling. If she's still purging the whole time, now I'm going around her and she ain't budging and she's not moving through anything. But at the end I'm like, yeah, she went through a profound healing. It's like, well, there's a disconnect here. But it's a co-creation. With that, she actually came back and then the next day was wearing all red, cuz she went through a full rebirth. So that's the truth of it. Even though if you're a fly on the wall and you're like, what the heck is going on here? This isn't real. This is all fairy. Get your head out of the cloud. You're living in a fairytale. Well, yes, based off of your lens, but the truth is that she went through a healing. So it's real. 

AUBREY: You had a very specific set of techniques, and I understand the idea. See, when I went into that space, that liminal space where things were possible that were formerly not possible, I was like, what do I do here? Right? Do I move my hands like this? Maybe that kind of works. Do I blow my breath like this? Maybe that kind of works. But I had no structure to really what to do. Now my Maestro Orlando El Dragon de la Silva who we got to sit with. He also has his structure, the way that he blows on your hands, the way that he does the soplado on the top of your head. He has these few certain things, but I certainly wasn't engaged in that, so I was just kind of exploring. Did you have a mentor that taught you the techniques to apply to what you’re sensing, knowing, feeling was telling you to do? Or was this something that you just intuited. 

BLU: My mentor is the medicine. And I'm very specific with my intentions at the beginning, please. Grandmother Ayahuasca uses me as a vessel of unconditional love for the service and the greatest good of the space and for anybody that needs support. And please guide me wherever it is that I am meant to be a vessel of support and help for the healing of this individual. And she listens. Intentions are so important. You go in without intentions and it's like trying to hit a target with a bent arrow. You go in with intentions; you've got that straight arrow. This is something that I've sat with the medicine a lot and I have been learning to trust the medicines because it's quite a sensation to have another consciousness running the show inside of your body. That is a journey in itself to watch my hands know exactly where the meridian points are, know exactly where to press, where there's blocked energy, and what story is attached to that energy. The amount of information that's coming at me in those moments is profound. There's nothing else to think about and it's the only place for me, this is why I know it's my dharma, because there is not a single thought of doubt, of resistance, of uncertainty, of crushing myself. When I am in that zone, it's the only thing that makes sense in the world. 

AUBREY: There's almost no room for thinking in that place and that would just be an impediment that would just be throwing gravel on a very smooth, luge where you're just on this track. And if you start to think about it, what am I doing? Why am I doing this? Then everything just crumbles. And I've felt that a little bit myself, but I'm just wondering, you've had what a few hundred sits with Ayahuasca? 

BLU: I would say that it's too many to count at this point. 

AUBREY: Well, hundreds.

BLU: I would, yeah, probably. 

AUBREY: Yeah.

BLU: Yeah. 

AUBREY: And I guess with that intention, I feel like I was learning some things myself. I don't think that that's necessarily my path, but as I’ve sat close to 30 times, it's more possible now than ever before. Things are happening, languages started coming through me. Different things that like, whoa, what's this? But I've been around this enough, especially with Vylana, whose languages come through. Her healing comes through her. I've felt certain things happen.  I just trusted and I was like, oh, this is cool. 

BLU: Yeah.

AUBREY: I don't know exactly what this is for, but why am I speaking like an insect? I don't, I'm not really sure. But it's helpful right now, so I'm just gonna continue to allow myself to do it. But I guess what I'm marveling at was the precision of your work and I guess just over time in that instruction and just allowing your body to make, to listen the way you specifically suck, air, blow air, everything else that you're doing. It just is fully guided.

BLU: A hundred percent guided. I mean, it's like going to the gym and strengthening a muscle. I've sat with a very specific group of individuals guided by one of my greatest teachers and mentors, Reverend Brianna Lynn, and she created a space where there is a healing mat in the center. And the healing mat is an opportunity to train and refine the healing modalities. And she has seen me from day dark. She's like, “there's something going on here, Blu and I want you to be able to have the freedom to be able to explore it without the rigid rules and without the structure that says you sit upright and you stay in your position.” And even if there's those impulses, you stay, she's given me the wings to be able to trust what is coming through. And so that is a huge, important piece is that there was this space that was supporting that as opposed to shunning it. And within that space, then I went to the gym and I started strengthening the muscle. And really the muscle was to trust myself. But I believe that I've been doing this for lifetimes. And it's so fluid. And I would say that she, Grandmother, Ayahuasca knows exactly what she's doing and she needs a physical body to be able to support this next level of healing. And I just so have made a contract with her that I will be that physical body and so I get to give all of the credit to her and continue to be a humble student because every time I drink the medicine, I don't know where she gone pay me like the first two ceremonies, I was like, conjuring the wind. That's a whole other story.

AUBREY: We'll get to that.

BLU: And I was like in the quantum playing with timelines, dusting off potentials can go into the grid. That's a whole journey in itself. But then the third ceremony completely took me down. So it's about coming to the medicine as a humble student always. And I did not plan to do that experience with Vy. I sat back on my mat and the medicine. I like to have a conversation with her and she was like, go over to Vy’s mat, sit with her and place your hand on her spine. I'll guide you for the rest of it. And I had so much resistance because right at the beginning of the ceremony, she was going into her death of an outdated conversation that is looping in her experience. And I recognized the shamanic cycle. So when someone's going through that cocoon experience, I let them be. So I was fighting, I was resisting with grandmother, and I was like, oh, come on. No, but she's in her own space. She's like, Blu. I'm like, ah. So it was like this ping pong match back and forth that was like, and she's like, “well, I'm not gonna go away with this nudge until you surrendered to me.” And so eventually I went over and then in the sharing circle the next day, she said that she was crying out in her mind for help. And so I was picking up on that. 

AUBREY: Yeah. I mean, she was in a place, and I've seen her in similar places. Obviously no experience is the same. I've seen her in similar places. I would venture to say, Vy is an incredibly powerful being who's capable of miracles upon miracles. So who knows? But it feels like if you weren't there to offer that, that may still be with her now, and it may still be with her for the future. Like it was a very critical juncture where she was at this breaking point. And she just needed a little support. And you worked with her for, I don't know, 20 minutes while I was there at least. And then she kind of sat up from her crying and puking and everything else all the purging that was going on, shaking all of that. And then she got herself back in, was tapped into her own medicine and you just said, “Welcome home.” I was like damn, that was some gangster shit. Some gangster witchy shit that I just saw and yeah, it was beautiful. I want to talk a little bit more about the techniques because you have a specific way that you use tobacco and your breath, and I know obviously this is guided by the medicine and you're not thinking about it when you're doing it, but retrospectively looking back at what happens, do you have an understanding of what you're actually doing and how the paradigm of what's happening inside a person, how that works?

BLU: Yeah. So one of my gifts is empathy. And empathy isn't just to empathize with someone, be like, oh, it's to actually go into their experience and I have the ability to sense where the block is. It was specifically in her lower spine. I detect where the block is energetically, and I just go and make myself known, my presence known through my hands, and just send all unconditional love to start to move the energy through. This was before she purged. 

AUBREY: What is that energy though? Like? What is it? I mean, for some people are like, yeah, what do you mean? Is it like a muscle? And obviously we know it's not that, it's something else. It's life force, it's chi–

 BLU: It's a story.

AUBREY: Expressed in an etheric body? 

BLU: It's quite difficult to explain with the English language, I guess. 

AUBREY: Yeah, I agree. But that's what we're here to do.

BLU: Right. Let's do it.

AUBREY: We can't make people feel it here through this podcast. 

BLU: I would say it intuitively, it's intuitively I feel exactly where it is, where it's stored. And if you look at Vylana's body, just from the 3D perspective, you're like, yeah, she's strong. It's not a very clear, obvious blockage going on in her body. So it's energetic. It's not that she's carrying a lot of weight in her right hip or it's so far beyond just with the five senses, it's energetic and I can feel it specifically, right because I'm on two cups of medicine, so I've got a huge ally in my consciousness. That's going, Hey, right down her, her left spine is where there's a story that is a story and it's an illusion and it's looping and it's creating her to close off and not want to connect in this certain way. Okay. Go. Love that.

AUBREY: Yeah. It's as if, I guess the way that I would describe it, people always try to separate mind, body, spirit and they all pretend that these are different things or souls even, it's all the same. Like, it's all in the body, the mind, the spirit, the soul. It's all expressed. Through the body, it's all woven together. It's inexorable. So there's the physical body stacked and layered exactly on top of the somatic body on top of the astral body, on top of the theoric, whatever you want to say. All the language it's just approximations anyways. But it's all there and you can access it. The physical body, like this is the portal of portals. Like this skin we have because we can actually touch it. It actually gives us a location to be able to access the things that are not able to be accessed in any other way and in this particular case, that energy was held in one particular part of her body, which represented through whatever maps exist and have always existed. Some way in which that story was attracted to that particular spot. That's where she was holding it. And that’s too much to get into at this point, but for whatever reason it was there. You were drawn to it. The thing that was going to untie the knot was unconditional love, which makes perfect sense. That is our divine nature. Right? So anything else is a delusion. And that delusion then stops the flow of energy from moving. So you're there, empathy, unconditional love. What are you doing?

BLU: I speak to it.

AUBREY: You talk to it too? 

BLU: I talk to it.

AUBREY: Okay.

BLU: It feels like it has its own consciousness. Something that's looping for a prolonged period of time starts to build its own consciousness. 

AUBREY: Like an entity. 

BLU: Exactly. But this is nothing to be afraid of because it's just the absence of light.

AUBREY: It's like a little nasty flying squirrel we're keeping in our pocket of energy. Yeah. 

BLU: And it's sucking. It's draining and it's gonna drain the people that are also interacting with her if it's not checked over a prolonged period of time. People get afraid of these things. And we picked them up. We all picked them up over, over our journey through this human experience. And it did not start with us. And it did not start with the person that passed the onto her goes very, very, very deep. And they have a ruse. For me, it's like turning on a light switch on it and the second the light goes on, the shadow cannot exist in that space. And so, Brianna would share with me that our attention and our intention can create magic. So I put all of my attention onto that place that I'm intuitively guided to, and then I pull my intention by having a conversation with it to move it through the medicines in her, the medicine's in me. And we are communicating and co-creating. 50% of it is her because she's receptive, she's open, she's willing, and she trusts. 50% of it is me and the medicine and in trusting what wants to come through. And then it was moving out the spine and once we moved up the spine, then this is when purge came up because this is a physical manifestation of something that is being expelled from the body. 

AUBREY: When you say a conversation, are you actually using words in your mind, because I didn't hear you whispering necessarily audibly. So in your mind, are you using language or are you using another type of conversation? 

BLU: In this specific instance, I did not speak out loud, but because of the space. And honoring the space, but actually I usually speak through very interesting language that usually comes through me but in this instance, I was communicating with it. I guess you would say telepathically and it was, thank you for your lessons and you're no longer needed. And it's a gratitude because it's there for a specific reason. It's there to show us, we can learn and evolve and grow, and up level exponentially and simultaneously. We don't need to carry it once it's detected. Once our attention, intention, and she's recognized and experienced what the contraction is created because of this story and how she is ready, because it would not have even called to me if she wasn't ready to release it. So the fact that she had come to the ceremony, she's there to heal and we are in this conversation now it's ready to go. So, I don't know. It's not like I have a plan of the specific ways it's gonna come out. I'm just listening. And I think that that also tied in with my hearing loss is our greatest challenge in this life. Always with every single person on this planet. Our greatest challenge is our greatest gift always. So if I lost my hearing, I'm here to listen more than I've ever listened in my life. And I listened so deep to the subtleties. No one needs to say a thing. I know exactly how you're feeling, and so I can listen to what that story is and how it wants to move.

AUBREY: At a certain point, so you're moving this energy up the spine at a certain point, and kind of throughout you're doing things with your breath. You're sucking, blowing, spitting-ish, using tobacco. What are these techniques actually doing and how do they facilitate this process? 

BLU: So with the sucking and then like a filtering system because I don't have an emotional attachment to this energy. There's an emotional attachment for her. That's why it's seated in the body. But for me, I don't have a comic contract with this energy, so I can actually inhale it and it transmutes in my body. So this is a technique that I've learned through the medicine and basically I inhale what isn't serving her and I transmute it in my body. And then, it's taking the weight out of it. It's probably the best way that I can describe it.

AUBREY: There's that Buddhist meditation practice song, Lynn, I think it's called. And where you actually breathe in this dark smoke, and then you exhale like pure light. And in some ways, a faster version of that, a more precise surgical example of doing that, where you're just pulling in this energy, not worried about it sticking to you because you have no attachment to it, which is, I think–

BLU: Hollow bone

AUBREY: A beautiful thing for people to think of, because we think of everything as so contagious. We're in this world where everything's so contagious, we have to be so afraid. But these energetic things, they need the roots, they need the soil, the fertile ground to actually be able to stick and so what you're saying is, well, I don't have that in me. This story is not gonna attach itself to me. So I'm able to pull that in, alchemize it within, through my furnace of unconditional love and exhale and transmute it.

BLU: And exhale. The fertile soil for the new roots to grow for a new story. And it's the epitome of a hollow bone and that's the shamanic part. Is to allow it to come through without identifying with it. Because the second we identify, we become sticky and that's when we take it on. And so it's specifically for empaths. People that really feel very deeply the journey for empaths is not to identify with what it is that you're experiencing, but watch the different feelings float by like a river. She'd be like, oh, that's that and that's that and that's that. But not, I am this, I am angry. No, I'm experiencing anger. There's two different energetics. And so you either become sticky and you take it on and then it becomes fearful and it creates more division, me and them, or it's a recognition that I am a witness of this, but I hold only unconditional love. And as I can draw this out, alchemize it, and then just place back fertile soil for a new story to happen, then it's like a filtering system.

AUBREY: Yeah. Maestro Orlando was telling me that when he blows tobacco, he's pushing in. Like pure light and love energy. He's pushing in this energy and as he pushes that in, the other negative energy has to come out. It's almost like physics in a certain way. You push the energy in and then there's not enough room. And so the other energy comes squirting out and then you can inhale that to make sure that it really transmutes, I suppose. So it blows and then pushes that new energy in and then that unlocks and releases some other energy. And his method is very much like that when he is doing the tobacco healings. And then immediately, just capture it like fucking ghostbuster style and then just move it along the way. I witness you do that in a different way obviously everybody has their own sub but it was very similar.

BLU: And I almost see through the being, so when I’m, the breath goes and that moves it, that, that places the energy behind it, and then the kind of creates a new imprint. But instead of just seeing the body, I see like if I'm doing this for example, on the heart, I'll see through the heart and behind the heart. So it goes all the way through as opposed to just stopping inside.

AUBREY: Right?

BLU: Yeah.

AUBREY: All the way through all the layers of the union that we are, all of the different types of body

BLU: Like Doctor Strange when they're like–

AUBREY: Totally

BLU: The body kinda leaves and like, there's so many different layers.

AUBREY: Yeah.

BLU: Just because we create an email and we write it, we press send, we don't see a letter fly out of our computer, but we know that it is sent. There is so much happening in the non-physical realm. That we hardly tap into yet. We just, every single day, send emails. I don't even think about it. When we talk about the shamanic realms, people are like, oh, that's woo-woo. It's like, that's like an email. 

AUBREY: Yeah. It's woo-woo if you haven't felt it. And I have the deepest respect and sympathy. I think people should be skeptical because you know what? I've been around a lot of people who've done some woo-woo shit and I'm like, I don't feel thing. I don't feel nothing. What you did this profound healing that you did is nothing. And you're gonna charge for it. And that's a fucking big thing. So I don't actually think that skepticism as a default is a bad idea because I've seen a lot of people who are doing no healing of any sort. Just charging money and going through a charade perhaps with good intentions. They just don't have the skills or perhaps they know that they can't really do anything, but who knows? I don't know. I think most of the time probably people think they actually are doing some good, they've just diluted themselves. So I understand the skepticism, but then you actually get around some real shit and then all of a sudden you're like, well this is incontrovertible. This is nothing that, I can't argue with this anymore cuz I was there, I felt it, I saw it, it happened, it fucking happened. And the result of it happening is the healing, like you said, the proof is in what actually happens and what happened that day from Vylana. I was just a bystander witnessing it and I could sense it, but it was profound and it happened. It was for real and I've been in that other situation where it's happened for me and I know it's for real. And then at that point you're just insane. You’re gas lighting yourself if you believe anything other than what you've experienced. 

BLU: And I believe that there was a deeper reason why you were sitting and witnessing it. Because I believe you have a profound gift too, and that's why you could see it because you have to be a vibrational match to understand, comprehend, and receive it for what it was. There was nobody else in that experience. There was someone sitting in front of her, but she also didn't fully receive what was happening. She received her own medicine, but there was a specific reason why you were sitting there and watching. And that's why I was shown that we have codes for each other. 

AUBREY: No doubt. I'm ready. And I saw that. So this year has brought me so, like leaps and bounds further on my spiritual path. I've always been able to hold a very tranquil and loving space. I've held space in many ceremonies for many years. I mean especially back like, I started the medicine path 22 years ago, so for the first 12 years or so, there's no access to a bunch of random healers and witches and wizards that are roaming around. It's just like, look, I can do this. Like, I can hang out, we'll take some mushrooms. Like, you'll be good, we'll smoke some DMT, it's gonna be good. Like I can set a right intention and whatever. And then this year though, with the apprenticeship I did with Porangui, with the body work. I started to feel myself able to do things that I never thought I would be able to do before. And I also laughed because I was one of those people that was doing these things that looked like what healing looked like, but nothing was happening like I would for sure do like the pantomime, like some kind of Reiki bullshit. You're good. And I'd be like, yeah, was that good? I bet it was good for you, and I was like, I didn't feel anything. I'm sure they didn't feel anything. I'm just fucking moving my hands around him, and then all of a sudden, I drop in with him. I get his codes if you want, like the downloads of what he's able to bring through. And I'm starting to feel myself do it and I can feel it. And then I'm like, oh, damn. What a fool. Loving, trying as hard as he could. Best as he could in the best way possible, fool. But I was trying to do things, but I didn't feel anything, so it wasn't happening. And then all of a sudden I'm doing things and I'm feeling it. I'm like, Oh, there's the difference, now things are actually happening. So, I appreciate what you said, and I agree. Like I know things are possible now that haven't been possible before, and it's just the start of the journey and it's exciting.

BLU: It's a journey from moving beyond logic from moving out of the mind and fully into feeling. Fully into the feeling realm. And this is a realm that we aren't trained in really being, we live in a reality where it's masculine dominated, it’s operating in the mind. And also I think that the reason why people resonate so deeply with your work and with your podcast is because you walk a really beautiful balance between allowing yourself to feel and be witnessed in that and simultaneously building a structure so that the magic can flow through. And I think that this is a great gift for you because you can set up the experience and then now your training is to just drop all of the identities of who you think you are and fully into what is alive in the moment, the medicine of the moment. And from that place, watch miracles happen.

AUBREY: Yeah. This experience that we had was truly astounding in that I knew that we were actually sitting with a real dragon for one, like a real dragon. Maestro Orlando his name, he goes by El Dragon de la Silva and he has a whole story. And this story will be told, I actually got to interview him and we'll see when all this content comes out and all it lays out. But we don't need to go into all that. But he was a real dragon. And the only thing I could express with being in ceremony with you is like, oh wow. There was a real dragon at the head of the ceremony. And then there was a real white witch in the ceremony. There's a real one. A real one. A real Glenda and it was like–

BLU: Real, real, real

AUBREY: Like a real one. She's my friend. 

BLU: It’s a Wizard Ari.

AUBREY: Exactly. And I've always been drawn to these fantasy novels and these fantasy stories and this fantasy art. And then there I was sitting, getting Ayahuasca served to me by a dragon and watching a witch in real life. It was amazing. And so I guess just to talk about that, I mean, we may touch on the dragon again. I'd love to get your take on that experience with you cuz you've sat with the medicine a lot, but let's just talk about the term witch because this is a very charged–

BLU: Very likely

AUBREY: That's been around for a long time and usually in a denigrating way, but now it's coming back online in an awesome, respectful way of what someone's actual powers might be. And there's also the dark side, the brujos, the brujas, the dark expression of this, the manipulative expression of this. But you're purely in the light and, but you're also, the only word that I could use would be. A witch. How, what's your relationship with that word?

BLU: Whew. It is so charged and is something that ultimately the work that I do today not that long ago, I would've been killed for, I would've been put on the stake and burnt publicly for, and it creates a lot of fear. There's a lot of charge around that word. Ultimately, if you break the word down, it means wise woman. A woman that is connected with the elements. A woman that is connected to communicating with nature and animals working with the medicines of the earth to heal others. And yet, simultaneously the way that it was set up that the women are extremely powerful, extremely powerful. And I think that you have such a profound reverence for that. You really see it. And specifically with your relationship with Vylana, like dating, not dating, married to a union with a woman that is also a witch in her own right.

AUBREY: Very much so.

BLU: There's a reverence to it, but not everybody has that. And depending on what text you read, there's millions of women that were practicing anything to do with herbal medicines or anything to do with hand on healing, were cast out as witches. And also the witches or the wise women, the healers, essentially, we didn't call ourselves witches. That was the name that was given to women that were healers. And so then it created this dogma in this sphere around it. But this is the biggest piece of the suppression of the female voice on the planet. If you look at the issues on the planet, the feminine is out of balance with the masculine. Why? Because women were slaughtered for this work. And we're not talking about–

AUBREY: And not small, not a small amount, like in large numbers large–

BLU: Large numbers–

AUBREY: And the whole lineage is, the whole lineage is just shunted.

BLU: And then our memory runs in our DNA. So I may be the great-great-great granddaughter of a woman that was burnt, and yet my memory still in my DNA holds my throat when I speak and I'm afraid to be seen in this power. Because I'm still new to this, this power is flowing through me and it requires a certain frame to allow this artwork to be presented ultimately. I was in an experience where I felt I'm with my soul family.

I'm in a space where I'm loved and I'm seen and I'm celebrated, and they haven't seen me fully. And so there's always that like, it might be too much. And I do wake up with a vulnerable vulnerability hangover the next day. I'm like, oh no, I'm gonna go to breakfast. They're either gonna be like, boo, we're gonna be like, “it's the witch, hide.” And this is really the work that I'm doing. This is my devotion, to support women specifically in recalibrating and reconnecting with their innate powers and their innate gifts. Everybody has superpowers. It's just really the permission that we give ourselves to let them come through in the safe places that are set up to allow these things to come through. But I also have a tattoo on my hand that has specific symbols, now through certain experiences with family members. I have been called a witch by my family members and actually–

AUBREY MARCUS: And not in a good way.

BLU: Sorry.

AUBREY: And not in a good way. 

BLU: No, because they're Christian and so whilst the Christian, the, the Christian Foundation of the Christian religion or any religion is good and evil. And Witch was a derogatory term that was used for women, that would have connected to nature or the elements, and then they're cast out as evil. So it's justified to burn them because our religion is based off of this dualistic nature. And so now when you use the word witch and there is a religious program that is running in the foundation of your identity, then you need to do everything to get that out. And I just so happen to fit that shoe size. And I have these symbols and I do this work and I'm a witch according to what they know. And ultimately what I'm experiencing on the other side of the lens is, I'm experiencing that I'm supporting people through some of the greatest healings that they've ever experienced in their lives. That is what is real. And I am so ready to stand in the fire and be projected on until kingdoms come, because I know that I am leaving this planet more beautiful than I found it. And that's the only truth that I can live with. Other people will create stories based off of what they know and we judge what we don't understand and I get that and I have compassion for that. And I genuinely love anybody that is going to create a judgment towards what it is that I do. But it's not gonna stop me from doing it. I'm not gonna be burnt in this lifetime.

AUBREY: No you're not. And if and if you get burned, there's gonna be a lot of people in that fire

BLU: And that's what I felt when you were there with me as well. I was like, oh, wow these two humans are my family for life. Because if you can meet me and hold space for this to come through then you can have a friend for full years and never go to the depth where we went to in a very short period of time. And to me that says the fabric of the longevity of our connection.

AUBREY: I too am dedicated to healing myself, of course, but the world. And so I see you and I see what you're doing. So an attack on you is an attack on all things that are good. It's an attack on the healing of the beings of this planet, all beings and so. 

BLU: That means so much to me by the family. 

AUBREY: Yeah. They come for you. They come for me. It's as simple as that.

BLU: I love you so much.

AUBREY: I love you too. Going back to the term witch, there is a certain power in reclaiming that word and it's like you see this with other words too, that have been cast, especially towards women, but towards all people. A word like slut for example, and then women will say, no, no, I'll reclaim that word. Fine. You wanna call me a slut? I'll be a slut. And like, I'll own that. And like, reclaim and there's like a power in it. And there's a certain power in actually using that word and in which certainly maybe doesn't have the same kind of well, and it does, it's just different and there's power in reclaiming that word and saying, this is what you wanted to call me. Here I am, I am this. Can you deal with it? And there's a power in that. There's also the other option of just being like, yeah, well, let's just stay away from that word. Let's just leave it to the side. But then again, when you do that, you leave room for people to use the word as an attack, as an arrow, as a barb. And so I think that's why these words, the reclamation of these words, have so much power. What's your stance on, on that particular topic, like the use of the word witch or calling it something else?

BLU: I still haven't fully claimed the word myself. I have not presented myself as a witch. 

AUBREY: Oops. 

BLU: I mean I really try to avoid labels in general.

AUBREY: Sure.

BLU: People have said charming. I would never present myself as a Shaman. I would say I'm listening…

AUBREY: Right? 

BLU: Which seems kind of dull, but also simultaneously it means it can be anything. I can be a dragon in a moment. I can be a witch, I can be a crone. But it's listening to what's alive in the moment as opposed to, this is what I am and I can only be defined as this. It's multifaceted, multi-dimensional which is the realm of the medicine or the realm of healing in general. That's what it truly means to be the hollow bone is to be everything and nothing simultaneously. And so I think that there is a reclamation of the witch that's happening in the collective right now within women that archetype the Joan of Arc energy. That is like, you know what? I do have something inside of me, and I'm not gonna be burnt again. And I'm gonna have all of the courage to start speaking. And even though my voice trembles, I'm gonna share my story and my truth. And if the word witch supports that, then fully claims it, then that is medicine for the planet. And I have a sister that fully claims Brianna. She has been, like I shared with you, one of my greatest teachers and she has fully claimed the word witch. And it can be used in multiple ways but be careful she's a witch. It's really about the tone like she's a witch. But anybody that's had any religious programming, that's gonna create a lot of their defenses to come up because that represents evil. 

AUBREY: Yeah. When you think about this in history you think about just men who had physical superiority over women. And these powers threatened the balance of power amongst the sexes. All of a sudden there was an access to a certain power that threatened the physicality that men were able to bring. And so that created this fear. And then you look at religion and this gave direct access to the divine, which certainly most religion was built upon being the middle man between ordinary people and God, so that they could actually, as all middle men do, whether you're dealing drugs or you're dealing God, the middle man gets fucking rich. You know what I mean? And so obviously anybody who is offering direct access gotta get them out. It's just good business. If you're the middleman, you eliminate the competition, you become the source and the dealer of all divinity but you look at it from that lens and it's just so sad. But then, nonetheless we think, oh, good thing we've moved past that, but really like what are the institutions now that are suppressing different types of information, suppressing natural methods of healing, suppressing all of these things it's still the energy of this is scary. It tips the balance of power, and this is bad for business. And that's why all the great revolutionaries have been killed. That's why all of these things have happened, is anything that threatens this balance of power is a threat. And people who are addicted and drunk on power, they just eliminate it.

BLU: And the funny thing is, it's not a sustainable source of power because it comes from something external. No, we're bypassing the fountain of youth, the greatest nectar of life, which is the only place it can come from internally. And women just have the star gate enterprise between their legs, a portal from one dimension to the next where every single human on this planet came out of. A woman.

AUBREY: Yup. 

BLU: How threatening it threatens the very power structures that are in place right now. But hey, we're in the great reset. We're in the great purge of humanity right now in this time. And anything rotten in the foundation of humanity is coming out through the law of nature. It must. So what's happening? The women are coming out and their voices are starting to be heard. The ones that have been behind the scenes healing, but shhh not anymore. And here we are having a podcast about it. This is the first time I've publicly spoken about this level of healing that I do.

AUBREY: Yeah. And the mob will come. The mob will come. It's just the nature of it and this is something that all of us who are stepping forward to stand for something really beautiful to stand for the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible like the mob is coming and it's there. All you have to do is put out your opinions and there's a million ways that you'll be attacked. And people will try to cancel you. The advantage we have in our world right now is it's fucking intense to be canceled. It's intense to have a bunch of Instagram arrows slung at you but it's not as intense as a big pile of sticks in a fucking lit torch like that was the reality for a long time we're like, we can handle this. Like people aren't getting killed and yeah. And so hope and I trust and believe that it's not going to go to that. I mean, of course there is a dystopian idea in which things could get so dark. That it could happen like that, but it doesn't look like it. Doesn't seem, doesn't look like it. And it looks like, yeah, the mob will come, but they're not gonna come with their pitchforks. They're just gonna come with…

BLU: Words. 

AUBREY: Some shitty comments.

BLU: And the beautiful thing that I'm feeling is that the contract that was created between you and I long ago and far away was to be able to talk about this, but then to have our tribe, have our crew, have our community where that's actually what's the most important. And we can have the internet trolls, say things and to try and break it down. But when you have community and when you have each other, then it's an immunity that transcends that having the power over. And that's why we need community. That's why we need like-minded individuals. And I used the word need very little. 

AUBREY: Yeah.

BLU: But it's extremely important. And when I sat in the ceremony and I could see everybody's light bodies being not just a physical flesh puppet and the names that we have and the positions in society in which we do but actually saw everyone's soul. That was when I was like, I am home with my family here. And we are powerful as individuals, but together, when we unite, we're unstoppable. And love will always win. And we have come a long way. We have come a long way, like you said, from pitchforks and from being burnt at the stake to Instagram comments.

AUBREY: Oh, right.

BLU: A nasty email here or there. Like we've come a long way. But if someone was to come hump me down and put me on a stake and burn me publicly, I mean, it would be unheard of. That would cause a revolution. So we are moving in a beautiful direction and we get to trust that everything is right on time, but the fact that we're even having this conversation for me, gives me hope. The fact that the universe is conspired through divine intervention. That we sit down and have this conversation and you've desired to have a conversation with me and that we're talking about a very, very unique experience that only you witnessed. That to me says that there is something bigger at play here in this message is not about me.

AUBREY MARCUS: That's the overwhelming feeling you get when you sit in an Ayahuasca ceremony. You can realize halfway through, and I talked Maestro Orlando about this like halfway through everything can be like, wow, this is the rails are really coming off here. Like we had a fucking party barge show up in our third ceremony and start blaring like strange Macarena level reggaeton off. I like reggaeton but this was not good. This was not like Don Omar's greatest hits? This was not awesome. But nonetheless like after some time you get to know like, oh, this is perfect too. I just don't know why or how. Like this is here for a reason and everything, everything starts to make sense and you see the benevolent hand guiding always these chance encounters, these relationships, these things that happen where you're like, you get a message to do something or something else happens and all of a sudden it all tracks back and you're like, oh wow, we have a lot of support. 

BLU: Yes, yes.

AUBREY: We have a lot of fucking support.

BLU: Oh, and right at the beginning of the ceremony I have pre beads and there's 108 beads on them. And there's a space with the prayer beads that you can move the bead across. And just after I drank the first cup, what I like to do is with every single prayer bead I call in all of my guides but like individually or all the people that I love in my life. And each bead represents a different person. And they come and sit with me and I place my hand on their heart and they place their hand on my heart, in my mind's eye. And I say, I love you. And they say, I love you too. And then I go to the next beat. By the time I'm starting to feel the medicine I have called in an army. I am like, okay, let's go. I could either spend that time going, is medicine killing? I'm not really sure. Is it gonna happen in this kind of static noise energy? 

AUBREY: Yeah. 

BLU: Or I can be in love, love, love, and sending that and activating and calling forth that light army. So as soon as the medicine is starting to move through I'm hitting the ground running and I'm very, very supported and I feel very, very confident in wherever she wants to take me because I feel like how supported I truly am and how I'm not just doing this work. For myself, I'm not just healing myself.  I'm healing seven times, seven times, seven generations back, and seven times, seven times seven generations forward. I'm transmuting this for, as an example, one of the biggest pieces for me in the third ceremony was this dualistic nature of right and wrong. I'm healing this so that when I am raising my child and she bumps herself or she does something that is seen as wrong, I have actually transmitted it out of my system. So I don't give that as my inheritance to her. And this is the future of our planet is our children. And so this work is not about us. It is through us for the collective. And that is humbling because it's so easy to get caught up in, well, this is about me and this is my song and this is how I'm gonna come across, or these are my words. And it's actually recognizing that we are all a voice for liberation, for love. So if a sister is healing, I'm healing. If you are healing, I am healing and there is no separation.

AUBREY: And that from mercy. I am that too. What was your experience sitting with the dragon? 

BLU: Well, I guess in my mind, my expectation of a dragon is that they're ferocious and fierce and scary, powerful. I would say that I wasn't afraid. He wasn't ferocious, he was powerful. And I felt like I was on the same side of the track. And I would definitely want a dragon as an ally. 

AUBREY: No doubt. 

BLU: If chit is really a fan...

AUBREY: A better ally than an enemy.

BLU: What about, alright, dragon, let's go. And that's what it felt like. The power of the dragon undoubtedly. 

AUBREY: Yeah. 

BLU: Sitting in front of him when he blew the cinnamon blessing it went to the core of my being and it felt like a support in my spine that was you're not alone. You're always protected and you are not the only witch around here. And I was like, ah, yeah. He was speaking the language of my soul. And after my blessing would go back and just marinate in the magic of what it actually means to be human. And Sadhguru shared a quote that said, I'm not here teaching others how to be superhuman. I'm teaching others that to be human is super. And just marinating in gratitude. This experience while we are floating on this huge rock hurling through space, held into orbit by a giant ball of fire. If you don't believe in magic, just look at the stars and remember who the fuck you are. That's what it felt like to stay in the presence of the dragon. 

AUBREY: Yep. There was a time where he was blowing on the tips of my fingers and cuz he closes your hands almost like prayer hands. And he blows on the, on the palms and then he blows through the tips. And when he did that, I could feel just dragon scales go all the way up, like my whole arms and, and everything. And it was, there's something about his energy. That in just a way, and I could feel and see him, like his hands, like giant dragons, talons, and you're just sitting there and just power is just effervescent. It's just abundantly flowing through him, but he doesn't need to use it. There's a gentleness to it. It's there for whatever anything might come. 

BLU: Yes. 

AUBREY: It's like, yeah, I'm here, but now I'm with family, we're here healing, I'm with friends. Like, we’re all on the same team. So we won't get to see, we won't get to witness. I pray we won't get to witness actually the dragon in full roar where dragon fire is just billowing out. Like, fuck, I mean, it would be a spectacle. Nonetheless, there's carnage if that's the reality, like astral carnage. But just to be in the presence of a being of that power. In his songs has Icaros, everything that he would do. I mean, he could roll out this fat carpet of medicine. 

BLU: Yeah.

AUBREY: For all of us, there's just like this blanket that we're just in. And it was just stunning. I've been fascinated with Dragon since I was three years old, and then the very first time I had an option, I had an option to sit with three different shamans. The very first time I did medicine, and his name was the Dragon. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna go with him. I could have picked the other two. Most people did. There were like 70 people, like 10 picked the dragon. And I was like, go ahead what is it for me? And that's how I started and now that's where I'm back. And now I realize how deeply our paths are woven. I mean, this was the most profound set of experiences I've ever had. And again, but it also points to what I was saying earlier about this benevolent hand. Like why was I always fascinated with dragons? And now there's a real dragon, a being of this unlimited power that's holding the treasures and secrets of the divine and love, and healing. And now I get to sit at his feet and he gets to put dragon scales on my arms and give me a piece of his cinnamon to bring with me as protection. It's like, fuck, this is amazing. 

BLU: If you had a conversation with a 10-year-old Aubrey, like, look what I'm doing?

AUBREY: Listen, you're gonna sit with a real dragon? I'd be like, whoa, whoa. Really? I was like, yes. And a real witch too. Whoa. Really?

BLU: The 10-year-old little Aubrey is still back. I went, whoa. 

AUBREY: Yeah, there was a moment in the first ceremony where Orlando, he just gave a nice long pause. He's been doing a whole set of Icaros and he settles into this pause and I didn't really know what was going on, but I felt some very strange magical cosmic energy start to swirl through the Moloka. Almost like the Song of the Wind started to come and I could hear it. 

BLU: Was it your first ceremony?

AUBREY: It was the first ceremony. 

BLU: Oh, yes. I know. Yeah.

AUBREY: Yeah. I'm about to get to that. And I was like whoa, what is Orlando doing? What is he moving? The wind. And the wind started moving in a very strange way. And then the wind got stronger and stronger and stronger. And then a tree crashes, snaps, falls down and it's like, whoa, what is going on? Very unusual and all the facilitators, everybody's like, that was a very unusual wind. And I was immediately like, dragons just up with some tricks. And then I talked to the dragon and I was like, so what did you do with the wind? He's like, no, I just take breaks to let people integrate from the music. And I was like, huh. So maybe it was random. And then, I hear your story about what you happened to be doing at the time where the wind picked up and the tree cracked and fell and what were you doing Blu? 

BLU: I might have been playing with the wind a little bit. So this was a really, really, really special, profound experience for me. A little backstory, one of my sisters and other teachers Reggie Riverbear has been teaching me about how to work with the elements. And I also just did Shunya with Sadhguru and got initiated into working with the elements in the morning. So in the morning, I did 40 days of devotion and it was every single day waking up early and evoking the four directions and the four elements. So, it consists of lighting, fire and breathing in the fire and saying mantras into water and then drinking it doing certain breath works and certain holds to evoke the air. There's consecrated earth that little pellets that you eat and I, I've been eating them. And then three times throughout the day I say thank you to the sun and say a prayer to the sun, which is also working with spirit. And I've been doing this in my morning practice and then also working with the elements on my altar. So any space you'll see when it actually is, downstairs in the house in my room, there's an altar set up and all four elements are on the altar. So every space that I'm in, I'm sleeping and I'm working with the element source for the house. And at one point in the ceremony and the medicine we were having a conversation and she was saying, okay, I don't want you to get up with your light. I want you to trust that I'll take you exactly where you're supposed to be beyond your sight. So I was like, okay. So I felt like a very old lady and a newborn baby all wrapped into one. Each footstep was like, eh, like learning to trust and I didn't need to go to the bathroom. But I, but I was going outside and I was like, okay. So I was go walking outside and then I was starting to walk towards the bathroom and then all of a sudden my feet stopped and turned to me, and I was looking at the sky. Then while I was looking at the sky, my arms started doing, I mean, the only reference point I have is Dr. Strange, where the ancient wanderers, like these mudras specific mudras that open up a portal. And while I was doing these mudras and my arms were like the wind came to me and almost felt like it was moving through my body. And when I was going like this, the wind started picking up and getting really, really strong and the specific mudras activated a porthole. What felt like for me to connect deeper with the wind. And I felt like I became the wind and I was consciously, working with the wind in a way that I have never worked with the elements before like this. And I was having a moment where I was like, oh my gosh, I'm storm from Act man, it's happening. Here we're in Costa Rica, I am the wind. No big deal. And then just shortly after that the tree fell down and I just remember sort of like, okay, bring it in, bring it in and giggling to myself and thinking this is again in a moment where I could be like, I could totally be making this up.

AUBREY: Right. 

BLU: This could be oh, Blu’s outside flailing her arms around.

AUBREY: And it coincides with a fucking gnarly little wind gust. 

BLU: Or in my experience, it was very real and I was meeting another level of magic that I've only read in story books or watched in movies. And that's why I use the X-Men reference because it's the only reference point I have to this level of magic. This isn't something I sit with my girlfriend on a winter night watching a movie and be like, oh, yes. So have you been working with that fire? I've been conjuring it up like it’s not something, it's just like a conversation on the rag. However, it was very real, and then it wasn't until the sha circle whenever we were talking about it was like okay, so this is gonna be a nice fresh one for the Journal. 

AUBREY: One of my favorite fantasy novels is the Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss. And it's about training, it's kind of like a more adult version of a Harry Potter story. But it's training young magicians how to access their magic. And one of the codes that a magician can aspire to is naming, it's the naming of the thing. And when you can name it, this is the analogy they use there, but you name the thing and then you could work with the thing because everything has a true name. There's like a true name. And whether you unlock that with your hands or whether you unlock that with a word, or you unlock that with whatever you actually can connect to these things, it's a beautiful story and a beautiful idea. And it's interesting that it was the wind in this case. So when you do connect to the wind, because you can from a geological standpoint, the wind is the difference in the variance between high pressure systems and low pressure systems, and it creates this vacuum and it sucks different things, whatever. I'm sure there's a meteorological explanation for all the wind. Did you connect to the wind as a being, as an entity? What did the wind feel like? Like who is the wind? 

BLU: From my experience, the wind has a consciousness and the wind also supports us with our emotions. And how teaching us that the only thing that's constant is change and to work with the wind to be able to support with the default understanding that changes my friend and the wind speaks through. Have you ever experienced wind where there's a certain smell that just wafts into the space? 

AUBREY: Yes. That's also, I'm starting to realize, like in Ayahuasca. Sorry to interrupt this flow that you're in, but this is very significant for me because there'll be something that'll come through and it'll come through with a scent and I can smell it. And I know it's an, I know now that this is an, this is a being like we're in the presence of a being. 

BLU: Yes.

AUBREY: And sometimes that being will come when I'm on the medicine and it'll be like, I'll get histamines. And I remember the last time I was there in Soltara, I was like, whoa. And I could feel this being, and then I could connect with the being. Then I could see the being and I could smell it. And it was making my eyes water, like I had allergies. And I was like, what are you called? Spring? It was like, what is this? But it was like this massive, massive being.And then I think about it, and even in my waking, like in my waking, not I say waking, but in my normal life, not on medicine at all. There'll be certain moments where there'll be like a sweetness to a smell and I don't know what it is. And other people can't smell it. I'm like, can you smell that?

BLU: Like you? 

AUBREY: Yeah. And then I put that together and then it was like, oh, this is a being. 

BLU: Yes. With messages of our ancestors, with messages of the earth, but not everybody's listening. Most are not and you are learning to listen. And this is one of the greatest gifts we can ever give ourselves because there are so many messages and the wind is always bringing messages. Those sweet smells, those musky smells. They're just specifically in the medicine space, like a perfume, like and no one else is experiencing it. But that was a message for you. And sometimes the wind picks up sometimes quickly and the way that the wind was moving with me was from behind me and then through my arms, as my arms were moving. And that's when it felt like I was given wings to a new level of consciousness. And that was my gift at that moment. Someone else could walk outside and like, I'm bloody out. It's windy outside, wrap their jacket up closer and go to the bathroom. And that's their experience. But we're not all having the same experience and we're not all listening to the same level of the same degree. But it's really fun when you start listening. You've gotta move through a lot of like, oh, I haven't been listening to this, or whoopsies, and you've gotta like, face off with yourself in a very real way. But once you start allowing that to be the default that this is just like you said, I'm here for transformation. I'm here for healing, then that just becomes your devotional path. Then the beauty of listening also is presented. And when you can learn to listen to the earth, she's got some really beautiful things to say.

AUBREY: Yes, indeed. As we wrap this up here, I want to get your opinion on, a lot of us personify Ayahuasca. Some people listening and we're like, why are they calling her a grandmother? Why are they referring to her? What are they talking about? For many of us, I would say the majority of us who work with the medicine long enough, we understand that she is an entity beyond just the pharmacological concoction of the copy vine and the jacana leaves and Viaje whatever else is in there. She's being, even though my relationship has been longer, it's been more sporadic and from your perspective, who is Ayahuasca? What's her nature? Who is she?

BLU: She's the spirit of the earth. It feels like a direct line of communication with Mama Gaia and what she's got to say, and her power and her magnitude, and her conviction and her love and her healing. I'm gonna do no harm, I'm gonna take no shit real time. And she is a consciousness of her own and she teaches us, a reciprocity is necessary to truly heal this planet. We're so good as a collective at taking, we're so good at consuming, we're so good at thinking about our own individual needs and desires and not really listening, but what she's here to bring is recognizing that there's a reciprocity with everything in life, with everything. And if we wanna live a life that's truly infused with gifts and synchronicities and beauty, then we must recognize that giving and receiving is the same energy. And when we receive, we get to give and we create reciprocity. So she's a reminder of that she's the earth speaking through the vines. That speaks into our neuro networks to remind us of our power that comes from within. And when we truly understand that power, it comes with a great responsibility that recognizing that if there's people on this planet that are suffering, we are all suffering to a certain degree. And that interconnectedness allows us to live a life of service, which means a life of magic.

AUBREY: Well said. Would you like to bring us home with the song?

BLU: I'd love to. 

AUBREY: All right. We were gifted with many songs, from yourself and some of the other amazing magicians and musicians that we had in the ceremony. And I hope that some of the recordings we did in there actually come through, cuz it was, it was stunning. It was like all of a sudden. God had a bunch of different vocal chords, tears, I was like, whoa, that's a cool one. Whoa. Oh, you're using the Macca now. That's cool. Oh, you're using the Blu you're using the Vylana

BLU: Yeah.

AUBREY: Fucking you're using the harmonica. Great. This is amazing. 

BLU: Yeah. 

AUBREY: Meanwhile, I'm just whispering an insect on my own mat. Just shaking. Trying to keep it together. 

BLU: It's just a matter of time before we get to hear the divinity using your vocal chords. 

AUBREY: Well, in some ways, I mean, the poetry that came through me is–

BLU: Oh, that's true.

AUBREY: Is the way that it–

BLU: That's true.

AUBREY: Is the way that I think it expresses for me. And surely–

BLU: Please share that poem that you created. 

AUBREY: I will, for sure.  Thank you. 

BLU: That was beautiful. 

AUBREY: Well, yeah, let's bring it home with the song.

BLU: Okay. Perfect.

AUBREY: May we all find our way back home. Blu, where can people find more of you? You have an amazing podcast. I was a guest on it. What else? Do you have Spotify too, right? 

BLU: No, I don't have Spotify yet. I have a SoundCloud, only a couple of songs, 

AUBREY: SoundCloud.

BLU: But the music got reactivated in these last couple of ceremonies, I was excited.

AUBREY: I would say so. 

BLU: But I have a podcast. Yeah. Like you said, Deja Blu podcast. That's on all podcasting platforms. And then I am also on Instagram. My Instagram handle is @BluofEarth…

AUBREY: No E?

BLU: B-L-U of Earth. And you can find everything in my bio there. You can access my website, but I would say that the two main things are the podcast, which is also on YouTube as well as my Instagram handle.

AUBREY: And you oftentimes offer different masterminds and different, I think Caitlyn was a part of one of your last ones, and she's been raving about it so yeah, if you're listening and interested and moved, keep a lookout for that kind of stuff.

BLU: Yes, we have myself and my dear sister, Reggie Riverbear, facilitate a 10-week online program for women, which is basically activating the mysteries in you, from unlocking your DNA, the potential hidden in your DNA through the gene keys. Through working with unlocking our prosperity codes and rewriting our narrative around money to healing the microbiome in our gut and to allow ourselves to create vitality from the inside out to building altars and working with the directions. It's basically a modern mystery score for activating the feminine within us as women and allowing ourselves to create a new default as magic. So we are enrolling for our next realm. We're currently in our second round and we had Caitlyn in the first program and it's pretty life-changing, and we have guest speakers and facilitators and it's one of my favorite offerings to date.

AUBREY: Amazing. Thank you so much, love. I'm with you to the end.

BLU: Thank you, brother. I appreciate you so much. 

AUBREY: Yeah, and thank you everybody for tuning in. Love you guys. Thank you, Max. Thank you, Ryan.