What kind of world could we create if we balanced our masculine and feminine energy, both collectively and individually? This is the more beautiful world I am in service to, and the revolution has already begun. For too long, culture has diminished, desecrated, violated, censored, and suppressed feminine energy, regardless of the gender that it shows up in. Medicine women Vylana and Blu join me to talk about the return of the Goddess taking place across the globe, and how Vylana’s new album titled Goddess Rise is an anthem for the return of the feminine.

AUBREY: Vylana, Blu.
BLU: Yay!
AUBREY: Here we are.
VYLANA: Finally.
BLU: Finally.
AUBREY: So we're here podcasting at a very potent time, and it's a potent time in the collective, where there's a long history of momentum of a general suppression of the feminine, not just as it's embodied in women, but a suppression of the feminine in general. The knowledge and value, the epistemological value, the way of knowing through intuition has been suppressed and said, no, it's all empirical. That's the only way that you can know something. That anthro ontology, which is something that Rabbi Gaffney talks about a lot, this knowing in the body, which is an innate feminine sense that's been suppressed. And the magical arts, the healing arts, of course, massive suppression over the years, and along with it, women, themselves, oppressed for a long time and just held back from the full flowering. And I think what we're seeing in Iran now is actually just a moment, where in one of the places where that's been the most extreme. People are done with it. It's time to transition to a new story. And the coincidence that you're coming out with an album called Goddess Rise at this time is no coincidence at all. And actually, the idea of coincidence is in of itself, a suppression of the feminine knowing that there is something else holding us all together and it's a different type of knowledge than the kind of empirical Newtonian studies that have dominated that kind of masculine structured way of knowing. And so here we are at this time and it feels like in order for us to move forward, this movement needs to actually rise in its divine way, in its light way, not in its shadow form, not in an against way, but really rise. So to bring our planet back into balance. And we may actually have to go even a little further on the side of the feminine to actually restore balance, a little more on the nurturing side, to restore the balance from being too far out of balance the other way, like you party too hard and you need a little more rest.
VYLANA: Like a pendulum swinging.
AUBREY: Exactly.
VYLANA: Mm hmm.
AUBREY: But there's a way to do that in a healthy way, and then there's a way to do that in an attacking, anti way, which is actually just perpetuating. The suppression of the feminine as well, because it's a shadow masculine.
VYLANA: It's the same polarity on the opposite side of the spectrum. The whole idea of like, “fuck men, we don't need men.” Like that's the same energy on the other side and actually doesn't really solve anything.
AUBREY: It's actually just the identical same energy, just with a different target. And that's, I think, what is important to disambiguate is that, that is the energy that we're fighting against, is the against energy in general, and rather than the celebration energy, which is what we're trying to cultivate.
VYLANA: And simultaneously just speaking to what is happening in Iran, Blu and I have been very outspoken about it on our social platforms. It does feel like the pendulum swinging aggressively the opposite way of how it's been for thousands of years and women are literally willing to die for their freedom. They're putting themselves right in the line of fire, willing to die for their freedom. And I just wanted to speak that, to acknowledge the bravery and the courage that takes in so many women and the men standing behind them in little curls who are being killed. It's a war energy and also it seems like the way that consciousness works at this time because war is such a prevalent part of our human expression and has been for so long that, it almost takes this like divine intervention bomb to kind of like explode and blow things up for something to destroy for something to arise that is different and for us to kind of allow the pendulum to slow down and eventually swing back to center. But yes, as you said, my album is entitled Goddess Rise, and the timing of it could not be more aligned, more perfect. I actually wish that it was already out like three weeks ago because it just feels like it is just a ripe energy that's happening right now and I've wanted to really offer the medicine of the music and the visual album as a tool for women to know what to do with this like sacred rage that they feel in their DNA right now as they're watching the atrocities that are happening across the world. And however, Goddess Rise is my gift for how to work with the energy of fully embodying the full spectrum of who you are, which includes and transcends sacred rage and very deep emotions, our sacred sexuality, like all these elements that have been so repressed in us. And we have not been taught how to relate to them in healthy ways and express them in healthy ways. And so the meaning of this project is, ultimately, to take your power back and to be able to move through this energy and find yourself through the process, through the story.
AUBREY: Yeah, I mean, there's the external, which is how we actually help the collective structure. But all of that starts with the internal. Like how do we actually liberate the caged feminine within ourself? Like what are the rituals and what are the practices that we all do in your album has some, and I know Blu's like, you also are steeped in this world of practices and rituals and ways to kind of actually liberate the gifts that can come online. And many of your gifts were actually liberated in a circle of women who are offering their medicine and allowed something and held the space that allowed something to rise within you that actually gave you the name Blu is a little secret you've kept just about our podcast together.
VYLANA: I told him.
BLU: Not a secret, just a mystery that keeps unraveling.
AUBREY: And here we are, it's no surprise, like, why would women gathering in a circle be banished unless it was powerful. Has there ever been anything that was not powerful that was banned? Like, when was the last Flat Earth video that was censored? Like, never. They can put those up all day. Why? Because they're not powerful. They don't have any fucking substance. There's nothing real about them. So, like, no censorship necessary. You know what I mean? But the fact that women gathered in a circle in their magic has been suppressed. Oh, well, maybe there's something to that.
BLU: Most of my growth into my truest power, my gifts, my offering to the world, my rage, my grief, my deepest sadness, my ecstatic joy and bliss has been found in the safe space of sisterhood. I've been sitting with my sisters and being in a position of moving from this. narrative of comparison and competition, and that runs really, really, really deep. Going back to the witch hunt, if you wanted to save your family, if you wanted to save your family and you wanted to save your life, then you rat out a sister for being a witch, and that will grant you the past to be able to stay alive. And so, all of a sudden now, all the women are turning against each other and going, well this is survival mode for me and you are, like, if I rat you out, then I'll survive. And so, ultimately we've been turned against each other and actually that's where the power lies is that if we actually can come together in a circle as opposed to comparing ourselves with each other but shifting the comparison into inspiration, then as soon as I'm inspired by Vylana, a part of me that is of similar frequency that she's accessed but my own unique essence of it gets activated within my being. And so essentially, when we sit in a circle of women that are inspired by each other, that genuinely want the best for each other, that celebrate from the grief to the orgasm and everything in between, then true healing happens. And when women are in their power, we will see a paradigm shift on this planet. And this is what Deepak Chopra spoke about what's happening in Iran right now. Is that this is the leading edge of the paradigm shift. This is the Iranian women that are going, you know what, I'd rather risk my life than live the rest of my life like this. I'd rather die than have to do this for another day. And so they are the courageous ones that are risking their life, that are at the front edge of this paradigm shift, of women going, enough is enough. And that circles back to Vylana’s track, where she's standing on stage going, Enough! And there's fire! And there's women in their fullest expression, all types of body, all ways of expression, all skin tone, and it's like this artistic, graceful, deep, rageful, delightful array of the conversation that is happening on the planet through beautiful artistic creation and expression. And the timing of it, you did not know when you were spending the hours and the days.
VYLANA: The words, most of the words were written like a year ago. Most of the lyrics of the album and the container of the album were written a year and a half ago. So it's like, as you said, the feminine that in some sense has been exiled that has been made that magical part of us that knows how to deeply listen and to tune in and throw on ontologically field truth in our body listening to those whispers a year ago, like there is a time that's coming where this message is going to be really important to be heard and listening to that. And acting on it. And I wanted to speak as you were sharing, because I think this is also a really important topic, is just of the sister's wound. Like, what a great thing to incept in the collective to turn women against each other. Like, how fucking brilliant. How brilliant to try to control the world by making women, like, separating women. Because, same for me, I grew up, I had a lot of very toxic relationships, as I've spoken about many times. And in those situations, there was always another woman. There was always some form of betrayal not really feeling like, well, she knew we were together and then she slept with him anyways. And then my like, anger and resentment and just like, kind of this like, fuck women feeling. And the defense and protective mechanisms that I developed of like, well, like I've got to be better than all the other women, then I've got to be the prettiest. I've got to work out the most. I've got to be the best at anything that I put my mind to. And just that like insidious constant comparison and the result being, I only feel safe if I'm perfect and how shadowy that can become. I actually had the beautiful opportunity with Blu.
BLU: Hello everybody. I come here to bring up your jealousy. But ultimately for the healing.
VYLANA: But to bring up, like my own, that sister wound in me that started to like projects and have feelings with you. And like, what a deep wound that is for women to really unravel. And I don't think
AUBREY: And for people to get a flavor of that. There was a part of you that had started to place your identity complex in your. powers as a medicine woman and knowing how much I value you as a medicine woman. And then encountering Blu who's just a deeply empowered and powerful medicine woman and seeing her interact with the containers that we created interact with me in that capacity that that comparison started to come up. And become the snake that was whispering in your ear.
VYLANA: For sure. And my wounding, I'll just go like really honestly here because I don't like to live my life any differently, even if it people may judge me for it, like us being in the container of Fit for Service and Blu just like being so in her magical power and there being a part of me that's like, Fuck yeah, like of course, like it's Blu, like she should shine her light and share her medicine and this other part of me that's like, but Aubrey asked her to do it. Or if there's something that's coming up for him, if Blu's around, like, Aubrey will ask her and not me, and feeling like, all of a sudden, I'm not worthy, or I'm not the same, or I'm not his queen, or I'm not enough. And I really had to face off with that part of myself in this ayahuasca sit and get like a big dose of medicine and humility from Mama Aya that essentially told me, like, if you're putting this music out into the world, this transmission that you received from the universe that I am and that's all I ever need to be, here's where you're not living by that. And I had so many just like, just intricately woven insidious tendencies in these micro moments that I was shown between Blu and I, where some part of me would feel not enough. Or in competition, and then how in some way I was creating unconscious, mostly unaware, some sense of divisiveness, or like just measuring up all the time, and that's not like loving synergistic energy that just flows between sisters, and like ultimately what is that doing? That's really hurting me. And that's not what I stand for. That's not the way that I see the world changing. The visions that I always have, when I really drop in, is of women standing side by side, holding hands together, saying, “Enough.” We no longer accept to participate in this world in this way. We no longer accept the violation of the feminine. We don't need to yell and scream at you and get you to validate us for it. But like we are embodied in our truth. We know who we are and we know what we stand for and we do it together. That's the vision that I see and if I am out of integrity with that or any of this music, I'm having constant initiations about it, but ultimately, for women who can really resonate with that sister wound and how much it just creeps into your energy field and how like deadening it is when I've been through some of my toughest moments, creating this music, the song about sacred rage. And we were here in Sedona and I was in a really dark place and really depressed and it was really deeply painful and the thing that ultimately like really pulled me out of it was I had my sisters here and they gathered around me and they sang to me and they put their hands on me and they just allowed me to move through all of the emotions without trying to change anything and it was like fuck I needed this so bad. And if I'm in competition and alienating the magnificence of a sister because I am not recognizing my own magnificence and my own uniqueness, then it's crippling yourself for how much power and beauty you can have in your life.
BLU: One thing though, like, you've got to acknowledge is your willingness to call yourself forward on it. Instead of sort of like, oh, this is something I'm feeling, I'm just gonna put that over here and discuss it some other time because it's kind of a little crunchy and it's kind of embarrassing to talk about it in front of everyone.
VYLANA: It's embarrassing.
BLU: You're like, hey fam. Like in the circle the next day you were like, so, a lot of stuff came up regarding Blu, you looked over at me and were like in the circle in front of everyone and that was when my respect for you went to a whole new level.
VYLANA: Thank you
BLU: Because it's not about what curriculum is that presents itself, it's about what we do with it that actually really determines the strength of character of the individual. So it's not about judging someone if they're feeling jealous. That in itself is actually inherently innocent. What we do with it, essentially determines the outcome. And so you basically were like, here's what's present, this is what I'm feeling. You actually didn't show, like, throw any shade on me. You just were feeling this own internal experience, presented it to the space, and did whatever you could to alchemize it into something beautiful, which ultimately led to a deeper level of intimacy between us, which has then led to actually us weaving our gifts together and becoming four times as powerful as opposed to us just being on our own, which is essentially what we're intended to do is that we can't evolve as a species when one person is at the top. It's an outdated model. It's this model that actually is crumbling right in front of our eyes. Because it's got to say that someone has to be the best and the rest of us are just going to sit at the lower part of this model and it's this this pyramid structure is rigid and there's no way of movement in it because one person sits at the top or one percent whatever you want to call it, but actually if we're shifting in from a domination model into a dominion model, which is a circle. Everybody puts their two cents into the pot and everybody wins and benefits from this experience. And it's a very fluid model. There's a lot of energy that can move through it. How we've got to recognize that we need each other. We need each other to move forward for healing for our children, our children's children. But we've got to deconstruct the domination model that's in our consciousness, it's in our psyche, that's been built inside of us, which then leads to being, well, if I'm not the best, I will lose this love, but inherently I am worthy just by birthright. So that's the shift that wants to happen, and so whether the women in Iran that are standing up for their literally for their life. Or we're over here in America with a lot of liberation and freedom, we're still deconstructing within our psyche to different degrees of being inherently worthy just by being enough or just by being us and recognizing that in the presence of a sister, if I can truly see you as inspiration, not competition, then I actually receive my own gifts by being in your presence in a whole new way. And so it's just something that we've gone through the fire within our own partnership and friendship and sisterhood and ultimately come out through the crunchy in a deep level of intimacy and also more power in our medicine pouch.
VYLANA: And also just as soon as that ceremony was over, it's not in me to just hold stuff like I, 'cause I'll just act awkward and it's not my way. Like just being able to have the conversation and it being received so graciously like helped to dissipate any kind of shame that could have been born from really understanding my shadow on a deeper level, but feeling just like it being received with so much love and how much that helped me to have so much compassion for myself and not exiling parts of myself in shame.
BLU: I was kinda on it though. I'm like, wow, all the mocks are jealous of me. I'm doing something right. Like, yay! Shame me.
VYLANA: So true. But it’s beautiful, like, it's uncomfortable because it can feel really embarrassing, you know? But at the same time. And having the willingness to just have the brave conversation and just go right at it and just go right into it. And I feel like many people would be really inspired by how different it turns out than what they think.
AUBREY: So the challenge is though, with all of this is that you can't bypass actual competition also, right? Like this all sounds lovely in its many ways.
VYLANA: And it's all wrong.
AUBREY: And yeah, so you can't entirely bypass that there is a competitive element to life because there is a finitude of things that we want and that could be a person that could be a guy or a girl, right? And the interesting part is to take this consciousness and also apply it to a world where there is actually still competition, like still there may be a new man that enters the circle and there may be a series of available women, hypothetically. And then at that point there may be, oh shit, multiple people want this new man that enters. And it's like Highlander like one will succeed like there will be only one, maybe. I know. Like there's different ways in which people can interact that can actually kind of break these paradigms. But that's when it really gets put to the test because this was actually the test that you mentioned, was actually a very safe test. Because actually, yeah, I asked Blu to help run a tobacco line across the sand because a rattlesnake was coming.
VYLANA: There's lots of other things, only in the course of a year.
AUBREY: I'm not trying to trivialize it, but fundamentally. I am yours and you’re mine, just like they said, north of the wall in game of thrones, but for real, like I am yours and you’re mine. And like, that was always the truth, right? So this was like a beautiful way to get reconciled, but when it gets tricky, is when there actually is a finite resource, which I think is actually the authentic source of competition. Whether it's a game that you set up, you're playing pickleball, there is a winning team or a winning player and a losing player. There's a finite amount of victory that could be available. Now you can transcend that to like, it's for the infinite game of playing and whatever, but we're playing a game of finitude. So how would you respond to that, bringing this consciousness into a real scenario where there actually is competition because we also know in our bones that competition is also real. So it's both.
BLU: Okay, so using your example that there is a man that has walked into a group where there are multiple available women and multiple women want this one man. How I perceive this experience is that of all 8 billion people on the planet, you're going to run into or interconnect with the individual that is specifically aligned with your dharma or karma. And it is very meticulously designed with the people that we find attraction to. Whether it's for a very short period of time or for a lifetime. And you have a curriculum for each other, you have certain ways to burn off your karma in the presence of individuals that you connect with. That does not happen with all the women in the group. For me personally, I'm not trying to compete with the other women in the group. Because I trust that what is meant for me, there was nothing I could do to fuck it up. That level of trust in the universe, oh, I send it out. So if my sister over there is scraping away to get the attention of this individual, do all you must. But more effort does not mean more results. So, just recognizing that if I stay in my truth and I stay in my center, that actually as the feminine principle, which is the very thing we're talking about, is that I magnetize to me what is meant for me. I do not fight for it. I do not compete for it. That is the masculine. I do not compete for my man to find me. I’d be the fullest expression of myself. And if we'd go back to the essence of the egg and the sperm, the egg does not chase the sperm, the egg. is in his fullness, just as that. The sperm, oh, they can pee in. They’re running, they're swimming as fast as they can. Only one of them is going to make it. The fittest, the fastest, the strongest. But the egg, eh, nah. I just say, gonna be in my fullness, gonna be real fertile, and whoever's the strongest, you gonna get in, and maybe we'll make some life. So from my perspective, based on what we're talking about, in the feminine principle in women, the power lies in knowing that I don't need to compete with anybody, that I am already whole and complete, and whoever is meant to find me will, based off of my very meticulous karma. And his very meticulous karma, and so maybe for a moment he'll connect with someone else, but he'll find the person that he's meant to be with for however long. And so that's how I relate to competition in a space where there's hot men flying around, because they are in this community. There's a lot of them, and there's a lot of really beautiful women as well, and there's also a lot of really deep insecurities, and there's also a lot of competition and comparison and you can feel it. It's just like, it's subtle, but it sits there right behind like, Hey, don't forget about me. And it's just there. And I think it would be naive to say it's just not going to be there. It is in any group. It's going to be there specifically with good looking, powerful individuals. But there's a notion of a shift in consciousness that is happening where the competition between women doesn't need to happen when one is rooted in one's own truth.
AUBREY: That's the beautiful explanation of the way out of the paradigm. And the way out of the paradigm is into a deeper faith in your own individuality and in deeper trust in the kind of hidden mathematics of the universe as well, but deeper trust in Shekhinah, if you will, the goddess Supreme, Eros itself, the life force. It's animating everything. And that is the end of competition. That's what I ultimately had to come to in my polyamory, right? Which was a highly competitive environment because I had a partner with many men competing for the love and interest of that partner and many men vying to be the number one to kind of take my spot as the primary partner in that. As soon as someone came onto the scene, and they had a particular, at first, when they had a particular skill set that was better than mine there was this desire like, I gotta train up that skill set, I gotta beat him at his own game, I gotta become something different so I can beat him at that, but in every time I would try to do that, I would lose a bit of myself, and I would actually start falling, the farther I got from myself, the less desirable I became and the more I was losing both internally in my own experience and externally in the response of my partner or partners, so actually it's a celebration of uniqueness being the thing that transcends competitiveness.
BLU: The analogy that I like to think about this is like every single person is a fruit, right? You're a watermelon, you're a pear. I'm an apple. If I was to sit in an apple next to a watermelon and go, God, I wish I was a little bit more like him. Wow, look how large and round firm he is. I'm so small compared to him. I would completely bypass the magic of the apple. The apple is magic because it's an apple. Not because it's trying to be a watermelon. So ultimately, if we can actually recognize that everybody's got their own flavor, and texture, and smell, and color, and that's what makes them so profoundly unique, and that's what makes people love apples. Some people hate apples. Some people love apples. Some people don't like watermelon. Some people love watermelon. But the watermelon is just the watermelon. When we can eventually all just truly, like, become the fullest essence of who we are without trying to compete ourselves with and trying to, like, be a different than what we are, then we can actually just have a massive fruit pie like a big fruit salad, but it's a massive fruit salad, it tastes delicious, it's delicious because everyone's being themselves together. Now we've got a party.
AUBREY: I mean, I think one of the things that I think is a tragedy of this played out at large is there's this ideal that's in the zeitgeist in the collective about what attractiveness looks like and it's big lips and big boobs and eyes that go in a certain shape. I don't even know what the surgery is that makes the eyes go in that certain shape, but there is one and lots of people are doing it.
BLU: Really?
AUBREY: And then, yeah.
BLU: Changing her eye shape?
AUBREY: Yeah. Like there's all kinds of fucking crazy shit going on where there's different actual ways in which people are using surgical interventions to try and meet this singular ideal. And all I see for through my eyes as a man, all I see is people chasing this sameness, which is actually a denigration of the uniqueness, which is the actual attraction to the individual in the first place. When you see this like collectively play out in the culture. Now that doesn't mean that you can't bring out the best of your own attributes, your own muscular structure, or hit the resistance bands and build your own glute muscles in the way that you want to build them or braid your hair in the way that you want to braid it or do your own version of what that is. But it gets to be really shadowy and undermining of the essence of this unique flower when you try to become a different flower and think that there's one flower that is the universal attractant and everybody needs to just chase that thing. It's just the absolute backwards mindset.
BLU: We're fed artificial glamor everywhere we look, we're fed this artificial nature of beauty. We see our role models that are very famous. And there's just a certain level of literally transforming, like, not to throw them under the bus, but just to mention them because they're sort of like the place front and center being the Kardashians, for example, like everything has been changed about them, whether it's their bottoms, or their lips, or their hair, or everything is just surgically changed. And then, it's like a success or celebration, around placed on beauty. And if you are beautiful, then you will get the man, and then you will be provided for, and it's like a survival mechanism.
AUBREY: Well, it's also the wrong definition of beauty.
BLU: Right, so there's artificial glamour and then there's authentic beauty. And authentic beauty, I truly believe, is born from how much you love yourself or sentient life, and others. Someone is so attractive to me when they love people. All of a sudden, it doesn't matter what flesh puppet they were incarnated into, all of a sudden they become beautiful. I'm like, wow, you are such a beautiful human because you love people so much. I'm so attracted to you. As opposed to the general consensus, which is rooted in unworthiness.
AUBREY: Tell us about your own journey to like finding the authentic Vylana beauty. That's also been another journey that's been beautiful for me to see, is for you to trust deeper and deeper how beautiful the Vylana is, and as you've trusted how much, how beautiful the Vylana is, the more beautiful you've come, you become to yourself, to me, to everybody around you, to the whole world, and the whole world now looking at you like, God damn, she's beautiful.
VYLANA: Thank you
AUBREY: You know?
VYLANA: So my journey to what I feel is my own authentic beauty took a really long time. I grew up Tahitian dancing, and when I was young, my hair wouldn't grow. Like, I was very young. I was like seven. And all the other dancers just had this thick, black, long hair down to their butts. And I was an amazing dancer, and I loved it so much. But just like from that very young age, just being like, well, my hair doesn't grow that long and I would sit in the bathtub and put it down my back and just kind of pretend I was them. And so it kind of incepted this idea that of not enoughness from really early on and I started getting extensions when I was 17. And I had them until I was 30 and it's actually kind of a funny story because at that point in my life, I was going through a big transition financially and I didn't really have the money to upkeep the hair extensions and my nails and my lashes and all these things that I did to sort of like keep up with the times and what essentially Instagram beauty was and everything I was surrounded by and so out of pretty much necessity I just kind of stopped everything. I stopped coloring my hair I took all my extensions out and it was interesting for a little while
AUBREY: And this is like four years ago
VYLANA: This is like four years ago. This is when I, or five years ago. This is when I was like 30, 31 and I just stopped. And soon enough, after my hair was a little bit less damaged, I started loving just feeling natural. Like, I would let my hair be curly, I stopped doing my nails, no more lashes, and I just woke up and I could actually, like, see the shape of my eye again. And something about it felt like I discovered a part of myself that I never really allowed myself to even feel before because when I was little, it's like I don't even remember what the magazines were called like Cosmo or like whatever those magazines were, it's like everything that you're looking at all this feedback of like what's glamorous, what's successful, what is loved by the world is this particular type of image. And I always wanted to be a singer. So pop stars like Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears. And it's like, I wanted to wear makeup when I was at a really, really early age. And it was just like the feedback that I received from the world is like, this is what makes you beautiful. And so I did that forever. I used to freaking literally wear my hair kind of Jersey Shore-style like teasing. And it was black. And I look back at pictures and I'm like, oh my god. It's so crazy. But yeah over I mean it took probably about a year to really feel comfortable in my own skin in a natural way. And then some part of me felt a little ashamed like I can't believe I never allowed myself to just feel myself naturally. And now it's like I'm happy to wake up and just totally be in my own skin. But I think a lot of that also has come from my journey of self love, my journey of recognizing my worthiness and my enoughness and exactly as Blu and you were speaking of, like, I am one of one. I am the only person that can ever be me in the history of the cosmos. There will literally never be another Vylana. I am that unique facet in the diamond of God. So why would I try to be anything else outside of myself? And that doesn't mean, obviously, I put on makeup for podcasts and I style my hair and it's like Blu expresses herself through this like wild primal, like she's got her dreads and her feathers and I love wearing my medicine hat and crystals and turquoise, like there are preferences that I have, but if I'm completely bare and I walk out of an ocean and I have no makeup on and it's like, it feels
AUBREY: Everybody listening just imagines you bare walking out to the ocean. You're welcome everyone.
VYLANA: It just feels, there's just a beautifully liberating experience that you can have to just see yourself totally bare and find love for it. Because it is your natural, authentic beauty. And in the creation of my visual album, one of my songs is called Phoenix. And it's actually my first single that I released in August. And I wanted this video to be a celebration of the feminine. The whole journey, the whole album takes you through the arc of a journey and a story. And this last song is like the Phoenix rising moment of this realization of I have gone through my darkness and recognize how it forged me like the diamond of who I was meant to become. And the realization that I am. And that's all I ever need to be every single moment and in envisioning who I wanted to bring to be a part of the visual album. It was like, who are the women in my field that I am inspired by? They weren't the women who were the most glamorous. They were the ones who, like, I have seen them in moments where they have captivated me because they are so authentically themselves. One of the women that was in my video, her name is Angie. She's one of the most inspiring women that I've ever seen in my life. And I've seen her just be the fullest of her expression, no matter what the container she goes out and goes ham inside of on it. And she's beautiful and her heart is pure and it just pours out onto anyone that comes into contact with her. Like that's what I feel is beauty. That's what I feel is the embodiment of what I want to exemplify to women. It's like glamour and preference and all that can be fine and no judgment to anyone's path. But there is a next evolution of the recognition of what true beauty is, in my opinion. And honestly, the way that I see it, the beauty that I'm surrounded by, that makes me feel excited and inspired and it has everything to do with Blu said. It has everything to do with how much you love. It has everything to do with how much you are true to yourself. How authentic you are, how vulnerable you are. In that moment where I told Blu about all of my shadowy aspects of myself, did she look at me and think that I was ugly? No, she fell in love with me more. That's the kind of beauty that really moves me and the beauty that I feel like I've really found in myself.
AUBREY: Yeah. This is such an important first step in the goddess rising is that the goddess rises together because if each goddess is trying to keep the other goddess down, it's not going to work. Right? So the goddesses have to come together. The feminine principle just speaking at large has to come together to support the rising. The other step, however, is what the role can be for the masculine in supporting the rise of the goddess, whether that's the masculine principle internally, but also men as they express that and support what we inherently know, at least many of us know is necessary, like what is in both of your opinion, the highest articulation of how the masculine can support the feminine and the goddess in their rising.
BLU: You want to take the baton first, baby?
VYLANA: Sure.
BLU: Or you want me to do it?
VYLANA: I mean, I can definitely speak to my own experience. I've been in partnerships where me, being in the brilliance of my light whether it be with my voice. Whether it be my gifts as a medicine woman coming online, anything that was really expensive for me as a feminine expression. I've been in a relationship where anytime I would kind of express that brilliance, it was like it was almost threatening for that person. Anything that they could do to kind of keep it smaller and keep it safer so that they felt safe because of their own sense of unworthiness and not seeing their own brilliance, it was crippling for me to feel like I'm really expressing like the fullness of my soul and then to just kind of feel like my legs get cut out from underneath me, I really understand the contrast of what it is not to feel supported by the masculine. Fast forward to our relationship and your trust and belief in me, beyond everything else, has helped me to believe so much in myself that my gifts have just continued to evolve at what sometimes feels like quantum paces because you trust so much in the goddess that comes through me. It's not this egoic sense of like, this is what I can do and this is happening. This is like, no, you trust the goddess that comes through me and you see her. And you honor her, and you encourage her. You don't try to put out her fire, because that makes you feel less about yourself. You feed, you fuel that fire, and you're like, “Yeah, burn, baby, burn.” The other aspect is when I was moving through a lot of integrating some shadow aspects of my expression and particularly, sort of unintegrated or like reactive anger or coldness or certain dynamics that we've had when we've been going through difficulty. There is no part of you that withdraws your love from me and shames me or makes me wrong for those moments. There's been a part of you, when my kind of like cawley fire has, that's come out, that has just been like bow to the power that is behind that. Not like we need to continue the cycle of unintegrated anger, but like, there's this part of you that's like, it's like Shiva. Like, I will hold you in all of it. I will not shame you for any aspect of yourself. I will hold you in, however you want to express, however you're being in every single moment. Like, that part of you that doesn't withdraw love or exile me from love for many the full spectrum of my expression has also called forward the most beautiful parts of me and the part of me that is so willing to work through whatever it is that I need to so that I could show up to our container with more love because of how you've been an example for me. So those are how I would say the masculine can really stand for the feminine. And also just like being a protector of my sovereignty, a protector of me expressing in the greatest way. It's like, I, over this last year and a half, have birthed this art into the world that's about to fully be out for all to see. And you've been there with me through all of it, offering your unique gifts, your marketing skills and entrepreneurship and business mind and things that I would literally just be pulling my hair out because I have no idea what the hell I'm doing is like you're there with me. And it's valuable to you, for you to share my message. It's valuable to you to share her message and all the powerful women in your world. It's not about like I'm the king, I'm the masculine and this is what I have to offer. Like, it's like you're lifting all the women's voices. Through any way that you can, always. I mean I feel like your question is really just like listen to Aubrey Marcus's podcast and read his newsletter and get some clues because that really is my feeling that you really embody. And I've seen you, we call you goddess doula. And there have even been women in the container of Fit For Service that you'll have a moment within breath work, or you'll have a conversation with them. And it's like, there's something about the way that you love and honor and revere the feminine and the way that you see the goddess that comes through every single woman that is like this permission to call forward an even greater expression. And it literally is like birthing goddesses all over the place that are like, yeah, I believe in the masculine again, because he believes in me. And now I can actually feel the courage to, like, really express myself and my truth and rise as the goddess. So that was a very long answer, but I was very passionate about it, so, thank you.
AUBREY: It's my honor. And I got the question and I know I'd love to hear your thoughts on this too, Blu. But just to respond to that, I wasn't, at least intentionally, setting this up to be an Aubrey, an Aubrey celebration moment.
VYLANA: I don't think you were.
BLU: He told us to do this before the podcast, anyway.
AUBREY: I was like, this is a good question.
VYLANA: He made a signing agreement before he was like, he won't be on my podcast. Just kidding.
BLU: Just gonna fan my flames for about 15 minutes,
AUBREY: One thing that's clear is, it's not at all the reason why I'm doing it, but it's a consequence of me doing it. The more I raise and support the women around me, the more I'm looked at in all of the ways that I've always wanted to be looked at in my whole life as a man, as a king, as a leader, it's like the more you're of service, the more you humble yourself and like put yourself in service, the more people lift you up rather than vice versa. The old model of push everybody else down so that you're higher. It's another model. And the more I'm into it and I do it because of my innate nature. And actually we had a question at the summit at the relationship workshop where a woman asked, she said, I have heard that in order for a man to come into his king, which is just a metaphor for being like the highest expression of the masculine, the divine masculine in many ways can mean other things, but that an initiated woman has to initiate them into their kingship. And then she followed that by saying, and then I've heard that women have to initiate themselves. And I didn't really understand that that was a part of the Zeitgeist and maybe it was just a story that she'd had or maybe it is a part of the Zeitgeist. Maybe there's some kind of thread that's in the collective that's trying to say that. And then she asked, she said, so, tell me if this is true, how Vylana has initiated you into becoming a king, becoming a king that she saw, and she imagined at least, at the very least, that I am. And I thought about it for a second, and I realized that she was, there was a true but partial response in that I do think that the masculine needs to be initiated by the feminine to actually step into their full kingship. But as much as you've helped me grow and become the man that I was, it started with my grandma and my mom. Like, it started with my grandma and my mom.
BLU: I mean, all over your bleeding.
AUBREY: Yeah, exactly.
BLU: Strong.
AUBREY: Exactly. And because of that, I had a massive advantage, a massive leg up where I didn't require a partner to bring me, initiate me through that. And actually I could start the process of helping to support women from the drop, like right out of the bat because my grandma and my mom had held that down for me for so long. So would I have been able to do that without the feminine in some form? In this case, I was lucky that it was through my family. Like bringing that through me, it would have been very difficult, but it doesn't have to be from a partner. So, and then therein lies the next aspect of the question, which is, all right, well, what if you didn't get that from your mom or your grandma, which is a common story. And what if you're just in a relationship? And I kind of got the idea that it doesn't have to be like one complete initiation then pass to another complete initiate, or you can kind of both just inch up like a little kind of inchworm, each initiating each other just a little bit and kind of rising together. But it has to be a togetherness process. And I think that's actually a much better way to look at it. But in some way or another, the masculine has to have that deep reverence for the feminine to be truly in support.
BLU: So, I 100% agree. When I see you, I see your mother, and I see your grandmother, and I see them loving you and hugging you and reinforcing you when you do something great when you're playing soccer or something like this growing up. And mum's on the sideline going “go, Aubs, go.” I just feel that laced into your workings and the way that now translates to how women feel in your presence. I've witnessed my sisters over this summit show up for the first time in service and talk to me afterwards and go being in the presence of Aubrey and being seen by him and celebrated for my gifts is allowing me to access more of my gifts in his presence. That is the greatest gift you could ever give anybody and the women that chose love in your family are in the very fabric of your DNA of allowing other women to be able to see themselves in your presence. And so you were initiated by the goddess, just in different forms of partnership. Now you mentioned a really beautiful point here is that if, say for example, I'm estranged from my mother or there is a man that has not had a relationship with his mother or is entangled and it's distorted and manipulative, there is always still opportunities for growth and healing. And the first and foremost is the willingness to say, I'll do whatever it takes to truly be able to come into my heart. I will go to the dive to the depth, whatever it looks like, and are you willing to do this with me? Are you willing to stand in the fire no matter whatever comes up? But it has to be a mutual agreement. Like, I have to sit with the person and say, okay, whatever it takes, I'll be with you and ride through all of this. There are going to be certain boundaries around it. Please do not project your experience onto me. I'm not a purge bucket. These are the certain requirements in the sense of like, if you are willing to go all in and do whatever it takes, if you're not willing to take ownership and go all in and willing to do whatever it takes, then that's also a boundary. But to actually meet someone that says, okay, I'm willing to fight for this and let's go all in, and there's a full willingness and a full accountability on either side, anything could be healed. I truly believe that anything in the presence of two people that are willing to be a stand for love, can alchemize out of the field and it doesn't just alchemize for that individual, alchemizes for the whole bloodline. It's extremely powerful
AUBREY: I think the masculine is one of the aspects of the masculine is order and order always seeks to tame chaos. It's the nature of technology seeking to tame the wild castles. So much of our mythology is based on the kind of masculine order being imposed on the wild chaos of the feminine. And that's a part of the story that needs to be rewritten. It's part of, actually, the mythology that needs to be rewritten because what I see is actually a higher order that comes through the feminine. That's an order that's beyond the mathematics of my logical mind, beyond even what my masculine mind could even come up with. And yes, there is some structure. There's a start time and an end time to a ritual. There's certain things that I might organize around a structure of a container, but within that container, we had so many powerful women leading that breathwork and some powerful men as well. But the invitation was full magic, full power, just bring everything that you can into the structure of this container and to really trust that. And I think for the masculine, it's not only an initiation from the feminine that's embodied, but it's also like a deep trust of the wild feminine in general, the goddess at large, the hidden mathematics in the chaos of the universe. And to really trust that as well. And I think it's a bit of a combination of both. And that's what allows me to really respect and value the gifts that come through like both of you, for example, is that I trust that you're tapping a wisdom in a source that's of a deeper intelligence and even my logical mind can access and it doesn't mean that I trust it blindly and then I'm not like, “you sure about that?” You're like, “I don't know.” But nonetheless, my default is to trust it. I remember actually like the first time I had a really profound experience of that. It was with a partner, I had a very brief interaction with her name was Amy and Amy was really tapped in. We did watch Human together, down with Don Howard. And I think the very beginning of the polyamory journey with Whitney. And I remember we were in this situation and she said something to me. She was like, she analyzed the situation in a way, like with people that I knew. And I thought I had it all figured out. And she was like, she told me something. I was like, “no, that's not the way it is.” She's like, “yeah, it is.” And I go like, “what do you mean?” She's like, “I just know.” And I was like “What do you mean you just know? Explain to me why, what's the evidence, present your case” like I was in the game of logic still at that point, 10 years ago or whatever. And she's like, “I just know.” And then sure enough, like we didn't stay, we didn't date for very long, but then sure enough, like. A year later, it turned out she was exactly right, and it was impossible for her to have known any other way than to be tapped into a greater listening, something else that was beyond. And I think that was like a key important moment for me to realize like, whoa, like she just knew something, she just knew it from a whole different structure and system. Then I know things from and gradually over time, especially knowing you both, like I'm now I come to expect that to a certain degree. I never take it for granted, but I just trust that there's another source of wisdom that's available that is as valuable, if not in certain cases, more valuable than any of the architecture of understanding, what is real, the ontology of life or the way that you come into knowledge, the epistemology, how do you know that there's just a whole other way that's available that comes through the feminine. And then my belief in that as somebody who could represent that kind of sharp order, CEO of a company, leader of this or that, and putting things in boxes, which is what you expect, and suppressing that other knowing, I instead, like, encourage it to flourish. And then I think as the masculine, encouraging that to flourish, it flips something in people's mind, where they're like, “oh shit, he believes in me?” He who could represent the antithesis and the undermining of my belief, he believes in me, fuck an A. I believe in myself and I think that's a real invitation for the men listening is like your belief can go a long way.
BLU: There's an archetype in the Gene Keys, the shadow of weakness and the gift in the city of like tenderness. And what I mean by that is that with every expression there's a shadow and then there's the light aspect of it. You have it actually in your Jinkies chart and the weakness is to ultimately see women as objects and will have the hot girl on the arm that's like Bang and babe, but like not really a whole lot going on on the inside, but like no, it's okay. I just use it for the image kind of essence and sort of using women for sexual desires and having many around and being sort of that like a player and it's like very highlighted in hip hop culture, and just sort of music culture as a whole. However, where the tenderness, which you are a tender warrior, the tenderness and actually true power is born in seeing women, and ultimately women seeing themselves as the oracle, as the ability to tap into that deep knowing that is beyond all form. And that is where true power lies. That's where you can build places like the house that we're in right now. This isn't just a home. This is a kingdom, a queendom of healing. This is founded on equality and care and love and supporting women to step into their truth, you get to receive our guidance and our wisdom that is born from the power. That we gave ourself in your presence. So it creates this like equilibrium, like feel that feeds itself because of the acknowledgement you give to the women. When they are truly tapped into their truth, we receive ourselves and then feed you. And so now you move from weakness into tenderness and true sustainable power. You are at the leading edge of the paradigm shift in how you relate to the women in your life and how you have allowed the transmutation over and over and over again of the jealousy to allow the women in so that he can actually, support the women rising, because you two are so solid in your relationship. This isn't going anywhere. And your ability to transmute anything that was in competition frequency into full acceptance has allowed him to be in his dharma, to uplift the women around him, to uplift everything that he's doing from this point forward. It's remarkable to witness my friends come to Fit for Service and witness both of you and watch my worlds collide and walk away feeling more empowered, more connected with their truth, more permission to shine as brightly as they want to, feeling honored and seen by Aubrey, feeling cherished by you. And feeling completely clean about it. What a gift you give to people through your love and through everything you've transmuted so that we can truly step into our truth. I think that is what true service is.
AUBREY: There's this, again, if you're in the story of rivalrous conflict governed by win lose metrics, which is the story, the old story. The old story that suppresses everybody else in this kind of hierarchy, if you win, I lose, I'm better than you or worse than you. It's all in these metrics. If you believe that, then that reality is going to actually just be a mutually suppressive construct. But in another reality, as I'm saying, as you shift into that other reality, actually what you really wanted the whole time when you were playing the old game, which is to rise, actually you rise with everybody, not rise over anybody, and that's the new story of the goddess rising, and it's not that as the goddess rises, well, there goes men's position on down the totem pole, we had our glory days, everybody. And it's also the funny thing, and I think it's one of the shadows of this movement is like the people will say, like, the future of the world is women. And I'm like, no, like, that's just not true.
VYLANA: It’s balance.
AUBREY: It's a balance. It's a rebalancing of the masculine and feminine principles expressed through all beings. And that's the necessary aspect, but it can get shifted into that same system of win lose metrics, rivalrous conflicts, goddess rise. Well, if the goddess is rising, down go the men. We had fun while it lasted, didn't we, guys? Goddess is rising. Fucking A
VYLANA: Well, there's also just acknowledgement. I mean, at least on my end for, as I said earlier, for this entire birthing of this art, like I needed you. I could not have done this without you in all the ways. I don't have a single day or a single moment that I'm not counting my blessings for being able to do this by the freedom that I've had to create this the way that I wanted to because of the hard work and blood and sweat and tears that you put in for years to be able to just be free about how I wanted to create it in the way that felt the most aligned and exciting and most beautiful. Like I needed your masculine polarity to be the embodiment to call forward my own, to guide me, to teach me, I'm not trying to like overpower and take on both, I'm dancing in both of those worlds with whether it be the backend of releasing music or in the full like creation mode, but like I needed you, I could not have done any of this without you. And to believe that the future of the world is only women's, it's ignorant. What the world needs is ‘the balance’ and I feel like our relationship dynamic really expresses that because we both hold the feminine and masculine poles very strongly and we also simultaneously dance in the opposite polarity. But it's the union that is the portal to God and greatness.
AUBREY: Yeah, it's the emergent principle of balance, which creates a whole new field. That's not one or the other, but both interfused and suffused into creating, it's what Robert Grant talks about with alpha and omega merging to form Chi. So it becomes Alpha Chi Omega, the Trinity and the Trinity, that emergent field, the Chi, where they cross the X, where they cross and become a whole new field. Like that's the future. That's the future of the world.
BLU: I did once see a t- shirt that says the future is female ejaculation, and I really resonate with that.
VYLANA: I mean, that's definitely a big part of the message.
BLU: It's an important t-shirt. We'll probably distribute that.
VYLANA: We should make hats. Let's get some hats.
AUBREY: To speak to the archaic nature. Of the mindset, I mean, the suppression of female pleasure. I mean, talk about fucking insanity, right?
VYLANA: You need a lobotomy.
AUBREY: Like what insanity is that.
VYLANA: You’re ill.

AUBREY: It's like a deep pathological mental illness, like the genital mutilation where they perform clitorectomies. And I know there's lots of people who want to rush to say, “Oh, you can't speak to that outside of your culture and blah, blah, blah.” With deep respect. I respect all the cultural values of things, but there are certain things that according to first principles and first values of the cosmos, I think are wrong, in the ideas are misled. And it doesn't mean that I don't understand that there are certain women, because of cultural indoctrination, want to do that. But it's just like, if a culture believes in human sacrifice to change the fucking weather patterns, it doesn't mean that that's okay. If it believes in infanticide, it doesn't mean that that's okay. And if it believes in cliticide. I don't think it's okay. You know what I mean? And that's just one extreme example. And I don't want to get into the cultural argument about this, but it's like part of the zeitgeist and it circles all the way back to Iran, which that's not their path. They have a different path of hiding the feminine and in certain ways and forcing that upon them. But it's all based on this very shadowy jealousy, it's like we're so blessed to be in our position not to deal with that depth of intensity, but if you look around it's still fucking happening in our world culturally, not just criminally, as in sexual slavery and the different things that are happening, of course. That's criminal and still kind of happening, which is horrible and all of the different sexual abuses all again, that's criminal, but that's different than cultural, which is like still exists and has been a part of culture for so fucking long. And so that shirt is revolutionary in some places, which is insane is everybody, like the universal response to female orgasm should be “hooray!” universally. So God said, it's like what the whole universe is. The whole universe is like, when that happens, like, yay,
BLU: Yay! You've reached a peak moment in your human form experience.
AUBREY: Yeah. But the fact that that is this. It exists because there was something that wasn't obvious about that in the past. And you just think about that and you're like, wow. Sometimes it's easy to forget, be in our own bubble, and forget how fucking backwards it's been for so long and how it still is in certain places.
BLU: We had a really powerful experience during Fit for Service this time with Layla's workshop.
AUBREY: Yeah.
BLU: With diving deep into everyone's sensuality and sexuality and I personally like really found an edge in that workshop being asked to be a demo for that the exercises on the stage in front of everybody and I just saw my whole background around my relation to my sexuality being witnessed in it, the danger of that, the danger I can attract because of that. And in real time, within like a couple of hours turnaround from the moment she asked me to stand on stage and to do the demo to actually doing it in front of everybody, the amount of the fear that I had to work through to actually step in but also recognizing that the visual I got, I did a meditation beforehand and the visualization that I got was that if a wheel wants, it needs to move forward. And say if it's got like a few spokes on the wheel, you've got like this one spoke representing finances and one spoke representing your service to the world and one spoke representing health and wellness and one spoke representing sexuality and liberation. Well, I was like my spokes like super solid and like all of these and then this one spoke was kind of like, just like broken a little bit and it's like watching the wheel trying to move forward with one of the spokes a little bit broken it was like “tuduh, tuduh” And I was like, “huh?” So I have an opportunity to strengthen this spoke right now in front of all of these people for myself to actually liberate this energy that has run way longer than I was even thought of, but in real time I have an opportunity to transmute it through my body and Layla gave us these incredible exercises, which was one of them was like, place our arms in the air and to align ourselves with the highest expression of our orgasm and the highest expression of our pleasure and to let it rain down upon us. All of the gifts of what it truly means to be in our ecstatic bliss and then from there to go down into the earth and to purge everything that isn't that. I remember coming down from the heavens down to the earth and I almost physically threw up. Like I was like and I was crying and I was retching and I was like oh my gosh there is so much in me and I'm seen fully as the privileged liberated woman of the west I mean I really am. And yet it still runs so deep in my psyche, in my field. And of course we are very privileged to have the expression that we have considering what's happening on the planet. But also again, like this runs within us. But yet when I went up there and really allowed myself to move the orgasmic energy through me in a public space, what I was doing, I felt, was I came back to the quote from Peter Crone that said to me once on my podcast, our vibrational state is our contribution to the collective. And in that moment, everything that was not my pleasure in my body, that was taken away based off of somebody else's bias or perspective. When I then finished the workshop, I was like, “Huh, way more accessing my pleasure,” and that was my vibrational contribution to the collective. So, that is service. That is healing for the world. For me to actually find my own pleasure. And so, we need more safe spaces to feel our pleasure. I think it's super important.
AUBREY: Yeah.
BLU: And it's heartbreaking to see what's happening with women and having their genitals mutilated. It's heartbreaking and there's something we can do about it.
BLU: We can liberate our own sexuality.
AUBREY: Yeah, no doubt. I mean that workshop was really powerful. And speaking of pleasure, there's a teaching from Mark Gafni again. And it's a teaching that stood out when I was reading one of his unpublished works. That'll hopefully come out in about a year, somewhere around there called the Phenomenology of Eros. And it talks about, that the ceiling on your pleasure is your dignity. And Vy and I, like, meditated on that for a while. The ceiling on your pleasure is your dignity.
BLU: That hits.
VYLANA: Yeah. I was like, dang.
BLU: I'm like, oh, I feel so attacked by that statement.
AUBREY: Yeah. And dignity, so we talked to Mark about it.Dignity is simultaneously worthiness, your worthiness, but it also implies a certain sense of your own royalty, your own coming into your full, like knowing yourself. As the good, true, beautiful aspect of the cosmos, which has this kind of regal aspect, not pretentious regalness, but like the true king or the true queen, like knows themselves to be fully worthy and an embodiment of all pleasure. So that's in the background, and then Layla’s leading us through this. And first of all, as Layla’s leading us through this, I'm thinking like, I'm kind of the host of the container. I can probably just hold space or check it out. And I was like, stop being a little fucking whiny little baby and do the damn thing. Like, fucking go for it. And so I'm going for it. And she's asking us to bring these different things up, like moving between the ecstatic bliss of the pleasure of the cosmos and also any place where there's shame and any place where there's anything else. And what I found was that there was an impingement upon my dignity that was based on the fact that I still, up to that point, would occasionally watch porn, Vy would go to sleep, or actually it happened recently because she actually got injured falling off a horse, so it was
VYLANA: Didn't fall off the horse, the horse fell with me on it and slammed me into the ground and it hurt my ribs real bad.
AUBREY: Yeah, she hurt real bad.
VYLANA: It hurt real bad.
AUBREY: She was injured real bad.
VYLANA: I was injured bad.
AUBREY: So she was injured real bad.
BLU: Injured bad.
AUBREY: She was injured bad.
VYLANA: It was hard to walk. He was in Japan.
AUBREY: She was injured bad. And I have a tough time sleeping, like, my sexual expression, like, allows me to release a lot of energy, and allows me to go to sleep, in a way, and she's kind of out of commission. So she would fall asleep a little early, and I was like, damn, I'll take care of this myself. So, go online, watch some porn, take care of myself, and I don't feel it at the moment, but I know that somewhere, I'm participating in an energy of the commodification, not the authentic beauty of the feminine, but the commodification of the feminine for gratification. And even though I'm not like, I'm passively supporting that process, I'm still participating in it. And one ended up coming through me. And again, we've known participants, who are porn stars and it's not, it's not all this as people think it is like it's all forced and there's a lot of people who really celebrate that and celebrate their own erotic expression through that. And so I think it's important to not let it fall into all these stereotypes, but as a whole, there's a participation in it, which doesn't quite feel right to my own dignity. And also my own feelings towards a feminine. It's not like I'm lying to Vylana about it either. And like we have an issue about that either, but there in that in that ceremony, I found myself on the ground heard like pure purging like vomiting, nothing energetically, it was just spit and like suds coming out of my mouth ultimately and it was that that kind of part of my dignity that, that I wasn't able to carry because of what I knew about myself that I know is now going to open up even higher levels of pleasure that I'm available to access. And that's the kind of this magical alchemy that I could see happening where the ceiling on my dignity was then lifted because I made a deep avowal and commitment, like I'm done. That's a wrap. And I've played with that before, but I haven't had a strong enough, really, reason to do it. I couldn't feel it. It's like, I think this is probably, but I'm a passive participant. What's one more viewer on Pornhub? There's a very pragmatic way, he's like, who knows? It's alright, whatever. You can justify a lot of it, but to actually go through that purge process and feel how that energy actually was in me. Not to imagine that, yeah, it's probably not good for my energetic body, but to feel myself purge it. And then to also have that link to the understanding that not only do I want to purge this energy, but that's actually going to be linked to how much pleasure I allow myself to feel in the ecstatic sexual act. Then it became really, really clear. It was like, okay, and so it is. And so it is done and there's so much work that can be done by masters like Layla and so many masters that exist out there. I mean, she's definitely one of the best, but like this just a small vignette. About what is possible in this kind of container that can be set. It's just approaching these issues like head on, directly. And she wasn't asking any of that, and it wasn't like directing you, or it wasn't a vilification of pornography. It wasn't any of that. It was like, go in, feel inside yourself what's there, and actually purge what's there. And I'm not one to be riddled with, try to attack myself with shame. I don't have a puritanical upbringing or anything. Masturbation is never an issue with me, like never been part of my being, but I could feel that this was real and I feel myself move through it and that gave me actually like the ability to actually make a fundamental shift, which I know is going to deeply impact and I've already started to feel that weaving its way through into my life and I'm just like super grateful for that and I know, I don't know if you want to share it, but I know that you had it also your own powerful experience in the ceremony as well.
VYLANA: Yeah, in one of the expressions, we were kind of able, through breathwork and just like moving your body, to just sort of move these different kinds of shame plexes, I guess you could call it. And what I could actually feel that was a thing that I was carrying was, I had a very toxic relationship in my early twenties where it was brutal, but it was very driven by the makeup sex. And so there was actually this part of me that had a kink of like, I hate you, but like the fucking in the, I hate you. And it was like, so cross wired and twisted. And like, there was just some really interesting energy there for me that I've sort of been witness to aspects of, but my body was just moving itself just really naturally. And that's what I was feeling and being able to go through that full process where it was a full journey with breath and movement and many different things to really like purge the part of me that felt shame with myself for my own desire to like, hate fuck, essentially. And how in the same way that that was a ceiling on my dignity, because if I feel pleasured by this thing that I literally, and hate is a really strong word. I don't ever use that word towards anything, but the energetics of what I felt in that situation, I would name it that. And it's not a word that I use very loosely. But the intensity of the energetics, that's what it felt like. And there was a part of me that was ashamed for finding pleasure in something that was so brutal for me and continuing to allow it to unfold. Because I was addicted to that type of kink for whatever reason and ultimately, yeah, I was really able to just move it out through tears, move it out through coughing and it was a heavy energy. And just super beautiful just by going into a practice where there's no plant medicine involved. Everyone is in the same container of absolute vulnerability and willingness to fully go there without feeling judged by anyone else in the container or ashamed. Is this okay to do? Whatever. Like everyone really was just so committed and the shares afterward which I won't share, but it was so inspiring. It's like such an inspiring thing and a reason why including this song and this piece of art about the sacredness of your sexuality was an important part of the arc of the journey of Goddess Rise. Like if we are disconnected from this superpower that we have, like you're disabling yourself in a sense to fully coming online and allowing the goddess to speak and move through you because it is such a powerful force that you can literally just witness in Layla's embodiment. I mean, she walks into a room and you're like.
AUBREY: Yeah, she's like a constantly unfolding orgasm.
VYLANA: I mean, but like just her presence simply alone, like you feel how fully expressed she is and how she comes from the background that she comes from. She has severe trauma, which I don't know that she has spoken about publicly, so I'm not going to go there, but to know what her wounding is. And how she alchemized that into absolute power and being medicine for other people. That is goddess rise. She is the embodiment of the invitation completely. And so to be able to experience that container and just hear your guys experience too, it was potent for me.
AUBREY: Yeah. And I think another thing to just let people know is, we all have our own unique kind of kinoplex, you could call it the thing that turns us on and the idea is to try and straighten out all of our kinkplex. And so we're all just into vanilla, some like some upside down incepted way of getting everybody back to puritanical sexual values or anything like that. It's not that, but what Vy and I were talking about is actually shame, but also shame that was founded in something that we knew wasn't actually healthy. It was not actually creating, it was actually adding to the human suffering. Our own human suffering and the collective suffering in some way. It was participating in an energy that actually increased suffering versus pleasure. And I think that's the differentiation between whether it's something that's going to be offering something negative or positive to the world, like whatever your kink is, if that is expressed in consensuality and is that if that's actually bringing more aliveness and awareness, beautiful, like the goal isn't to purge all of that out, like purge your attraction to this thing or that thing or your power exchange dynamics or all of that. I think Vy and I have experienced the deeply, deeply potent medicine of even extreme power exchange dynamics like what's possible in that, which is when you talk about kink, that's like on like the square in the middle of what people would think about in that kind of 50 shades of gray type of world of kink and how beautiful that is. And that doesn't come up when you're actually doing the real work. It's the thing that isn't quite right. The thing that this is actually not healthy, and your body knows it. And so if your mind tries to think about it and then you'll just be adding a layer of your own puritanical values to what you should or shouldn't be attracted to. That's not it. It's like something that you know deep inside. And that's different for everybody
BLU: That enriches and that depletes.
AUBREY: Yeah, exactly.
BLU: Over the long term.
AUBREY: Exactly. Well, it's my absolute honor, love, and pleasure to have both of you in my family, and I say it all the time, but I don't think I would do hardly anything that I do if it wasn't ultimately to know that I was serving the goddess as the goddess was embodied in women and men and the whole collective, if it wasn't for my reverence for that. I would have no motivation at all to do fucking anything and I'd probably just check out. It wouldn't really be worth it for me to be here. So thank you for being the reason for me to want to fight and love and grow and be better. And thank you for also making my life something that's really worth living in all the ways. And so I love you guys both so much and deeply appreciate you and I'm here as you both know to the very end. And for everybody “Goddess Rise” available now, the full album out on spotify up on youtube the sensors might try to come after it, but we won't let them. We won't let them. So it'll be up there. So also Vylana.com is a great place to go and access resources for the album. Blu, is your podcast going to be in season when this comes out in November?
BLU: I don't know when this comes out in November. Possibly season three, Deja Vu podcast. It's going to be hot. The actual release date, we don't have an official date yet. So.
AUBREY: It might be there.
BLU: Yeah, it might possibly. But more so, let's just send all the energy towards it. It's a big deal. Don't walk, run. It's a big deal. And I had a moment listening to one of your songs when I was going through it. And when it Phoenix came out and it had the ability to alchemize a sad emotion into a happy one by the end of the song. I was like, that is medicine music. That's when you know it has the frequency of the ability to alchemize what was once led into gold. So like I said, don't walk, run, go and get your hands. Well, I just don't really get your hands on things anymore. It's more so all just digital, but you know what I mean. It's important. Go do yourself a favor.
VYLANA: Thank you. Yes, a full visual album out on YouTube, that tells the whole story, has all of the music and really potent invocations and declarations on behalf of the feminine. And yeah, my ultimate vision, now that the music and the art is out is, I see this as the seed of something that is much greater than just the art. I see it as the seed that has already been planted in Iran and the revolution that's happening of women. feeling this in their DNA and ready for this massive shift within themselves and in the presence and love and support of their sisters. And eventually my website will have a whole portal. If this music, if this art inspires you, triggers you, activates you, any kind of energetic shift that you feel in your being and you want to do something about it, this is where you can go. These are the offerings that I'm going to have. These are the offerings, like I'm not going to be everyone's cup of tea. And I recognize that. And ultimately my desire is to just be my own unique medicine and serve in the ways that I know how through my art and my message. But this is where you can go to connect with all the powerful sisters in my field who are doing this work, who are embodying these codes. Blu, Layla, Caitlyn, there's Emily Fletcher, there's gonna be so many women that are going to be featured on my site as soon as we build it out so that you have the resources to go somewhere and to act on what the art and the music may bring up for you. And so with all the love in my heart, this is the greatest way that I've ever known how to serve has been through the initiation and the process of the creation of this. And it is my deepest honor and excitement to share it with the world. So if you feel inspired, go listen to it. And I'd imagine that it will be in some way moving and activating and it's been the greatest gift to be able to share this with you.
AUBREY: Who doesn't want some Vylana Huasca? Let's go. Love you guys. Thanks for tuning in.