Do you believe that people can access wisdom from interdimensional beings? My default disposition towards anyone claiming to have such non-ordinary abilities is highly skeptical, and I’ve encountered a lot of nonsense. So I base my estimation of legitimacy entirely on the ontological merit of the messages coming through. Paul Selig channels wisdom from what he calls “the guides” or a collection of beings named Melchizedek. The words they share resonate as felt truth within my bones. We drop in today to discuss his newest channeled text,The Kingdom. We get into the stories that keep us small, the recognition of the divine in all things, and I even receive some personal messages from Paul’s guides.

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AUBREY: Paul Selig, it's great to see you, brother. 

PAUL: Thanks. Thanks for having me. 

AUBREY: Yeah, of course. So, you've moved to Hawaii now. You are now living in actual paradise. You are in the kingdom, in Memphis. 

PAUL: I am. I couldn't be happier with it. 

AUBREY: Yeah. It's a special place there for sure. But of course, what we're talking about is the special place that we can create, where we say, no matter where we are in the whole world, behold, I make all things new. And every place becomes our internal Hawaii, because we see it in that kind of lens, which allows us to see the true reality that's all around us that this is heaven, if we allow ourselves to see it in that way. 

PAUL: I would say that that was pretty well said. That's what the Guides are teaching now and that's what the kingdom is about. 

AUBREY: Before we get deeper into the kingdom, I want to go back to the basics, because I've really tried to meditate on one of the basic tenets and teachings of the Guides. And the teaching is, I know who I am in truth, I know what I am in truth, I know how I serve in truth. And I found it very powerful to say that. And then as I was meditating deeply, I was like, wait, I don't necessarily know exactly how to distinguish who I am and what I am in a real clarity. I think I know, but I was making a lot of guesses. So I'd love to go to you, and if the Guides want to step in, and really just explore these one at a time. Who are we? I know who I am. So, who am I? 

PAUL: Well, the claim I know who I am is a claim of true identity. And the Guides say I know who I am in truth. Not sort of the subjective idea of who I am or what the culture we're part of might say we are and how we would be defined by our externals. But the true self, which is, they say, the divine self or the monad, the aspect of the creator that is as you. That is the aspect of you that actually does know who it is and is seeking its expression. So when you claim I know who I am, you're actually in an invocation of that truth. You're reidentifying beyond the temporary to the eternal. So, the claim I know who I am was always a claim of identity. That much I understood when they first brought it through. The other two, I was actually misunderstanding until they unpacked the claims in later books. The claim I know what I am is the claim of manifestation. And anything in their terminology is manifest. So, the manifestation of the body, of experience in this reality is of that. So the I know what I am is the claim of the divine in form. I know what I am is form. So, the what. And when they first started teaching this, I thought, okay, well, that just means like in your life. But actually they're talking about matter here in a whole way. When they started bringing this through in workshops and then unpacking it in, I think it was "The Book of Truth," they began working with it very directly. You could work with a partner and you could say, I know who I am in truth. What I am in truth, how I serve in truth. And then you could say it for another. And we found that when you said it for another, you could actually feel the waves of energy coming back to you from what has been claimed as divine. So the divine as you is claiming the divine as manifest in the other. And then there's a recognition of this that can be felt in the energetic field. So, what is manifest? And the whole kingdom is about manifest as well. And then do you want to go to the third one? Or do you want to—

AUBREY: No. I want to stay there for a little bit because a big aspect of what we're doing is trying to understand “the what” in truth. This is a big part of it because “the what” has also been described as maya the illusion. There's an aspect that's both paradoxically real and not real about the manifest. So I suppose what they're saying then is that this is seeing the matter that we are, but seeing it through the true lens of the divine self, which is why the who comes first. Because in order to see the what, you have to be in the identity of the monad, of the divine self, to see what the matter is beyond the names that have claimed it, and to see it for what it is. So we're talking about a biological animal that's living in this dimensional density and really seeing that as a divine expression. Because as you've said, all is of God or nothing is. So seeing us as a divine emanation at a certain density, at a certain frequency, beyond the labels and nomenclature that we've given it. 

PAUL: Yeah. They've said, and this has always been a challenge for me, but they said early on, if you're denying the divine as your fingertips, or your eyes, or your skin, you're also denying the divine is the ocean and the sky. They say our problem is that we have this paradigm that we've been operating with that if there is a God, it's up in the clouds and we're here in the mud. And they're saying, but God, whatever you want to call God, is also the mud. The Guides say there's one note playing in the entire universe, one tone. And everything is an articulation of that one tone. So, the whole symphony of reality is actually a manifestation of that one sound. So, they say, we're reclaiming what we see as of God. They're not denying the matter. They're actually inviting us to reknow it and resee it. When they get into the newer teachings, they're really going there. They've been sort of deconstructing reality for us, I think, in many of the books. They'll say, the tree was once a seed, and the tree may one day be a chair that you're sitting in, and one day may be burnt in a fire and maybe smoke. It's the same thing in different levels of reality, different ways of being known. So they say that we're operating in an octave inclusive of physical form, the form that we know and that we're all sharing in this sort of shared template of reality, they say is an octave of tone and sound. And what they're doing with us, if I understand it, is lifting us to the octave above. But you really can't do that if you're assuming that the body can't go too, which simply means the level of resonance that's held in vibration in the form. So, you can't deny the holiness of form and expect to experience it in all things. 

AUBREY: It seems like an invitation to really leave the judgments that we've held behind in many ways. The thing that's keeping anything from being recognized as the divine is a judgment that it's not divine. 

PAUL: That's right. 

AUBREY: This seems to be the heart of delusion. And this seems to be where everything has gotten turned upside down. There was a post, recently, of a very beautiful and powerful medicine woman. And she was expressing her ability to access these different spiritual planes. And it's just a lovely conversation. But a very religious person claimed that this was an expression of the devil, et cetera, that whole paradigm. And really what I replied was, well, when love expressed is the devil and God is judgment, you've got the thing backwards. You've really got the thing backwards. And that's really the way that a lot of the capital, our religion, has looked. It's all a judgment-based system. And then even if it's love, that doesn't matter because it's not in the system. When really, it's the opposite. It's the judgment itself that is the work, I mean, I don't ascribe to devil ideology of any sort. But if you were going to use that name, it is the judgment itself. It's not the love and the recognition of the divinity of things. 

PAUL: I agree completely. They say that we're on a boat that's been upside down for so long, we've been capsized underwater for so long that we think we're right side up. And what's actually beginning to happen now is that the boat is being righted. So, everything has sort of fallen all over the place. But we don't know that we've been operating at this level of separation because it's what we've been born into. So the Guides say that the only real problem humanity faces is the inherent denial of the divine. That's it. That's really the problem. How we deny the implicit holiness in what's before us. That doesn't mean that we agree with what people do, or we have to share their politics or their practices or anything like that. But it really is, what is the substance that unifies all things? And when you begin to operate at that level, you have a very, very different experience of being. But you can't operate at that level if you're judging. So, you've heard this before, but the Guides say, who you put in darkness and what you put in darkness calls you to the darkness. In other words, what you judge or what you damn damns you back. And that's a teaching of reciprocity and vibrational co-resonance. It's nothing more than that. They've said often, you can't lift, what they call the evil man up to the upper room, which is the higher state of consciousness, because you have made him evil. And until you realize that level of co-resonance, nothing changes. So, this is supposedly, according to the Guides, the big last hurrah for fear. And separation, our belief that we're separate from one another and separate from our source, they say is the action of fear. The action of fear is to claim more fear. Something that they said in the book that hasn't come out yet, which I thought was really interesting, which I had never heard before, they said, fear actually doesn't ascend. Fear is stuck. It's not that bright. So, fear really can't go higher. All it can sort of do is replicate itself like a cancer at its own level. And they've said many times, the action of fear is to claim more fear. Look at every choice you make in fear and see what it got you. More than likely, it's more of the same. They make a big distinction between fear and prudence. Prudence is, it's raining. Best to have an umbrella. You're not fearful of the rain. You're being protective of yourself and your wellbeing. So, this is how I understand it now. And I think it's really kind of accurate because I've had these experiences of being in this place. And they lift you to the upper room. They'll do this in classes, they'll do this through the books. And then they'll say, what are you afraid of? And at that level, there's really no fear. Just the big trip. Then suddenly, your choices change. 

AUBREY: Yeah. There's two things that come up when we're talking about this. One is, right now we're in a culture that is trying to lift people to, their overt intention, their claimed intention is that they're trying to lift people to a higher morality. But all they're doing is damning them. We're in this cancel culture, where the way that you get somebody to change is you accuse them, damn them, tell them that they're evil, they're malicious, they don't care about society, they're insensitive, they're all of this, you damn them, you cancel them, you attack them. And there's this belief, this pervasive belief that that's actually what's going to create some positive difference. But it's certainly not. It's not working in the practicum. We're just seeing more of the same. And it can never work. 

PAUL: In "The Book of Truth," and this is about six years ago, maybe they dictated this or so. It was before two presidential elections ago, so that should place it in time. And they said, they've been saying since the first book, humanity is at a time of reckoning. And a reckoning is the facing of the self and all of one's creations. What they said in "The Book of Truth" is we're about to enter a period where everything that's been buried is going to be brought to light. They said it's going to be like living with your backyard as an archeological dig. It's a mess. And what was buried 5 days ago, and 5,000 years ago, everything is coming up. But the Guides have said it's coming up to be seen so that it can be reknown. It's not coming up to be damned, and shamed, and destroyed because then you're sort of operating in an antagonistic way and the Guides say, nothing gets healed until it's brought to the light. I mean, we've done this culturally probably for a very long time. They used to burn the witches, hang the villain in the town square and everybody would get to feel vindicated for five minutes as if the evil had been eradicated, but it never was. So the idea of change coming through that, I think, would be probably a temporary fix at best. The Guides say that we've lived in a world with war forever and so we expect it. And that we're going to have it and probably, if we don't change our minds about this, pay a hard price for that until we can move to a consciousness when war is not a possibility, when we're not seeking to attack and destroy. And I think that's true. In the very first book, "I Am the Word" was dictated over two weeks in 2009, I think, and wasn't expected. And they talked about where we were going. It's an oddly prescient book. I mean, they really are sort of laying out the times, I think, that we're in and have been systemically through the books. They actually said, before all the crap hit the fan last March or so, in a livestream, I think it was, that the shit was about to hit the fan. And I said, please just don't let me be in New York City when it happens. I was living downtown when 9/11 happened. I was there for the AIDS epidemic, and everybody was dying. It was a train wreck. And I said, just let me be someplace pretty. And I was actually in Costa Rica when New York City shut down and I never went home. It's still funny. But I moved to Hawaii. But it's a strange thing. So, they've been on target with these things. I agree with what you're saying and it's a very simple idea. What you damn, or who you damn damns you back. That's not pointing fingers, that's about co-resonance. Who you put in darkness calls you to the darkness. And we have choices here. If we think that that's the way to fix things, I think we're going to have a very hard time. It's not that people don't need to be held accountable for what they do, but I think it's the mindset behind it. If the mindset is attacked, I think we're probably going to perpetuate the attack. That's just my sense. 

AUBREY: It seems that the way to an essential aspect of transcending this mental construct that we're in and this belief system that we're in is we have to recognize our shared humanity, we have to collapse the myth of separation, and we have to understand that we are all of the same source. And we have to deeply, deeply know that. Not just think, oh, yeah, of course, we're all of the same source, we were once a big bang, which was pure quantum potentiality in the size of a thumbnail, and now we're all here. So, I guess we have some shared. Sometimes it is a little bit helpful to think about it, but we have to feel it. We have to really feel and understand, hey, no matter who that is, no matter who your villain is, maybe it's Trump on one side is your villain or maybe it's Anthony Fauci on another side, or Biden, whoever, whatever your belief system is, we are them too. Tat Tvam Asi. We are that being too. And until we recognize that, it's going to be difficult to actually elevate to the level of consciousness where we're not trying to fight the other. 

PAUL: Yeah, I agree completely. And that's the challenge of the time. And I think it's the opportunity of the time. When the Guides talk about navigating this period that we all seem to be in, they've talked about it as sort of a huge wave, a tidal wave of change. And they say the highest way to deal with this is to ride the wave, and to let it carry you to a new place. It's not what we're doing. Instead, we're trying to hang on to the blender in the kitchen that's floating right by us, and the wheel of the car, and all of the things that we've known in this belief, that we get to go back to a way of being that perhaps wasn't working anyway. I think what we're doing now is we're seeing what hasn't been working in many ways and we're having to try to work with that as best we can. And it's deeply challenging. I am not a fan of change. If I like a restaurant, I'll probably go to it for the rest of my life. I won't try the new place that opened two doors down from it. It's who I am. The fact that I left Manhattan, which is a place that I was born in and I thought I would always live in and wound up someplace which makes absolutely no sense for me whatsoever, has been an enormous lesson for me because my life has greatly improved. But I wouldn't have chosen this because I wouldn't have known that it was a possibility. I wouldn't. Because all I know, the Guides say that the small self, which is the personality structure, it's not wrong, it's just limited. The small self knows itself through history, and we all know ourselves through history, and we end up replicating the history. I was a chubby bullied kid. That was my reality. I can recreate that anytime I want but it doesn't get me anything. It's the world that I knew. And I think we're always recreating our ideas. And understand, I said ideas of who we are. And this is true personally and collectively. In "I Am the word," the first book, the guide said it was the only time they've ever talked directly about a current event in a book. They really don't go there for the most part. But they said that 9/11 was an opportunity for us to resee our role in the world as a model for great change and that we didn't take it that way. We moved back into our old stance of conqueror. And they said, if we try to maintain that stance in the coming years, we wouldn't survive as a country in the way that we wished. We needed a model change. And I think that that's true. I think that the changes are happening at the level of the individual and at the collective at the same time. And if we don't deal with our own inner stuff, we're going to continue to see it pictured around us as well. 

AUBREY: Yeah. When I'm looking out at, and we'll get into a little bit more of the philosophy behind how I serve. But in understanding that and how to serve, understanding that the necessary prerequisite for this evolution slash revolution of consciousness requires the collapse of the myth of separation, the recognition of a state of interbeing amongst us. The Guides and yourself, you lay it out impeccably. But it's difficult for people to receive it just in words. And I know that there's ways in which the affirmations can help lift and if someone's willing to sit in on a workshop with you and give it that time. But as we look out at the world, and maybe this is an issue with the myth of scale, this believing that we have to affect so many people for it to matter and not trusting that if we do it individually in the collective, it's making a large impact. And I'm very open to that, that changing the morphic resonance field that the monk that's on the mountaintop that reaches a state of Samadhi, where they actually recognize himself truly as the divine being, that that makes an impact. But it feels like from a practical, put my hard hat on, let's go to work type of thing, how do you or the Guides recommend creating change to help people really recognize this shared humanity that we all have? How can we go out into these places where everything is increasingly polarized? How do we help this mission in the most productive way?

PAUL: I have thoughts about it. I'm probably going to go to them. And it's early for me here. It's morning in Hawaii. We'll see if I can channel my second cup of coffee. But we'll see what we get, the idea of who you are. They're saying the idea of who you are and what you are, and what you are is actually imperative to understand so it was the perfect introduction. The idea of separation is based in a belief that you are not worthy. If you are not worthy of the divine, how could the one beside you be? To rectify this, first and foremost requires a self-awareness, that you're of the whole. Underline word of, which means participatory. The divine being you truly are is already in a reconciled state, not only with its source, but all the creations of source. The amplification of the divine self, the recognition of it and realization of it is the work that we teach. When you're operating at this level of vibration, you become a conductor for the higher field. And in fact, what you encounter is actually moved or lifted or changed by the nature of presence in co-resonance. How you act upon this, how you change the world in your mind and language would be rather different. You think the work is all done with your hands, but it is not. Your hands may be called to work but you cannot move this with blunt force. It will resist and fight. Nobody wants to be wakened from their bed of sleep by being kicked out of it. But the slumbering one will waken as more awaken. Now when you do understand that you're as your brother, as your sister, that you are of the same source, and you move to the innate divinity that must be present there, you act in accord with that. You don't kill what you know to be holy, nor do you damn the one who is learning her lessons in a hard way. You comprehend the learning, you support the awakening as you can. To make others wrong, simply perpetuates separation. To go to truth, eternal truth, the divine as who and what will claim service in the highest way available to the individual. Underline the word individual. As long as you're operating in separation, you'll be operating in a kind of autonomy. We move our students to the idea of pluralization, or of the whole, where your acts matter, not just for self but for all. You will see in time, that that is how a world is made new. But it cannot be made new, if you're denying the divine in anyone. Period, and they're saying period. 

AUBREY: That's so valuable. That expression of this will not be done with the hands. It's such a beautiful way to think about it because it's so much, we're so in the paradigm of oh, yeah, we got to do something. We want to move something, we want to change something, we gotta do something. I got to type this thing out. I got to move my feet over to this place. I got to say this thing in the right way with my mouth. But really what this is a reminder of which is, of course, something that also I know but need to be constantly reminded of, the world will be made new when I actually step into the new world truly itself. And then seeing the world in that different way is the invitation. And that invitation will be, it'll be holistic. It'll be almost interdimensional where it's like it's happening in ways that are far beyond the words that I'm using, far beyond the actions that I'm taking. It's going to be an actual invitation to the octave that I'm at. An invitation for resonance. It's kind of a law of the universe. Things try to find resonance with themselves, like attracts like. So the way to do this is to actually deeply establish the resonance, deeply establish the resonance, and then just kind of, it feels like to me like, okay, just establish the resonance, be it for real. Not just talk about it and kind of know it. Be it for real, and then just be present and be seen and be felt in whatever way that takes form. See the world in that way. And invite people to join in the resonance. It seems like a clear mission directive. 

PAUL: I think that's how it happens. And I think it doesn't happen. When I was in my 20s and I was out of grad school, some of my first jobs were in the New York City public school system. They used to send me off to schools to set up an arts program. And I would go to these schools, and it would look like war zones. It was back when the South Bronx had been leveled. And I met these teachers that were there in these classrooms that were the most, I thought these were like enlightened beings. I couldn't believe that they were operating from tremendous love, tremendous devotion. They were active in the world. They were acting on their beliefs. But they probably wouldn't know what a chakra was to save their life, nor did they need to. They were sort of living their mission. When I understand what the Guides teach, they say that when you work with their stuff, you sort of become a doorway to the higher. You're sort of serving by being. But that doesn't exclude action in the world. The difference, I suspect, the action in the world is prompted by knowing, true knowing, not what I think should happen or what my neighbors are saying should happen. It's coming from a very different place. Now my experience of the Guides' work is that none of it's terribly convenient really. It's not the easy way. I think it's the path of the mystic, I think, when I try to sort of give it some frame. But I've given up on that, because they're saying this is for everybody, because we all have the innate capacity to do this. The doing of it, I think, is the process of realization. As you say, once you align at the higher level, how you invoke a world, or how you perceive a world into being is part of a larger sort of alchemical act of lifting what you encounter. It's this idea that God sees God and all of its creations, and what is seen at that level is altered. And so the idea that those that you are working with are altered, in a highway, you're not fixing them, you're re-knowing them as they truly are beyond the mask worn, beyond the old agenda, beyond the old terrible pain, which is the reason for so much outrage. All the terrible pain that we've never dealt with, personally and collectively. All that stuff is up now. It's up to be seen, and hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, to be healed. 

AUBREY: There's an interesting belief that I've tracked in myself, which is that if I was to, and I'm not saying that I can, and I'm certainly not saying that I'm special, but if anyone, let's just say instead of just using me and I'm participating in this anyone, if anyone actually really does this, like really, really abides completely in the upper room as the metaphor is used in the Christ consciousness, well, look what happened to Christ. There's this ancestral fear that at that point of resonance, the resonance is almost, even though it's the softest invitation, it's almost violent to people, because it's such a strong pull that those in resistance to that, because there always will be, they'll be drawn so strongly towards that invitation that some will become violent, and the spears will come for the ribs. It's a very interesting, deeply embedded ancestral fear. Maybe it's my Jewish ancestry, maybe it's a universal thing. I don't know. And I suppose the Guides talk a lot about fear in this place, in the book, "The Kingdom," in general in all the books. But it's interesting for me to feel that fear of like, it just feels like an aspect of something that's a hindrance for me really going for it. I'm like, well, fuck. I don't want to go all the way. I don't want to be that much different. I'm going to get shot. 

PAUL: I don't know if it's about being that much different. I think it's about being truly who you are. And I think at that level, there's the idea of almost becoming unarmored because you don't require it. And I share this stuff, believe me, I mean, from the beginning of it. I was a college teacher for 25 years. I was quite happy sitting in a classroom with nobody knowing who I was and what I did. That was okay for me. And becoming public with the work that I do has always been a challenge. And each step has been that challenge. Is it safe to show up in this fashion? But I suspect we do it anyway. So, I think what you're talking about is, in some ways, sort of an archetypal fear that we hold on when we're on this journey. And I think that that's probably true for anyone. Let me ask about it because I'm curious. Because you brought it up. It's less about what Aubrey's fear is. They're saying it's less about what Aubrey's fear is than a cultural belief in persecution. And if you become visible, you will be damned by the mob. Some of this is collective conscious, and need to punish, and need to disown what has been owned. You're actually moving beyond this as a culture. There are steps ahead as this moves. But finally, you realize the folly of destruction. When one claims herself a martyr or he identifies himself through martyrdom, you have a guarantee of difficulty. But if you understand that this was a way of being known, that is no longer required, that you can align to the true source without execution, you will find yourself in a happier state. In a lot of ways, the model of release of the personality structure as the basis identity is the terror you truly face. You still have your personality. It is very useful at a party to say hello, my name is. But when you truly know who you are, the personality is simply what is used in negotiation. It is not who you are nor is it the perceiver of your reality. 

AUBREY: Yeah. I think that's really right. It feels like this is an old belief. This is an old thing that is also meant to be reknown. It was part of a different time, a time when witches were burned. I mean, I just had a beautiful podcast with someone who you could call a witch now. This is the same medicine woman who I mentioned. Her name's Blu. One of the most beautiful, loving people. But no doubt in the 1600s, in a Swiss village, she was on the pyre. But it's different now. The ideas of the old structures are releasing. And hell, to even be worried about something that's, it's so difficult to even move in a slightly octave up higher. To worry about this ultimate thing is also kind of, it's grandiose and a little bit crazy to be even worried about something that far down the path. But also to just have that comfort that no, it's okay. Wherever this ends up, we're in a different time. And to really trust the time, trust the divine. There's a great thing that you said about fear in the book the guide said. To know the self in fear is to know the self in separation. So part of all of this fear is still borne in my own separation. And I'm separate from the mob, I'm separate from others, there's somehow a difference. And me seeing the difference actually creates, in some way, the vulnerability of the other attacking me. It's almost like I have to, and anybody on this path, has to just transcend, truly, the idea of separation. And with it, you'll transcend the fears that have been collectivized from times past. 

PAUL: I don't know. I suspect that you're right here. I don't have any desire to choose to take this one on at the level of a person. Let me get over my fear of this. But basically, I think it's happening at a soul level and the things, when you start working with this stuff, and they talk about the divine self and expression and they bring you to this level of vibration, they say that the divine self or the monad, or the Christ, they call it different things, seeks reclamation of all things, all aspects of self that have been disavowed or disallowed or feared. So, it's this idea that if you've got a body buried in the basement, and if that's your fear of the mob, or whatever it is, eventually, it's going to be exhumed or it's going to stink up the whole house. You can't just keep it there. So, these things are addressed, I think, as we progress. And I think hopefully, as we can handle, I don't know that we need to experience them out in 3D reality. When I was about 31 or something, I did jury duty for the first time. And I was very proud to do my civic duty. And I had terrible anxiety in the courtroom. Every day, I was having a panic attack. I'm going, what is going on here? I'm not on trial. And I was meditating in those days diligently. And I started hearing a name in my head. It was Mirin Delo. And I thought, it sounds like an Italian restaurant, I'm thinking. What the hell is this? And then I heard, look it up. This was pre-internet, so I had to find it in an encyclopedia. And it was this guy who was on trial before the Inquisition for about seven years, who wrote a book on the universality of all religions? And I say, well, that's the memory. That's the stuff. But it doesn't mean that it got better. What got really interesting was when the internet showed up later than that, and I looked the guy's name up, the paintings were people that I dreamt about. So it was like, really kind of an interesting time. It was this monk, talk about a hard time. Savonarola, who was burned in the town square of Florence. So messy times are beyond us. I don't know. My friends keep saying, they don't burn witches anymore in the town square. And I saw what they do in some countries, unfortunately. But I think that if you want to trust this stuff enough to go on this journey, you have to trust that you're going to be protected on your journey. I'm odd in that I'm visible out of necessity for this work. If I could hide behind the couch, I'd probably be doing it. I live in the rainforest now. It's very private. But that's how I'm built. I'm an introvert. I don't like a lot of focus. But I'm here to do the work that I'm doing, as are you, as is everybody. And I think work shows up in very different ways, and it's not about being special. It's just about showing up. 

AUBREY: Yeah. I think what's really happening is that my small self is very clever. My small self is very clever and very tenacious. And it wants to maintain purview over this divine being. It really likes the control, it likes the helm, it's been mostly at the helm for most of my life, other than peak experiences and moments where I've really accessed the monad within. So much of my growth and so much gratitude for those moments that I've had. But the majority of my life, let's be real, it's been the small self in the drivership. And so if it can access a rational fear, a fear that through my mind says, ah, well, that makes sense. Better, stay small. Better stay in the small self. It'll just trigger that and then it'll blow it up out of proportion. But what we're really dealing with here is just basic resistance and a clever small self that wants to maintain purview and will use rational, what I call, quote, rational fears, to keep itself in charge. And that's probably really what's happening. 

PAUL: Probably, yeah. That sounds right to me. 

AUBREY: This is the thing about, I think the small self, the personality self. In a former podcast, and this has been so valuable for me is, I asked the Guides whether the small self could be considered like an entity? Because an entity has a prerogative to survive and an entity has a prerogative to be dominant. And there's lots of things that we know about, like an animal or an entity. And thinking of the small self, this is a being. This is a being and the being wants to, it wants to exist, it wants to live, it wants to be in control. It has its own nature. And it's willing to be clever. It's willing to be clever in order to do that. And it doesn't mean that we damn it. Certainly not. This is an important aspect. But this is where, kind of, braiding it together and really incorporating it, but also being aware of its cleverness and its desire to maintain control. It's very essential for navigating the multiplicity of self that we have. 

PAUL: I've gotten a little bit better over time at having a part of myself that observes all my gyrations and mechanisms and terrors. And even while they're going on, a part of me is going, well, this is interesting. And what's the lesson here? I mean, I do get it, at this point in my life. That if I'm triggered by something, it means that I have work to do. And it doesn't mean that I want to choose hardship as a way of learning. The Guides have said, we've looked at fear as our teacher and there are better teachers to have. There are better ways to learn than terror. You can learn not to pick up the stove, the pot on the stove with your bare hands by burning yourself or you can learn in some other way. So, I don't know. I feel buoyed when the Guides say things like, the personality self is assumed in the higher. It's of you, it's of the whole consequently. One of the very first things I heard, I may have said this to you once before, when I was really young and suffering, and I was just opening up as a clairaudient. And was pretty much saying, help, what happens? And I heard, freedom will come when the throne relinquishes its king. And I didn't understand it. I'm 99% sure that I heard it clearly because I wrote it down and stuck it in a book. I didn't know what to do with it. And I understand it now who sits on the throne. The small self, the Guides say, rules a small kingdom. And that's the kingdom that has everything, has to be conducted appropriately, and the way I think it shouldn't be in order to keep me safe and get my needs met as I decide they should be met. The true self or the divine self, that aspect of who we are, when that takes the throne, you have a whole different experience of being. And that really is the kingdom. The Guides say the kingdom is the realization of the inherent divine and manifestation. It's the seeing and the knowing of the divine that's always been there but has been masked from us through our own alignment to separation or the denial of the divine that we've been indoctrinated in. They've said, it's like we're born into a pool that somebody already peed in and we don't know the difference. You know what I mean? That's just the fear here. We're born, we're taught to be afraid. We go, okay, I'll be afraid. And there's another way of being. This is what they teach. I have to trust them at this point. They've done, it's now 10 books over like, 11 years. And they're all spoken, they don't require editing. I just can't do that. Something has happened here, and I have to trust it enough. And so, I continue with it. 

AUBREY: Yeah. I think there can be a lot of frustration for people who see our leaders, and I use that word lightly, and they seem very, very much as if the small king is sitting on the throne. Very divisive, very much claiming a small kingdom over a large purview. And very realistically large, pragmatically large with number of people and influence. But really, ultimately, we can complain about that all we want, but we're electing them. We're electing them. Which means that our small kings are finding another small king that speaks to and has resonance with our own small kings and queens. So, if we want that to change, we gotta, actually, change out the monarch that lives inside us. 

PAUL: I agree. I think that these are our creations. The Guides have said, I'm not a good new age, I never have been. I have very little patience with a lot of stuff. But then I'd say that everything we see and experience, we're in co-resonance with. Everything that we see, we're in alignment to, we're in vibrational accord. And they would say A-C-C-O-R-D, or A C-H-O-R-D is on a piano. The attunements, by the way, are like musical notes played in a chord, that shift the alignment and consequently, the agreement, or the level of co-resonance that you begin to operate in. So, the Guides say everything that you're in accord with, you're shaking hands with, you hold. So everything we see, we're in alignment to. It doesn't mean we want it to be there, that we chose it consciously. It means that this is how we're operating energetically. So the key, quite simply, is to stop shaking hands with it, stop confirming it, and then you can reach for the higher. You can't do it when your focus is on the thing that you don't want. Then you're just confirming the negativity, or the outrage, or whatever the frustration is. It's a challenging teaching but I get it. And it's sort of, I guess, in some ways, the essence of how a world is made new, as they teach it. It doesn't get fixed by taking a hammer to it. It actually gets fixed by rising above the old and then allowing what no longer is serving you to be moved away so then it can be claimed. And that's my hope. 

AUBREY: Yeah. Speaking of ways to learn, as you've said and the Guides have said, we've learned through fear for so much of our life. And I think I'm participating in that completely. And another way that I've really begun to learn is through love in my union with my wife, Vylana. And I think this is something, and I'd love it if the Guides have anything to say about it. But if we're trying to deepen our union with source, having a specific emanation and articulation of that source that we can form union with and just focus on that one thing, because it's very difficult to find the union with the abstract. But if we can condense that into like, oh, this is just my part. I'm going to practice here. I know it's everything but I'm going to practice completely merging in union with my partner. 

PAUL: I hear it's only one way. You can learn through this or anything. You can love a tree and love God. You can love God, you can love the earth, you can love a romantic partner or a child, or a parent, which you can love. You may choose the object of love and know God through that act. It's God who loves through you. It is not the personality itself that does not love. It may have adoration or desire but the personality structure, which knows itself through separation is not who loves. God loves through the self and reclaims the self as it loves. It doesn't really matter who or what as long as the act is done in love. 

AUBREY: Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Some may just be easier. Some pathways, some doorways may be easier for an individual. It may be easier to love your dog. Or it may be easier to love nature, if you're into nature. It may be easier to love your partner, it may be easier to love your parents. But it feels like it's okay. Whatever way that you can form true union and rise in love, use that way. Utilize that that's available to you immediately as a springboard to get you to the universal. 

PAUL: I guess. I'm trying to think of my own life with this. I think I had to learn how to love in some way or learn that it was safe to do that. I don't think I was raised with an understanding of that. But when I taught, I used to say that my years teaching college, well, that was my spiritual practice for those years. I loved those kids. They were good kids. And I learned to show up anyway, as my best self and address their potential, which was my job and it's what I did. And it was a good thing. It's funny, here on Maui, I sort of was welcomed by the community that was built around Ram Dass, the teacher who used to live here. And I'm seeing people who love genuinely and easily, and I'm being wonderfully changed by that, too. You can't be changed by that when you encounter it. And I think it doesn't really matter how it shows up, as long as it shows up. 

AUBREY: Have the Guides ever spoken about Ram Dass himself? Do they do this type of thing? Because I would love to hear their opinion, because he seems like one of these genuine ascended masters that have existed in our epoch. 

PAUL: I never knew the man. I had read one of his books when I was younger and when I was reading a lot of stuff. And it's very funny that although I never met him, he's become an important figure in my life posthumously. So yes, they spoke about him once because I did a benefit for him on Maui. And they acknowledged his gifts and his teachings, which surprised me that they would do that. I didn't know that they knew. But when I was at the house, people invited me to step in, you've seen me do this, but I can step into people and sort of become them. And I primarily only work with the living, but I was able to access at that level. And it was extraordinary for me, truthfully. So I hold in great esteem and am grateful to know some of the people who loved him. 

AUBREY: What did that feel like for you? Because when you step in you, you feel. It's not just you think. You get to feel a bit of the emanation, a bit of the intonation of that individual. 

PAUL: It's hard to describe and I'm a little uncomfortable describing it. 

AUBREY: I see that. 

PAUL: It's somebody else's experience. When I tuned into him, I felt this tremendous curiosity, tremendous curiosity and an awareness. I still felt like a person. I also tuned into his guru and that was just like, kaboom! That was like, what the heck? But I forget that I do this. And I wouldn't have done this unless I was asked truthfully. And I hope nobody's offended that I'm talking about this, because I don't do that. But as long as somebody's got a body, I can usually get them. I'm not a spiritual medium. I don't talk to the dead. But what I often can do, which I forget, because I don't try is go to people that have lived and I can feel them as they were when they had the body because time doesn't really exist at that level. And that's really interesting. But I don't necessarily hear them when they don't have the body. If I was tuning into your sister, I could probably feel your sister and hear her too. She’s the audience. 

AUBREY: And you've done that? 

PAUL: No, but I'm a radio. That's how I look at myself. So, I don't know. I just feel like, yeah, I think he was a great teacher. He says things that the Guides say and I think he says them much better. And I'm going, well, that was great. And I have paragraph, it took them two books. So, I admire him. 

AUBREY: It's all of the different ways to point to these universal truths. That which is true is always true, a big teaching of the Guides. And just many poetic ways to express it. And part of who he was, was a poet. Some of his work is deeply poetic, even if it's coming out as prose. And I think that's beautiful. Same with Rumi. Rumi, he had a poetic, part of his nature was as a poet, but his expression is very similar. I want to go back to the relationship aspect of things. We've talked about sex before on the podcast. And one of the things that has started to become a part of my exploratory path, part of my own curiosity was, you look back at mystical texts of a variety of different sources, mystical Daoism, mystical Tantra, the sutras, and different things about how sexual energy can be utilized as an energetic force. As a force of energy for healing, for creating additional union, for spiritual access. Have the Guides ever talked about it? Or are they interested in talking about now, the utilization of sexual energy as a force? As a force for some productive means. 

PAUL: No, they haven't yet. In the book that they just finished dictating, there actually is a whole lecture on sex, which surprised all of us because it seemed to come out of the blue. But they were talking about the parts of ourselves that have been dispossessed, or repressed, or denied, or held in fear and shame. And so they really brought sex to the forefront because so many, we're very puritanical, at least in this culture in a lot of ways. But they were talking about the integration of those parts of ourselves into the wholeness. I don't know that they know what Tantra is. Occasionally, somebody will ask them something that I think that they're not going to talk about and they go, yes, we'll discuss that. But they haven't talked about the energy of sexual expression, other than it's just all God. It's all God. I haven't heard of them. And maybe one day, they will. There's two more books in this next trilogy. So, I expect they'll cover more territory than I know. 

AUBREY: Yeah. It is kind of part of a general theme that I haven't seen them talk much about, which is also chi, also prana. And in some ways you utilize it. Like I've seen you use your hands in different mudras, in different movements which is really accessing kind of like an energetic stratum. But they don't talk about it all that often. As far as how to work in this reality, artists using this as energy to kind of paint with. 

PAUL: Well, I don't know that it's part of their teaching, probably. I think that they're pretty singular in their way of working. People come to me and they want to know who, tell me about all my past lives. I don't do that. I want to talk to my dead mother. I don't do that. What do the Guides say about where I should live? I say, they don't care. That's not what they're here for. They're here to teach. And their teaching has been singular. They brought through a couple of mudras in their teachings, which had been ways of specifically working with energy, but they don't rely on them. And they don't tell people what to do, which I'm grateful for. They teach you how to access your own knowing. You see, when they talk about manifestation, which they're doing now more and more but in a different way than I think people probably want to hear, they're not talking about how to get the perfect lover, or the better this or that. And they say so much of what we want is actually what we've been told or taught to want and desire in our culture. So I should look a certain way, I should have so much in the bank, I shouldn't be seen this way in my community, and everybody's aspiring to that stuff. And the question really is why? And these are things that can be experienced, there's nothing wrong with having a partner and a great place to live, and all those things. They can be had and experienced, but that's not really the purpose. So they're talking about aligning to this place they call the upper room, which is a level of consciousness and vibration. And then moving into a place of receptivity where you become the recipient of what you require. And my experience of this has been pretty amazing. The areas where I'm still saying where's my partner? Where's the this? Where's the that? Those are the areas that I'm not flowing in. But the areas that I've basically said okay, here I am and let it be what it is, flow really well and beyond what I would have chosen. I never would have put myself where I am now. It wasn't on my list. It wasn't on my map. It made no sense at all, and really was beyond what I could have chosen. It knew better. And that idea that God, whatever you want to call God, knows what we want before we demand it or ask for it. I think we can ask, I think there's nothing wrong with that. And I think we can claim. There's nothing wrong with claiming. They say, if it exists, it can be chosen. But why do you want it? The Guides used to say, there's nothing wrong with a house on the hills. Somebody gets to live there. But why do you want it? And if you want it to be the envy of your neighbors, you're creating in fear. And I believe that that's true. So, you can have any experience but why? So, this is about working with energy in a different way. It's all about becoming the conduit for energy. And it's all about reseeing what's already true, not what you want it to be. And I think that's the challenge. That's probably why I'll never be channeling on a cruise ship. I'm not telling people what they can have, I'm telling people what I hear. And what I hear is that it's available, but it needs to be aligned to and received.

AUBREY: A lot of what is coming through in this latest book, "The Kingdom" is and so it is, or God is, God is, God is. It's this deep acceptance and it's like a deep loving acceptance and a trust that what is happening is of God too. And even looking forward to the future, the unknown itself. Like, if everything is God, the unknown is God too. So faith is to see God in the unknown, which I thought was really beautiful. It's just this deep trust and acceptance and faith for that which hasn't happened yet. No doubt that radically changes your internal experience, which is the arrival and the manifestation of the kingdom. Because it doesn't matter. You can be in paradise but still be in hell. I mean, so many wealthy people commit suicide. The only time you commit suicide is if you're completely hopeless and in hell. Well, I wouldn't say the only time. Probably there's other reasons. But that's a big significant aspect of that. And so, it's not about the external. But what these teachings are doing, is they're guiding us to the internal kingdom, the real kingdom because it's not linked to the external world. Of course, yes, if you're being tortured or tormented, or in abject poverty, that has an influence, I'm not denying that. But so much of our experience is internal rather than external. And this is the manifestation of the internal. 

PAUL: Yeah. Yeah, it is. I'm learning to trust it through engaging with it. I used to say that I wasn't the best student for the work. I'm really the radio and I'm there to take the dictation. I'm the stenographer to the Guides. I'm somebody who does the work as best he can. At the end of God, like "The Book of Freedom," the Guide said, everybody comes across this threshold, there's a whole new life waiting for you. And they said, Paul, you get to come too. And up to that point, I'd been told that my job was to hold the door open for others, which really sucked. I was like, what? I'm the doorman for everybody. But what they were taking me to was, all of us, was to this new, the upper room, this whole new way of being was potential that we could realize. And I realized then that holding the door meant holding the space for the books to come through. The books are the doorway. I was just holding the doorway. And that's what I do. I don't know. I'm not without fear. God knows, I still have much work, I would say, to do. But it's a different experience of it than I'd had in the past. It's not as heavy and it's not as hard. 

AUBREY: Yeah. That's a beautiful recognition. The Guides talk about, to switch gears slightly, the Guides talk about that we've come to similar points in our collective history before. So I'm wondering if there's any wisdom, because potentially, it wasn't the societies that have come before us, it wasn't their fault. Maybe there was a flood or maybe there was a meteor. Who knows. But are there lessons from the times in which we didn't quite make it? We didn't make it through the transition without a complete cataclysmic re-knowing. Are there lessons, are there teachings that we can learn from the humans that have come before us that we can bring into the time now? 

PAUL: They've never spoken about that directly to me. Maybe it's in the book that they just finished because I haven't finished proofing it yet. But let me see if I get anything on this because I'm curious. But you have a choice. Civilizations. Most civilizations go into an agreement of lack and then desperation, before they release. When you understand the source things begin to change. The opportunity now for civilization is to re-know itself beyond separation. If you're willing to do this, the transition can be happy, it can be fun, it can be joyful. If you wish to fight this, you will see the residual aspect of the denial of your brother, which is what you predict, which would be war and famine. We see no need for this, but indeed we see humanity having to make a choice. Indeed, the choice has been made at a higher level for humanity to progress. But the individual still has will if you wish to support the one beside you as the wave moves you, or try to steal his shelter, grab his lifeboat, be the victor, at the cost of someone's loss. Until you understand that indeed you're accountable to the one beside you, you will have pain. Period, and they're saying period. 

AUBREY: Yeah. Yeah. I guess in another kind of looking at the macro, one other question that I would love to get some clarity on is, is there an intentional energetic force in some metaphysical, cosmological ideologies, you would call it an archon, or a condensation of negative energy that is actually in opposition to the elevation of humanity, to our true nature? Is there energy, an externalized energy or is this something that's all within and it's no need to worry about this external energy? 

PAUL: I basically hear yes and no. It's both internal and external. When you make a choice in fear, which is in the denial of the divine, you have a creation that is in resonance with fear. Now fear is actually of God. Nothing can be outside of God, but fear would deny it. It would seek its autonomy even though it is of the whole. When a fear is released, or reclaimed in a higher way, you actually resolve this. Is there a force of evil playing on humanity, trying to deny their divinity? Absolutely not. You are the creator here, and any energies that are denying the divine are actually of choice born in fear and again, the denial of the divine. If you create an enemy like this, you are looking for a fight and a battle, you will replicate war. If you lift beyond the negativity, you can actually lift it, reclaim it, resee it. The denial of the divine cannot be denied from the higher amplification of tone or source. We have given you this ability, if you wish to enable it, if you wish to fight the shadows until your death you may choose that as well. 

AUBREY: Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. That really resonates. One thing that I'm curious about is the Guides talk a lot about fear and a lot of these choices being made in fear. There seems to be also choices being made for pleasure at someone else's cost. Like somehow in the wiring of our nature, just the same way that an orca seems to delight in throwing a seal up into the air and catching it, or a cat doesn't just eat the bugs in my house, they bat it around for a little while and feel the energy of the lifeforce squealing out of it, and then finally consume it. I watch them carefully. And sometimes I'll try and rescue the thing they're after. But this is nature, and this is like somehow, some part of me is like alright, I'm going to allow my cat to experience this with the cockroach in the way that cats and cockroaches are enabled. I think I'd feel different about a mouse, I'm rather fond of mice. So, I would definitely try and save the mouse. But nonetheless, in this existence, I see this in humanity as well. And you can look at it historically, there's a pleasure that can be derived from an organism level from hurting another being. And really, there's a pleasure in the condensation of separation in that way, and really articulating the separation in such a way that you're willing to hurt. Is this something that we're also fighting against that's significant? Or is that really just a symptom of some kind of fear? Or is this a part of our animal nature that we need to transcend? 

PAUL: They've never spoken about this. But what I do hear, I mean, they don't talk about evil much. But its intentional harm inflicted, would be a definition of it. And that can only be done, they say, by one who is in denial of the divine. 

AUBREY: Absolutely. Absolutely. 

PAUL: Because otherwise, you can't harm another in that way. I suspect this is the challenge. And it's why people say, well, I can't see the divine in so and so because of the horrible things that they've done. And I understand that. And then I also understand that a person is accountable to his or her actions. But also, the job is the job of redemption, or reseeing or re-knowing the divine within them, because nothing otherwise changes. Then we're back to just burning people at the stake. We're back to the old way of doing it. And I don't know that we get to change. So, they've said something to the effect that the one who engages at that level is denying their inherent divinity. And then the job of the other is to reknow that. And they talk a lot about, in the book that just came out, that's coming out next year, actually, they talk a lot about redemption, what that really means. And that that's actually done by the divine self. It is a redeemer that can and will and must, because it cannot put anything outside of God. See, God can't put anything outside of God. That's not possible. It's like that simple thing that they teach, you can't be the light and hold another in darkness. It's not possible. And the light is not shining for itself. It's shining for everything. Do you understand? So, it becomes, again, an opportunity for change and collective change in how we treat others. But I think we have a ways to go, is what it seems. 

AUBREY: Indeed. Indeed. It's like the paradox that we're already there and we have a ways to go. The truth is that we are all there and it's all just delusion and denial, that's keeping us from that recognition. So on one level, there's nowhere to go because it's already always true. And in another way, there's a lot of shedding and re-knowing of the self that is required. But we're in it. We're in this process. And this takes me all the way back, as we wrap up, to the third aspect of that claim, which is, I know how I serve in truth. And I do my best to understand that, and I think we've talked about a deep part of that, which is to show up as the divine self-expressed to the best of our ability. To recognize the state of inner being. To stop putting others in judgment and putting others to the cave, as they say, and really do our best to be in that divine expression, in that consciousness. But I just want to open up. If there's any other message that the Guides have for me, Aubrey, a guy who's doing his best and still is kind of hard on himself and I can feel that in hell, that maybe I'm not doing my best and maybe there's something else I could do. Or maybe there's some way that I could serve the world in a better way. I just want to open up to the Guides to see if they have any guidance for me. 

PAUL: They're claiming to go to you first, so I'm going to tune into you first if that's okay. So, I'm going to see what it feels like to be you. When I tune in to you, you actually say I don't want to know myself any deeper than I do. It's too hard. And it's hard. I got to tell you, it feels hard. And there's anger at people for not knowing what you're trying to do, is what I get. There's this anger of feeling misunderstood. So let me go to the Guides and see what they want to say. Tell the young man he's being celebrated not for what he does, but who he is. And a celebration at a higher level is always about the reconciliation of spirit and matter. In fact, what you are embarking on is a re-knowing of the self beyond the industry you've known or what you've catalogued yourself as. These have been useful hallways to wander down, they have never been your destination. Once you understand that, who and what you are, the true self and embodiment is here to love and serve. You will let go of the outcome because what will be offered to you will actually give you what you require to re-know the world. And what that means, to reknow the world is to see the blessing of God upon all matter. Now, we are using these words carefully for you because indeed you are a student of this work. The blessing of God upon, simply means that you are acting in agency to reclaim what has been dispossessed or denied. The challenge you will face personally is your idea of what things should be, of what your idea or how they should look after the fact. And letting go of the outcome of your acts or affect upon the world will be essential for you. In fact, it's not your business. You are learning humility by releasing the need for outcome. It is a hard gift to give, it is a harder one to receive. And what we mean by this is when a soul is ready for these lessons, they are offered, and carefully, so that the soul can assume its requirements for development at the cost of what the personality would ascribe. Period and they're saying period. 

AUBREY: Yeah, it's really powerful to hear. I mean, it's the attachment to outcome. That's the criteria for judgment that I'm judging myself against. And that's what creates the suffering and creates the anxiety is this, I have a fixation on the outcome of my acts and my deeds. And if I fail to meet this hypothesized outcome, this imagined outcome, then I haven't done enough. But I don't know what that outcome is, it's always ephemeral, and it's always moving, and it's always just a little bit more than I ever did. So I'm never quite actually there because I'm always moving the line just farther enough. And I think that's a beautiful reframe and I'll hold that tightly. And I guess, for me, the challenge is also that I have a lot of people that are supporting me and a team and we're all collectively doing our best. And it's difficult to manage a team without goals and without intentions. And so it's this interesting paradox of striving to attain the goals, to get more people to listen to the podcast because I believe in the podcast, but then surrendering the attachment to the outcome of how many people. And that's the tug and pull of this work. It is inherently a paradox of being the multidimensional being that we all are. 

PAUL: I think a lot of it is showing up. The Guides say how we serve or how we're most fully expressed is the true self. And some of that's just showing up. For my stuff, I've learned I have to show up when I don't want to, which is fairly often. But I show up anyway. That's my part of the job and I look at this as the job. This is how I show up and I take the dictation and I try to be in my integrity as I work. And everything else is kind of out of my hands. So I don't know that there's more than we can do in terms of making plans. I've asked this too. Because I meet people who say, well, God will take care of this. I don't have to pay my rent. I'm like, if you're supposed to pay rent, you're accountable for the rent. Do something about it. My example is, it's not a bad idea to chop firewood for the winter if you're living in a bungalow in the middle of the forest. Important. Chop the wood. That's your responsibility. That's being planful. I don't think being planful is necessarily being controlling. I learned a lot of this stuff, though, when I was in my early sobriety in my late 20s and I was so poor. And I didn't know what was coming. I was barely functional for a while. But I actually was taken care of through that period in miraculous ways. And I look back on it now, and I go, my God, you were so close to being homeless, you didn't even realize it for a long time. And I didn't, thank God. It would have scared me out of my mind. But I had a place to stay, and I had food. And I was learning. And I was learning. And I go back, and I can remember that, and I go, why does it need to be different now? I showed up then, I show up now. The circumstances are different. I'm still learning. I'm not done yet. I'm not going to be perfect. I'm not striving to be. But I'm trying to be available to what wants to be, I don't know, known in my experience, in my life in a way that I believe, I'm not going to say surpasses what was before, but is radically different than what I used to know. Because as I said, I wouldn't have been able to choose this because I didn't know that I could. 

AUBREY: Thank you so much, Paul. It's always great to talk to you. And always great to talk to the Guides as well. I don't know how much thank you matters to them in their existence, but I thank them equally. It's such profound teachings that you've been able to bring into the world with their support. And just the utmost gratitude, personally as a friend and also as the entirety of the being that I am. 

PAUL: Much love to you, Aubrey. Thank you. 

AUBREY: Yeah, much love to you as well. And everybody, the book, "The Kingdom" is out now and it's amazing, as are all of Paul's books. So definitely check it out. And also you've got all kinds of cool things to check out. You got Wednesday lectures and things like that. So if you're interested in staying connected to Paul, we'll put all the links in the show notes. Alright, everybody, thanks for tuning in. So much love. Goodbye.