When someone claims that they can remember their past lives and everything that happened in between… My skeptic alarm lights up like a Christmas tree. But I started listening to Matías De Stefano, and it wasn’t just WHAT he was saying, but HOW he was saying it that got me curious. With humor and precision he explains our nine dimensional cosmology, which mirrors exactly what I have experienced in my psychedelic journeys. After podcasting and spending a few days with him… It was settled. I believe him. I invite you to listen with an open mind and enjoy the ride… the portal you’re about to experience may take you places you didn’t remember you’d been, until now. He may be the most profound underappreciated resource we have on this planet right now and I’m grateful to have access to his remembering.

AUBREY: Matias, I've been looking forward to this conversation for a long time. I'm glad you're here. Thanks for coming.

MATIAS: Thank you for inviting me.

AUBREY: So I always default to things, a little bit skeptical. I'm open minded but I'm always skeptical, because I've seen a lot of people who pretend they have access to a lot of information. They claim to be a certain thing. I listen to what they say and it doesn't sound quite right. But every once in a while, there's someone who what they say just resonates and I feel it as truth in my body, like if someone was playing a guitar that was in tune, and it just sounds right. When you described the nine-dimensional cosmology, it mirrored everything that I felt in my bones from 22 years of psychedelic journeys, especially the last 12 years of ayahuasca experiences. What you were saying made sense and I had corollaries to visions that I'd had and experiences and a felt sense of things, and I was like, "All right, maybe this guy Matias is telling the truth. Maybe he really does remember his past lives." So tell us about that. When did you first realize that you could remember existences beyond this current one, as Matias De Stefano.

MATIAS: I'm glad that you could feel it, that you could resound. Well, what you say about the dimensions, there are many ways of explaining things. So sometimes, depending on the people you explain, in one way or another. I used to say that I didn't have the truth. I have seen one slice of it and I share it. No one really has the complete truth, it is impossible. This is a puzzle--

AUBREY: Well, because only everyone and everything can have the complete truth. That's the reason for the whole thing. All the different perspectives.

MATIAS: Exactly, yeah. So that's why we need to share them so we can complete the puzzle. I was also born in a family that was skeptical, no religion at all. Nothing. All atheists. No spirituality, nothing. So for me, for my family, for my environment, it was always me being very creative, creative, very imaginative. I was telling these stories that I remember from other times, from other dimensions, from other places, but I didn't call it dimensions or lives. I just was telling what I knew. And for them it was like, "Oh, so interesting."--

AUBREY: Just a really creative boy.

MATIAS: That was it. So, in my family, no one ever told me, "Shut up. Don't say these things," or, "Don't share that," because there was no cultural background to tell what was wrong.

AUBREY: So it's almost better that your family wasn't religious or Catholics, because they would have probably tried to smash what was happening. And it's probably why you chose them as a family too.

MATIAS: Yeah, of course. I just had that environment that was nice, and was good for me. So when I started to explain, to share what I had, it was natural for me to tell my mom, also to my companions in class at school. There was a teacher that saw the aura so I was talking to her all the time. It was not a complicated thing for me to accept. Really, what I felt was that that was normal, that everyone was like this, but nobody could remember that they were like that. When I was growing up, I understood that I was different, but not because I was special, but because I just had the environment that allowed me to keep that alive.

AUBREY: I don't know, man. I had the environment that would have allowed me to keep that alive. I can't remember any past lives. Why do you think you had the access? It seems like that's part of the agreement. Part of the agreement is we forget so that we can remember. But you were like, "Nah, I'm not signing that agreement. I'm coming in, and I'm remembering." I think that's important, because we need this information. But why you?

MATIAS: We usually put a very heavy weight, on a cultural aspect and a religious aspect, regarding if someone makes us forget, or if we should remember or something like that. My guides, my inner self usually tried to tell me reality is much easier and the best way to understand the universe is to know how biology works. So if you go to your body, you will understand what is happening in the entire cosmos. It's almost the same.

AUBREY: Like what Rumi said, "We are not a drop in the ocean. We are the ocean in a drop. So if you want to know the ocean, look at your drop."

MATIAS: Exactly, yeah. So when you look in yourself, you will see that you're made of many cells, thousands of cells, and each one is specified in different--

AUBREY: Trillions of cells.

MATIAS: Trillions. Each one of them is specified in specific actions. So there is one in the liver that is acting to process some food, there is the neuron to share information, and so on. There are specific neurons dedicated to memory and there are specific neurons dedicated to the heartbeat, sorry, and also cells. So cells, neurons, everything inside the body is specified in different stuff. What would happen if every cell once said, "We want to be like the heart"? So you die. You don't exist anymore. So we need to be different. Some of us need to remember, it is in our nature. And for others, their nature is not to remember so they can work in what they are doing, in their organs.

AUBREY: So what you're saying is you're looking at all of life as one organism, and the specialization of the cells, just like we have in our body; some cells in this organism of the universe are designed to remember and some are designed not to remember, and that's how it all works--

MATIAS: But we all have memory, that's for sure because cell regeneration, the cells know what to do. They know the path, they know inside the inner truth, because we all come from the same cell, the mother cell. So all the cells has the entire information, but they know how to activate specific information, otherwise, the organ will die. So there are a lot of people that need to hold that organ in order for the rest to work. That's why not all of us can remember, just some. But the thing is that there are many that remember, there are thousands, it's not me. There are thousands of neurons dedicated to memory. But maybe thousands of them, they don't have a voice. They are not in programmes. But they are there.

AUBREY: Interesting. So tell us about, specifically, when did you start realizing and remembering specific lives, not just the stories, but you started to have an understanding, like, "Okay, I lived here and Khem, I lived here in this place." Tell us about some of these existences that you started to remember yourself existing in.

MATIAS: The first time that I started to remember was when I was 11-12 years old, I don't know exactly, but it was that age. It was history class at school. I was in school in Argentina. The teacher gave us a paper with ancient civilizations, 3000 BCE and so on, the origin of Egypt and that. I was looking at it and I started to have a headache and I couldn't see the pyramids as it was in the picture. I saw it in a very different way. I couldn't see the sphinx as it was. I saw everything completely differently. I was standing, observing that in the body of a woman and besides me was my partner and I was worried about something. So that was my first memory.

AUBREY: Almost like a flashback experience.

MATIAS: Yes, yeah. It's like when you realize that you had a trauma and suddenly you said, "Oh, this is why I cannot do this or that." It was like that flashback and a very heavy headache. So it started like that, and all was emotional, emotions, emotions. Sometimes people think that I started to remember ancient civilizations. No, I remember my son, my husband, my mother, my grandmother, my family, my friends. And through them, I could understand the environment. So it was not that I was just remembering data, I was remembering emotions. The first thing that I remember was emotions. Through the emotions, I could understand the culture, the language, everything that was happening there. Since I was 12 years old, I started to live parallel lives, like this life here and the other one that I was remembering everyday like it was alive. I was living that life in parallel, but sometimes I remember when I was a child, sometimes when I was an adult, and suddenly some flashes came from other ages from other times that I couldn't really understand or explain. Norway 900 years ago, or suddenly another planet in another completely different system. It started to be worse and worse. I say worse, because I couldn't focus on this reality. I couldn't keep going with my studies normally. Sometimes, I was forgetting who my mom was, her name, because I knew so many others. It was really confusing and chaotic. That was the first life which was in Khem, now called Egypt. And after that, when I was 16 years old--

AUBREY: And what time period was Khem?

MATIAS: Khem was around 12,000 years ago.

AUBREY: Before the flood or after the flood?

MATIAS: It was in the middle because it was an Atlantean colony before the flood. And then it became a country by itself after the flood.

AUBREY: And a lot of the information that you have was from that civilization, because that's the civilization that actually, you went to history class in that civilization, like you did in this civilization to learn about Atlantis, right?

MATIAS: Everything in the universe is so aligned. So it was prepared for me to see that image in that moment, specifically, because when I was 12 years old, in that time, in that life, my dad died. I was in charge of his work, basically from 12 years old. So that's why I was so worried because I was only 12 and I was in charge of a village completely. All that situation there was like pushing me to understand the whole civilization, the whole thing. The main thing that happened for me here is that at 12 years old, I see the image of the same thing that I saw when I was 12 years old, worried. So it's like a memory cell of something that tells me this is the story you need to remember, this is the story that will help you to understand what is happening now. Also, because in time, 12,000 years ago and now, today, is a straight line in time. So it's easier to connect with that timeline to know what is happening now because it's the mirror time of what happened 12,000 years ago. So also because of that, I had to remember that moment or I was able to remember that.

AUBREY: We're about to dive into the nine dimensions. As your understanding of the nine dimensions is, is that largely from this life that you had in Khem and the teachings and understandings you had there or is it pulled from many of your other different lives?

MATIAS: Well, it's like this: when we were in Chem, we were taught about all this, but in a very different way, because it has a very cultural and religious point of view. So the nine dimensions were called the Nine Tears of Mahas. That was the main god. The way in which they were spread was through sound and music. The explanations were very human. When I started to remember all this, for me it was like, I had no idea what was happening, I had no idea what all this information was about. When I was 16 years old in this life, I was so lost, so scared that, suddenly, I started to feel my higher self coming inside the room, and everything started to change. He said his name, his vibration, and touched my third eye. In that moment, I could feel the dimensions, everything expanding everywhere. It's like having ayahuasca, taking ayahuasca but without ayahuasca, just with the higher self. It was a trip , it was immense. In that moment, beyond time, beyond lives, beyond experiences in my past lives--

AUBREY: You just had the truth.

MATIAS: I could connect that and it was the network, it was like connecting the dots. So I could--

AUBREY: So it wasn't necessarily from a memory of a particular existence, it was your higher self downloading, basically, this information, giving you access to it. When you say the higher self, what does that mean to you? We'll probably land there in our nine-dimensional map but, to you, what is the higher self? What is that? 

MATIAS: Well, to put it in a human word, religious people say God, and science people say is the sun. So let's call the god sun. So both of them are the same thing. But both of them are on the one thing that shines. So this shiny thing has many rays of light that go everywhere. So every ray of light is what we call a higher self, which is a high expression of the divine, but in different perspectives.

AUBREY: Different articulation?

MATIAS: Yeah, so it's like the rays of the sun, then the rays of the sun, they are made up with information, which are the photons, the particles of light, so that's what we could call the souls. The souls are the ones that bring information from one place to another, going through everything. So photons. When it finds crystals, like water, like some carbon or something like this, the ray of light divides itself in different harmonies, in different frequencies so you can see the rainbow. So the rainbow is like different lives, like different aspects of the self. For example, me, Matias, is one of them, one of those colors.

AUBREY: One frequency, one color.

MATIAS: Exactly. So I am one of those colors, but I have six more around. Let's say more, let's say 11 more than me, because it's 12 colors, actually. So there are 11 people that are part of my higher self, which is one ray of light from the sun, which is God. So if you multiply that for every ray of the sun, you have millions, trillions of higher selves that express themselves in different personalities or frequencies that we call me or you. So where we are is basically a distortion projected from the light, distorted projection from the light. And that's the higher self.

AUBREY: We have some connotations around distorted, it doesn't mean bad. Distorted doesn't mean wrong--

MATIAS: No, it doesn't. A rainbow is beautiful.

AUBREY: A way in which some obstruction, some obstruction, the light hits it like a prism almost, that actually creates the--

MATIAS: We actually call darkness to the things that distort because darkness is like the structure that allows the light to be different. So the light goes straight and something, some heavy structure, divides it in different parts that creates what we see. The distortion is usually seen something bad, like darkness, but actually it's part of the light, is a part of the system that allows the pure light to understand itself on different levels.

AUBREY: So to get this clear, so far, you are a particular frequency, or a particular spectrum that has been projected, after it's been splashed into some density, which creates this distortion, this projection. But you're also the photon, which is the messenger that actually comes and splashes into the prism to create that. And then you're also the ray of light that's coming from the source of God or the sun. So this is how we were ourselves, and then also higher self and then also God as well, because we're all connected to the same sun. Like atman is brahman, they say, in certain like, we are the Godhead, and also a physical body. I'm Aubrey. You're Matias. We're both of those things at the same time, which I think creates a lot of paradoxes for people because they try to pretend that, okay, this is the truth and this is not the truth. Well, it's all the truth. It just depends on which dimensional reality exactly you're looking at. Yeah, it's true. This is me right here. If I clap my hands, it makes it sound, I get it. And also, I'm my higher self, and also, my higher self is also part of probably what you would call maybe an oversoul or archangels, or part of bigger constructs, and then that's part of also the divine. So this is a great segue to now explain where all of these things are through the nine-dimensional map, because that was really helpful for me. But I think it's nice that we started personal with that. So where would you like to start? Would you like to start with the ninth and go back down or would you want to start with the first and go up?

MATIAS: Well, it's easier to start, I guess, from the one we know, which is the third, and then we can spread. The first thing, as a concept, that we have to understand about dimension is that dimension means two measurements, two measures. That's the word dimensions. ‘Di’ from Latin, two; and ‘mension’ which is measured in Latin. So this means two ways of measuring one thing, that's a dimension, meaning that only one thing is split in two, so now you have two points of view of the same thing. A dimension basically is different perspectives or, at least, two different perspectives of only one thing, meaning that every dimension is not separate from the other. But it's a different measurement of only one thing. We usually say this is the third dimension, and there is a fourth dimension and there is a fifth dimension. We have to leave the third dimension in order to leave the fourth or the fifth. But it's not like that. It doesn't work like that. A dimension is basically like staring at the world. You have the planet. And the states, here where we are, we are watching it towards one dimension. And then we have Argentina in the South watching another dimension, or on the other side of the planet, in Australia, another.  We have different points of view on only one thing. We are staring at different skies. Some of the stars that we see in the south are not the same stars that you see in the north. This doesn't mean that if someone from the north goes to the south and says, "Hey, Polaris is the star that shows the north," and we in the South would say, "Where is it? We don't see it. It doesn't exist." So a different dimension is basically two points of view that never see each other, but they are part of the same thing. Believe it or not, if there is another dimension, for me, is weird, because actually, we all have different points of view. We can see it like that in this case. So the third dimension is not a different thing from the other dimensions. The third dimension is basically a dimension where everything has three points of view. We call this the third dimension because we have high, depth and wide; that's three. And high, wide and deep, are called like this in space and in time, we call it past, present and future. So only in the third dimension, exists the concept of past, present and future. Only in the third dimension exists the concept of high, wide and depth. Because we are three, we have three points of view. When you add a fourth, a fourth vision of that, you have eternity, because there is a fourth line that connects past, present and future.

AUBREY: Timelessness. 

MATIAS: Exactly. That's the fourth dimension. So what is the fourth dimension? Add one line to this triangle and you will connect the three. So suddenly, there is an easier way to connect what is wide and depth, for example. So it's very difficult to understand the fourth dimension from the third dimension. The only way is a dream. When you dream, things happen without time, without space. Sometimes you just turn around and you're in a different country, in a different place and in a different time with a different body. So the fourth dimension is like that all the time, it's like if you are dreaming. So when you dream, you are living the fourth dimension, your mind is prepared to understand the fourth dimension but we are not designed right now to live it.

AUBREY: Alright, so let me explain an experience I had and let's see if this resonates with what you would call the fourth dimension. So I was at Burning Man and at Burning Man, I do a lot of psychedelics, I party and I have fun. This night was my night off so I was not doing anything that night. My body was tired, I was just resting and I was actually near Vylana, my wife, at that time. She wasn't my wife at that time but we were sleeping in the same bed. And there was this activation that happened. It was a very interesting activation. I won't go into details but that was a part of it. My past partner, Whitney, was a part of it. Sobriety was a part of it. But in any case, in that moment, I felt my consciousness traveled to a place where it was like I was in the black. It was in the black, almost like the void but anything that I wanted to come to me would just come to me. If I wanted to be in a place, the place was there. If I wanted to talk to someone, that person was there. It was like I was in this quantum reality, that's how I would describe it, where the moment that I thought of something, that thing was with me. If I thought of something else, that thing was with me. Everything was accessible in this one place and it felt like a place that I would go maybe when I died, I didn't understand. Is that what an experience of the fourth dimension, where you can call visions and experiences that would be in the third dimension but I could just bring them to me instantly in that place?

MATIAS: There are two things here, if you felt free on calling them, you were connected through the fourth dimension to the eighth dimension.

AUBREY: Cool.

MATIAS: But if you are not free to control that, you are just in the fourth dimension, because the fourth dimension is controlled by the third dimension and the eighth is not.

AUBREY: I was free. 

MATIAS: Yeah. So that connects you to any link of information in the eighth dimension. In the eighth dimension, you can understand anything, because just by thinking about it, but you can understand the point of view of yourself, but also the point of view of a fly.

AUBREY: Okay, so check this out. This is interesting. In this experience at Burning Man, I felt like I was free to choose what experience that I wanted to have. Maybe I didn't have the awareness that I could choose something more extrasensory and a bigger choice, like, I want to understand the universe, I want to understand... I was just talking to people, I was just going to cool places. I was like, "I wonder what the Aurora Borealis looks like," and be like... 

MATIAS: And there it is.

AUBREY: Yeah, fucking cool. I was free to do that but it was very much like a third-dimensional experience. In my iboga journey, so iboga is another powerful psychedelic from Gabon in Africa and it really seems to vibrate your whole body at a much, much higher frequency and this is one thing that you use to explain access to these other dimensions is vibrating at a higher frequency helps you understand and access these other dimensional realities... In that experience, after I went through a lot of personal emotional stuff and things about myself and difficult experiences, I had about five hours where I could literally ask any question and understand it impeccably. And you said that about a fly, because I asked, "I wonder what it's like to be a bee." And I went straight into bee vision and I was seeing the world like a bee and I was going to collect pollen but all the time, I could feel the Queen. It was all about the queen, I was serving the queen. I was so connected to her. My entire life's purpose was to serve this one being. And I was like, "Whoa, that's what it's like to be a bee!" I could feel all of these interesting. They were far beyond what my knowledge of the third dimension could be. So that sounds more like what you're saying in the eighth dimension. Also, I could understand what’s God. It showed me this amazing vision of God is this blue being. And obviously He was trying to explain it to me, so it had to use--

MATIAS: Yeah, that's eight dimensions. 

AUBREY: So this blue being and then it was this blue being, and the blue being was still. And then the blue being decided to move and it decided to move and the blue being started running in an elliptical shape. And then, all of a sudden, it split into all of these other blue beings and all of the other blue beings were going and then everything was wearing around and all of them were making a sound. Collectively it made this deafening all sound of all of these different fractal gods and I was like, "Whoa, fuck!" It was this amazing explanation of, to my answer of, "What is God?" That, to me, sounds like either I had the awareness and the time and the patience to access real eighth-dimensional knowledge or maybe I was accessing it in just a cleaner way or something depending on the experience that I had.

MATIAS: Yeah, it's dependent on the experience and the culture through where you are heading to that you will access the same data, the same feeling, because what you feel about these blue beings running around is protons and neutrons. It's the same. But it's not that magic when you explain protons.

AUBREY: Right. If they were to show me protons, I would have been like, "Come on! I want a blue guy that looks like Zeus!" That looks like God to me.

MATIAS: These different points of view are all in the eighth dimension, which tells you everything is true. Every point of view that you could have is true. It's the freeway to understand the fourth dimension. Usually people want to go, I don't know why everyone wants to go to the fifth one.

AUBREY: It's good marketing for the fifth one. It's like Austin. It's pretty cool but it's got great marketing.

MATIAS: It's a good marketing for other dimension. So the thing is that everyone wants to go there. Somehow, I don't know. But the fifth dimension is the expansion of light or awareness of the third and the fourth. So you cannot be in the fifth dimension if you don't enjoy the other two. It's impossible, because it's the full awareness of the other two.

AUBREY: A lot of people try to escape the third because they don't enjoy it and go to the fifth. But what you're saying is that doesn't work.

MATIAS: You cannot be in the fifth dimension if you don't enjoy the third. Sorry. I'm so sorry to say. But that's how it works. The fifth dimension is the awareness of every vibration and light of your molecules in this body. So if you don't feel your body, completely aware, you will not feel the awareness of the fifth dimension. That's why enlightenment is not going to the sky, it's to shine. That ascension is another thing, is completely another thing. So to go to the fifth dimension, you have to shine from the third and to understand every possibility that you have in the fourth, which is the time and all the things that you are in a third dimension. For example, third dimension is this, as I said, wide, depth and high, past, present, and future. So when you are in the fourth dimension, for the fourth dimension, you are not anymore your body here and now. You are the first cell, you are a reptile from millions of years ago, you were a fish, you were a dinosaur.

AUBREY: I was a triceratops, for sure.

MATIAS: Good. I love triceratops. They're my favorite. 

AUBREY: Me too. They're my favorite too.

MATIAS: Maybe we were in the same family.

AUBREY: For sure. In the same herd of triceratops.

MATIAS: The same herd. Yeah. So the thing is that you were many things. And your water was in many trees through thousands of years, were in rivers, in the ocean, and then they end up being your blood, every drop of water. So you were so many things that in the fourth dimension, you can access to the data that your cells had about all that. All your evolution, through millions of years, is encoded there in his body. So in the fourth dimension, you can feel it, you can be that, because there's no past, present and future that you have to follow. You can go through all of them at the same time. There is no need to go up or down or make any effort in the fourth dimension, because going down, going up is the same because there's no high, depth and wide.

AUBREY: Yeah, there's no time.

MATIAS: And no space. So what happens in the fifth dimension, is when you locate yourself in the core of all that, see around and say, "Oh, this is all me." So I can feel, be and become aware of all that. That's why the fifth dimension is called the dimension of the masters. It's not because people study a lot and they are able to escape the third dimension and all the matrix and all these kinds of things and they are free in the fifth dimension, guiding humanity to become whatever. No, they just realize that they were everything so they accomplished to be in the fifth dimension, because they simply are and acknowledged that they are, that we are that cell, that drop of water, the leaf of the tree that we are.

AUBREY: So I had an experience, the only times I've ever experienced someone who felt to me like a living ascended Master, you could call them or an enlightened being. That was with Don Miguel Ruiz. I don't know if you're familiar with him. He's written some books like "The Four Agreements", "Mastery of Love". I went to go to a workshop with him in Mexico. When I went to see him, the moment I saw him was one of the moments that changed my life forever. Because he looked at me, and he looked at me like he'd known me and loved me his whole life. We'd never met, never even talked. He'd known me, he'd loved me his whole life. And he hugged me like it was a reunion with his long lost brother or son or who, somebody, it was this warmth and expression of life. And every moment that I saw him throughout that whole week, yeah, he talked about a lot of interesting things, but I don't really remember all the interesting things. I remember the hug that he gave me. I remember when every night he would sip a little glass of his red wine and he would look out at the sunset and the way that he would look at the world was like he was looking at it for the first time, and there was this inner radiance that was just like pure bliss, in this pure bliss.I guess that's what you're kind of saying, which is this acceptance of all of life. He'd gone through some difficult, I think a serious heart condition and a bunch of... You've been in hospital, he's not always had an easy existence, he's gone through difficult things and beautiful things, and his sons and his divorces and marriages and lived this life, but the way he was living, was in such a rapture of existence. It was an unshakable rapture of existence. A lot of people who talk about Ram Dass say the same thing. He says amazing things, of course, but it's the presence of that. That sounds to me kind of like what you're describing about fifth dimensional consciousness is just absolutely being in love with life.

MATIAS: Yeah, that's being in the fifth dimension. I describe being in the fifth dimension, like being an electron inside a cable. It seems weird, but it's the most incredible feeling. Because you don't care about what is the information that is going through you, you feel the wave. When you are here, in this reality and you cannot see how the microcosmos works, everything is about this or that or going there or going away from somewhere--

AUBREY: It's preference, judgment, craving aversion. It's all of these different things.

MATIAS: It's normal for this dimension because in this dimension, we are meant to do that, to experience, because here we polarize things in order to create things. Without polarity, you cannot create. So that's why we need to learn a lot about polarity in the third dimension, in order to manifest, to create what we are doing. But when we go to the tiniest dimension, we go to the first dimension, the one... Then I will align them. When we go to the first dimension, the one dimension, what happens is that you recognise that it's not about this or that, it's not about going somewhere or doing something. It's about just letting be that something become that and without the judgment or the discernment of this or that, because there's no second dimension, it is one, unity. Because you cannot see those two things, you stare at everything as it is, as perfect. That feeling is what you have in the fifth dimension once you accomplish to understand, fully understand and enjoy the fourth and the third. It's not about leaving this world, it is not about ascending. It's not about leaving this matrix, it is about becoming the matrix, becoming this world, becoming this creation. When you do that, it is when you are able to feel what you felt from those people.

AUBREY: So free, just so free, because they're beyond this fear, the fear that happens of oh, I'm not going to get this thing that I want; or the craving, I really want this thing and then the fear that you're not. All of these different things that we're saddled with that we think are important, they were just there. And it felt like it wouldn't have mattered if a storm came or whatever. He would have dealt with it and handled it but nonetheless, there was just this love, love for being, for being in existence.

MATIAS: You could know who is close to the fifth dimension when you see someone staring and smiling at the funeral. There's no sadness like oh--

AUBREY: And even staring and smiling at their own impending funeral, right? It's like, oh, this is perfect too.

MATIAS: Perfect. Yeah.

AUBREY: There was a story that Krishna, East Forest is his musician's name, but he tells of Ram Dass, when he first met Ran Dass, they just sat across from each other and he was waiting for a long time and Ram Dass just looked at him and it's just peaceful bliss. This was after his aphasia. And then, finally, like 20 minutes later, just says, "Just this." Like just that silence was perfect. That was, again, this profound, "Yeah, this is so rich." Normally, for us, we sit... If me and you sat and looked at each other for 20 minutes, we'd be like, "Okay, what are we going to do here? Can we get some drinks or what is the plan?" But to be in that level of acceptance, anything, anything can be perfect.

MATIAS: Yeah. And I have to say, it's amazing but is boring. That's why we live in the third one. It's good when you go there, because, oh, this was it. Now let's go back. I want another round. That's why we reincarnate all the time. We are constantly in the same system. And there's a lot of people that usually think that is because we are trapped. And we are trapped because you feel that you are trapped. If you just decide to come back, because you enjoy it, you are not trapped, you are creating all the time, different things. So the fifth dimension is basically a state of understanding in which you can feel the sun and a proton in the same way, and you can see a person and a tree in the same way, and you can feel the same love for your mother or for a tree.

AUBREY: There's all these beliefs that are in our culture about, like you said, we're trapped, and we're trapped by our karma, and we have to keep reincarnating until we learn the lessons, and we're trying to ascend, and this is our goal. There's judgment in all of those different ways in which this isn't perfect, we're trying to get to a better place, we'll be a better person if we get to that better place, we're better if we get to the fifth dimension, but all of that is actually what prevents you from getting to that consciousness in the first place, is making all of these judgments about where you are.

MATIAS: We can talk about dimensions here but I think the person who explained better was Freud. We are mammals. And mammals, we grow inside a mother. We humans, we are nine months inside of the womb of a mother and when we get out, usually the father is expecting and we see the light.

So if you start to understand how biology works, you will see that you have been trapped inside a mother for nine months expecting to see the light of the father. Is not about God, is not about this reality. Is about mammals. If you go to another planet or not to another planet, you go to a seed, to a plant, they have a completely different view from what we understand. If you go to the mineral system, you don't have this issue. Only mammals have this issue because we were inside a mother. In Latin, the origin of the word mother is matrix. So when we say matrix, matrix is matrix means is the veil that covers you. That would be the mater is matrix, matrix. And then ather, father, the father, who is the father, means the path, the one that leads. So it's a line that leads you outside the mother. It's all vocabulary from a family. So that's why we call the father God, and mother Earth because we are mammals. But when you leave this planet, nobody understands what we are saying. The interdimensional concept of there is a mother, there is a father doesn't exist. So when you project the third dimension into the other dimensions, you are creating this idea of we are all trapped and we have to go through a long process of trying to be free from something that is holding us. And once we are free from that, we will be received by the light of the father and then we will be free. But suddenly the father says there are rules. You have rules because this is a home, and you have to take care of the home. And then you grow up and you acknowledge that the mother is just loving you. That's why it's trapping you in her love. You have some conflicts in psychology with that and then you understand that, oh, it's not that my mother was possessive, it was they're trying to protect me from something from outside. So I love my mother, and I forgive my mother and forgive my father. And suddenly, when I just started to hate my father too, because the rules of my father aren't allowing me to do my life, I decided to start my own path and stop believing in God and start to look within and look at my own truth and suddenly, I became that. I have my own kid, and I am mother or father and the creator of my own reality with my own rules, and it repeats and again, again. So sometimes we project into the universe things that only mammals have issues with.

AUBREY: Sounds like almost all the time we do it, not just sometimes. Because you basically described most of the world religions, especially the monotheistic religions from this paradigm. This is why we project. And also we project all of our judgments on to God. The way that we judge the world, we think that God is going to judge us, the Father is going to judge us like our father judged us and like we imprinted in ourselves. We're always projecting all of these things on our deities, on our ideas. We do it, not only with God, but we do it with simple things too. People do it with ayahuasca. People will project all types of feminine traits, "She's going to punish you for this." And I was like, "No, that's not her consciousness." But we'll protect that, because that's our idea of you've been a bad boy, you get punished. The mom's getting a wooden spoon and here it comes, and it's going to sting for a while, but she loves you. But you know, you get the wooden spoon for a little while.

MATIAS: And then you arrive in the ninth dimension, and you realize that there was no one there. It was only you all the time. Like what? What should I do now? That's why there are many ways to explain these dimensions, these realities. We can see it from the way of a human, of a mammal, or we can try to take away all the ideas of emotions that we project from religions, from culture, from our family, from our biological point of view and start to see it in a very neutral way in which there is no God, there is nothing and all that is there, is creation, that the perfection of all this is simply that it is. It's not that it is meant to be or it was something--

AUBREY: And no God and only God are the same thing? 

MATIAS: Yeah. It just depends on how you're using the word.

AUBREY: Uh-huh. Yeah.

MATIAS: The word God was meant to be something that described the light, and for the Spanish is Dios, the God of light. The origin of the word God comes from the only word in one ancient language that was Daeg. And Daeg means day. So the ancient people said Daeg, it's the day and during the day, you can see. So whenever there is the sun, you can see and you are protected because you know the horizon, you know where to go, all that. So it's good. The skies are good because the sun gives us light. So everyone was following the light, was following Daeg that became God and Dios in Spanish. But they were following the light. They were not following any God. They were following just what exists, what you can see. There was the opposite of it, which was the night. So they call it in a different way. They had these two balanced things that tells you, during the day, you can see, you can hunt, you can eat; during the night, the animals can eat you, you cannot see so you have to take care. So, during the day, you're brave. During the night, you're scared. And that, in our biology, in our cells, got stuck as the good and the evil. We create all this idea of good and evil that nature doesn't have. Because you see nature, they don't have it. If you think that evil is the one that kills, you shouldn't have cats or you would hate lions or stuff like that because they kill, but otherwise, no, it's nature. So why we accept that that's nature and we don't accept that we are creating something that doesn't exist as good and bad as the system in the universe? It's not that it doesn't exist as practical things, as a structural thing. As a structural thing, it doesn't exist.

AUBREY: It just seems like we're all building our own understanding of God. There's a word, but there's probably as many meanings of that word as there are people. So we created this idea. We could talk about God and just totally not be communicating with somebody else at all because we have a completely different definition, and somebody else has a completely different definition. There is a way to say about God that God is the good, God is the one that cares about love. So someone intentionally hurting somebody else is not acting in accordance with that version of God. Because if God is loving and aware and good, then hurting somebody on purpose, which actually animals, pretty much don't do; they just do what they do. They're not intentionally malicious. But humans have that unique ability because of our free will--

MATIAS: Of decide, yes.

AUBREY: But still, you have to be in delusion, you have to be unaware. To actually hurt somebody on purpose, you have to be blind, because you have to see them as separate from you–

MATIAS: That's why you cannot see the light because you are not in the day, because you're not able to see--

AUBREY: So you're blind. So that's why you're not with God, the God that we're talking about. We're blind to the fact that if I hurt you, I'm hurting me by living a different life. 

MATIAS: Exactly.

AUBREY: And that's why you're not in God because you're not able to see. This actually might segue a bit to the sixth dimension, because the sixth dimension is where we get some of the delusion and some of the shadow that actually allows us to learn to see the perspective comes through. So, why don't we go into that explaining the sixth dimension?

MATIAS: The sixth dimension is the creator itself as a creator acting as a creator. The sixth dimension is the one that takes all the ideas, all the feelings, everything and starts to manifest a different thing from it. It's like manufacture, when you take the main material from a rock, the sixth dimension would be the guy sculpting the rock to make a shape, a sculpture. So, the process of the sixth dimension is not really like lightning for us, because it breaks the shapes of the original shape, takes the light and, in the sixth dimension, turns it into a rainbow, which means it also takes a being and divide into different beings; takes the body and divides it into different organs; takes a triangle and divide it into fractals, so you have a sphere. The sixth dimension is the one transforming the main things into completely different stuff, which means that is the creator and also the one that distorts the main thing. So that's why the sixth dimension is where, if we could use very human religious words, is the dimension where the archangels exist and they are working in the light and in the darkness at the same time. They can see and also they can transform the shapes that they see into something completely different, like in a distorted image. We are a distorted image of an archangel, we are a distorted image of a cell. Without distortion, we wouldn't exist. So it's because of the sixth dimension and its way of distortion of the main truth that you can see the universe and enjoy the reality.

AUBREY: So a great ayahuasca shaman, Maestro Alberto, who taught Maestro Hamilton, explained to me that the demons, all demons, were simply a delusion. That's all demons were, they were a delusion, they were the way that they fogged your sense, clogged your mind, didn't allow you to see the light or the truth. 

So in this sixth dimension, there's the archangels working in the light, and maybe is it the same Archangels that you would call the demons that are working to distort and cloud the mind?

MATIAS: No, the demons are in the fourth dimension.

AUBREY: The demons are in the fourth dimension?

MATIAS: The demons are equally lost like we are.

AUBREY: So the demons don't know what they're doing. So they're doing their job without knowing that--

MATIAS: They're like dogs taking care of a house. Sorry for the--

AUBREY: But in the sixth dimension, it's all the archangels. They all know exactly what they're doing but the fourth dimension are beings that don't know what they're doing, they're lost and they're contributing to us being lost, because they're lost and they think that they're doing the right thing but they don't know?

MATIAS: Of course, yeah. it's it. If we described this as a house, as I said, the Archangel would be like the lord of the house, the one who that is the owner of the house and decides how to build a house, is the architect. So he says, I want this here, I will put this here. Then has the housekeeping. Housekeeping is from the fifth dimension: is the lady or the man that knows where everything is, that knows how to take care and clean everything and is the one that advises, "We would need to change these to these, so it works better." That would be the fifth dimension, then you have the fourth dimension, which is the dogs that take care, the cats that eat the mice--

AUBREY: Or rip up a couch, whatever. 

MATIAS: Yeah. So dogs and cats, in a house, they act by feeling. Sometimes they do bad things but not because they want to do bad things, but because they think that what they are doing is okay.

AUBREY: Yeah, like one of our cats, Cyrano, he took a shit in the washing machine and when I was taking out the clothes and I put them over my head, one giant shit fell right on my head. He didn't know he was doing that.

MATIAS: He was normal. Here, you do the cleaning. So it's normal. That's how demons act, like, "Oh, look, that's a shitty people. So let's put some shit there."

AUBREY: They're finding resonance with. And that's, I think, an important thing that people, people get very afraid, in spiritual work, they get very afraid of the demons, very afraid of these dark energies. But the dark energies aren't going to, and I really talk to my sister, Blu, who's a medicinewoman, about this, they're not going to bother you, if you don't have resonance with their energy. They're not going to possess you like in a movie, like, all of a sudden, you're this really good person, pure being and, all of a sudden, a demon possesses you.

MATIAS: The universe is all about frequencies. So imagine that every reality and every being is like a radio station. So you can tune yourself in the frequency that you want to hear. If you don't like some messages of someone that is constantly talking about bad things, so you just change the radio. And that's it. But in order to do that, you have to tune yourself into a new frequency so you can hear new messages. But if you are always listening to the same radio station and you complain about what you hear... Demons are going to control your life because you are allowing them to control your life. Demons are not bad people. They are just doing what they are supposed to do, which is distorting.

AUBREY: And bad entities.

MATIAS: They are distorting everything and their job is to distort light so we can have things.

AUBREY: Delusions.

MATIAS: Exactly. If you are in the path of putting things together, demons will be against you, but not against you because you're on the opposite side but because you have something that they are supposed to divide. It's like telling the DNA inside of your cells, "I'm going to the unity. Don't divide. Don't divide." It's impossible because they are meant to divide. So the demons are doing that. They create division, because they were made to do so. They were meant to do that mission. So when someone starts to unify things, for the demons it's like, "Hey, what are you doing? You are ruining my job." And the other ones say, "No, but we have to go all together again, why?" They won't agree. Because they don't understand--

AUBREY: And that tension is part of creation, right? It's part of everything?

MATIAS: Yeah, of course. The Earth wouldn't spin if there is no polarity. So this polarity of division and unity must exist in order to create life. There is no life without division. So the job that they have is to divide. As for the people that work in the consciousness is to unify. It happened to me when I understood that, when I remembered that. I just started to thank every demon for what they were doing. And suddenly, they stop fighting because they say, "Oh, so I'm doing fine?" Because I say I will keep doing this here, unifying these things but thank you for all your job of dividing it because now I know what I have to unite.

AUBREY: I have had so many experiences of this and, fortunately, I've had good teachers who helped point me in this way. Again, Maestro Alberto, Maestro Hamilton said, "You don't fight the demons. You love the demons and thank them." Because otherwise, you'll fight them perpetually. You'll never win that fight. That's what they're built for. They got all the time, they're in the timeless dimension, they got all the time in the world.

MATIAS: Fourth dimension, eternity. They can devour you for eternity.

AUBREY: And in these experiences, I had a deep and deep heavy and ayahuasca encounter with a huge demon, it looked like a world crusher, breaking worlds apart, which very much sounds like what they do. They divide, they're pulling things apart. And it was really fucking with me. Finally, the resolution was I went up to him, this giant demonic being, and I kissed him on the forehead and his eyes went like emoji heart eyes. And that was the resolution. And in dreams, I've had the same thing. I had a dream where I went into this house, I was like Van Helsing with all these witch hunters, we were slaying these demons and there was the main demon that I was supposed to slay. I cut him up into a bunch of pieces, and I threw his body into a fire, and the fire was going but I knew it wasn't right. And I knew that it wasn't going to work. I was stabbing it in the eye. It was a very violent dream. I was stabbing it in the eyes. I was trying to cut it into smaller pieces, but it reformed and then it reformed into this neon glowing being that I couldn't touch with my sword. I was swirling and I was upside down. I didn't know right from left. I was lost in this thing and I fought my way through through great pain and difficulty, and found my way and just embraced him with the most loving hug and then it just burst, and it burst and there was this loving, this being that was just like, "Whoa," and that feeling of love, like, "You're doing good and I love you," it ended the whole thing. That was the resolution. So what you're saying is something that I've felt and learned. And again, this is going back to the beginning. This is why when I was listening to you, it was like, "Yeah, this guy remembers his past lives." I'm like, "Yeah, whatever." And then I listened to what you're saying. And I was like, "Fuck, I know, this is true."

MATIAS: Past lives are just one thing.

AUBREY: Yeah, yeah, right. It was your higher self who came in and did that. But ultimately, just to go back to that, what I was saying at the beginning, this is why you're here now is because so many of these things that you're saying, I've had that experience. The same thing that you're saying, I've been there and I've done that and I know that's the only way. Alright, so we're in the sixth dimension, the architects of reality, the Archangels. When we talk about the archangels we talk about Michael and Raphael, are we close? Are we close to identifying them? Are some of the things that are in our culture kind of right?

MATIAS: Kind?

AUBREY: Yeah. 

MATIAS: Well, the thing is that we put a lot of Christianism upon them. This is a very old story from the Hebrew people, that was not even for Catholics and they took it from the Jew people. Archangel means the powerful messenger, that's what it means. So, it's a message of power, that's Archangel. So what they are, really, are different attributes of God, of the unity. So, you have for example, the light of God, it's an attribute, you can say Light of God, but in ancient Hebrew you would say “UR” light “IEL” of God. Uriel. The protector of God, “Mich-ael”, so the name's Michael. So the names of the archangels, like the medicine of God, “Rapha-el” are aspects, they are not people, they are not people with wings, they are attributes or aspects that emerge from the unity. So the medicine of God, the light of God, the power of God, the protector of God and so on, are all these different concepts that show so many attributes of the unity. These beings are actually creating with their power, the frequencies, the messengers, the frequencies that create everything. So their sound, their vibration, are molding the entire creation. It's not that they're people with wings that we call Archangels. They're attributes of the creator that you can activate within you, like I am the medicine, I am the protector, I am the light, I am the path, I am life. Who said that? 

AUBREY: Jesus.

MATIAS: Yes, He was trying to embody every one of the names of God. He was not saying that he was the only one. He was saying that that's the only way you can embody God when you realize I am light, ‘Uriel’, I am the power, ‘Gabriel’ and so on. The archangels are not beings from outside. We are within them.

AUBREY: Could they be looked at as both though, in a certain way? Like they're within us and also, sometimes we feel like we can encounter them as separate. 

MATIAS: Yeah, of course. 

AUBREY: They're both within us and outside of us?

MATIAS: Fourth dimension.

AUBREY: Yeah, yeah, both at the same time. So all of this idea, and I think this is this constant question, like, are the beings that you see in ayahuasca, are they from you or are they from somewhere else? And I've always said, "Both." It's the wrong question.

MATIAS: In the universe, it is difficult to say this or that. In the universe, it's both but for me, right now, it's more this than that. That would be the answer, because it's impossible. When you have the entire creation, you can see that there is no this or that. And you can see that the seventh dimension that we didn't mention is the enlightenment, but in the enlightenment, there are beings of darkness too, Samael, for example. Samael is one of the attributes of God that, from the seventh dimension, loaded all the information of enlightenment to the sixth dimension and was the first attribute of the universe creating by itself in a separate way. That's what we call Satan, he was Samael. This being was one of the attributes of the Divine, that was called the most beautiful light, or the one that carries the light with him.

AUBREY: Lucifer. 

MATIAS: Lucifer. Lux ferous, who takes the light. What happened? This being was the first architect, the first one that said I can design something different from what we have done till now. He created the sixth dimension that projected in the third dimension, so was the one that enables the life, basically. So what happened? Every being from the seventh dimension that said, "We have to create," followed the path of darkness to create. But those who arrived at the creation and said, "Oh, but we were the creators," followed the path of enlightenment to the seventh dimension again. That idea is like a torus, is the shape of a torus. But that idea created the concept that both paths were against each other. Actually, one was opening the path for the others. And for the others not to get lost, they create the path again, going back to the center. So talking about dimensions, even these beings that, in religion, they were the bad ones, it's just one side of the story.

AUBREY: So explain the role of the beings of the seventh dimension and then the roles, particularly, of the being, that's called Satan. I don't think I fully understand it because he said, basically; and we say he, but it's obviously not a person--

MATIAS: It's it.

AUBREY: Says, basically, "I can create something, but I need to use the darkness to do it. And I need to somehow separate myself from the everything in order to do this." What was going on?

MATIAS: How the solar system was created, it was not because a fairy came and they, like this with magic. It was a big explosion, the sun exploded like... Divided itself and created chaos, destruction all around. And all the rocks, the parts that remain without light became planets. They cannot shine anymore. They are not light, but they were part of the light. Earth was part of the sun.

AUBREY: Yeah, they were energy that turned into matter, waves that turned into particles.

MATIAS: And so much energy in the sun shining so much, created an explosion that allowed the planets to exist. It is because of that destruction and division, that life on Earth exists. But not only because of the sun and its explosion, also because of the gravity of Jupiter. Without Jupiter, life wouldn't be possible here because we would have been consumed by asteroids. So it is because of Jupiter that we survive. All that system is the one that was created by the darkness because it was destruction, division and turning matter that was shining into rocks that doesn't shine.

AUBREY: And you're just using our galaxy as an example of the whole universe?

MATIAS: When I say seventh dimension, imagine that the seventh dimension is like the sun, this bright being that is completely shining and fully aware of the divinity that it is and that within itself has the power, the light, the life, everything inside, but some part of it says, "How can I be all this if I cannot experience all this?" So a part of yourself decides to open your eyes and say, "I will leave what I have within." And that's explosion.

AUBREY: I will get lost so I can find myself.

MATIAS: Creation of the sixth dimension. So it divides the power, the light, everything in different messages, frequencies that we call archangels. The Archangels become the architects of reality, creating awareness, the fifth dimension, awareness of what it is, that everything is eternal, and that you can mold eternity into different pieces. Which brings us to the third dimension, the pieces of time: past, present and future, pieces of space, wide, high, depth. All that, the only way to create is by duality, second dimension. So you need polarity in order to move time and space, because if they don't spin, they don't create life. They need movement, love. So this movement will create that. So the second dimension is the movement of polarity, which brings us all to the first dimension, which is the unity experience in itself. But the only way to arrive to the third dimension is through the ninth dimension, which is God, is the one that is not only in the center, but is holding everything and understanding everything. It's like you with your body being fully aware of the work of every one of your organs, of every one of your cells, of how your DNA works, it's like if you become fully aware of everything that makes you who you are, that's the ninth dimension or God.

AUBREY: We're going to have to dive in here because I don't fully understand it entirely. One question I have is, it seems like the first and the ninth dimension are very similar, just the different expressions of the same singular being, or God, right? So what is the fundamental difference? The way that I intuitively understood it is the ninth dimension felt like the yin aspect of God, the void, all possibilities, all things but nothing in form and then the first dimension was the word, like the yang expression of the energy of it expressed, but I don't know if I'm understanding it correctly.

MATIAS: It's like a circle. So one and nine, they touch each other as if they are the same. So one is like the core, is like the center, that cannot see everything but can feel everything, is within. The one within, is the one that says, "I don't understand and I don't even care to understand."

AUBREY: So like the one would be the atman, the part of us that's the divinity within?

MATIAS: Yeah, it's the one that says I am? And what is this I am? What is that there, I am? The unity, the first dimension says I am, is the only thing that understands I am. Is like Groot from, that's the way. So, the first dimension is like that is, "I am. I am. I am. I am," all the time, goes to the center.  The ninth dimension is the one that knows I am but can see what I am. I am this organ. I am this organ. This organ is connected to this organ. This time and this line time is this then that and it can understand the whole, the unity, the first dimension doesn't care. It's like a kid that says, "Yes, I am. I feel it." It's like the person that says, "I can feel what you say but I can't get any word what you're saying. So the ninth dimension understands every word, why you are saying that, everything. The first dimension is a Pisces and the ninth dimension is a Capricorn, something like this.

AUBREY: I get it, it's almost like the first dimension is I know who I am, I am; and then the ninth dimension is I know what I am, which is all of the different expressions, all of the different understandings, the way it all works, everything.

MATIAS: Exactly. So they touch each other because they are almost the same. But one is fully aware of everything that it is and the other one just it is. So in between that idea is how everything emerges. Everything emerges from the first dimension, of course, because I am. So, this I am, has a dream. The dream of the I Am is in the eighth dimension, which is everything is possible, everything is there. So many things. That's that dream, the great dream where all the timelines, everything could exist there. So, the I am, in the first dimension, when it sees the dream of the eighth dimension, that everything is possible goes to the seventh dimension.

AUBREY: So it goes from the first to eighth, and then down the seventh?

MATIAS: It's all the same. It's not linear. So we can explain it from the first going to the second, or the first going to the eighth.

AUBREY: Yeah, no, I like this. That makes sense. So it has the dream of, whoa, opens its eyes in a way like you said, and says this is all of the possibilities that I am can be expressed, every possibility on every time line. 

MATIAS: The easy image is you have one dot which is the I am, and then it creates the infinite, which is the eight. So you see how, from the one, you can go to the eighth dimension? So it's infinite. Everything is there, everything is possible, the eighth dimension. So then you say, "Oh, I am this dream. I can feel that dream that everything is possible," and you become the seventh dimension. The seventh dimension is when you not only perceive and see but you feel, you feel what you are able to be in the seventh dimension. That's why the dimension of enlightenment is where you irradiate everything that you are. You say, "Wow, I feel it. I know that I can do something with this."

AUBREY: You just used the word seraphim. Is this the realm of the seraphims? 

MATIAS: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. 

AUBREY: Now this is the part that I wanted to get back to, because I still don't exactly understand how religion has twisted the understanding of Satan as a Seraphim, I guess, right? 

MATIAS: Yeah.

AUBREY: The fallen angel he's called, the seraphim. And what that purpose was, and whether there's other seraphims that are of significance that did different things, besides what Lucifer or Satan did in the seventh.

MATIAS: Well, that would take us to religion.

AUBREY: I know religion says its own thing.

MATIAS: No, no, I will reach there when we are in the third dimension. So from the first one, you go to the eighth. The eight say, "Oh, this is what I can be?" Seventh dimension, "Oh, I feel it. I am that. Wow, incredible. But what can we do with this?" Sixth dimension, "Oh, I can create. I can do stuff." And when you do stuff you learn so you become aware of what you've done. Fifth dimension is like "Oh, now I get it. I understand everything and I know that I can do this forever." Fourth dimension, "I can change and create these things and these shapes forever, but where can I experience because I am not experiencing what I can create?" So, the third dimension, the third dimension is, "Okay, I will get inside the system that I create, I will become that in order to exist, but the only way to do it is to separate my parts, because I am so huge that I cannot experience all together. I have to divide myself into many." So people, realms and blah, blah, blah, all the things. Third dimension, "The only way I can do it is through polarity." Because of this polarity, second dimension is that I can create a third one, first dimension again. Once I created something new from all that path, I became fully aware in the ninth dimension, that I am God. So that whole system of dimensions is how you see the universe in that perspective. So what happened? Third dimension, and the third dimension, remember is about dividing. The sixth dimension was about creating. Fifth dimension about understanding the creation. Fourth dimension about knowing how to manage the shapes of that dimension, no time, no space. And then you leave time and space in the third dimension. So all the parts that you have created, now they become real. They manifest and they will live in a certain time in a certain space. What makes that? Everything before was part of one thing, now it is divided into different things. So you can tell the difference between this and that. But you cannot remember that they were the same thing. So this hand here, the right hand will fight against the left hand all the time because they say, I know you look the same, but you're the opposite to me. So that shouldn't be good. Because what is good is what is similar to me. So that's the mentality of the herd.

AUBREY: What we see now in our culture?

MATIAS: Exactly. So you take one story, which is the sun, and you say, "Okay, there is the sun." Everyone can see the sun, North Pole, South Pole, Ecuador, everywhere, everywhere in the planet, you can see the sun. But it's not the same to see the sun from the desert in Arabia than to see it in the rainforest of the Amazon. The sun will be very different, the shapes of the sun, the heat of the sun is different. So in the Amazon, the sun is not related to something that makes you suffer. In Arabia, it is. You see the difference? So it creates a tradition that the Lord can--

AUBREY: Make you suffer.

MATIAS: Make you suffer if you don't do right. In the Amazon, the Lord will never make you suffer because it makes grow the plants. It gives food. Yeah, so it's willing and giving and all that. So why would God want me to get hurt, if it's giving me everything? But in the desert, in the Sahara and Arabia desert, it will hurt you because if you don't take care of what the people say, with the water, with people, if you don't take care of your animals--

AUBREY: The sun will kill you.

MATIAS: If you don't follow any rules, you will die in the desert, the sun will kill you. So God will kill you, if you don't follow the laws. So all the Semitic people now call Islam, Jewish and Christians, they were all Semitic, there were the same people that lived in the desert, they all had that tradition of living in Babylonia, in Mesopotamia, in that region. So all of them had this knowledge that the sun can hurt you if you don't follow the rules. So God would kill you if you don't follow the rules. So they create a statement of culture of all that, and how every Archangel, every potentiality of God can be good or bad according to how you behave. That's how you form a religion that unifies villages and they create one Semitic village called the Jew, one Semitic village called the Islam, one Semitic village called the Christians. It was not exactly like that, but I'm making a summary of that. They created this, and the most ancient one, the jews, said, "We understood first, what it means the power of the universe and we know that the word is the one that does this. So the word, the vibration, is the one that changed life and that connects you to the divine." So they use the Kabbalah, the word, the letters, to work with the powers of God, so the archangels. The other ones, Islam said, "No, God doesn't have any word. God is geometry. So the only way you can understand God is through mathematics and geometry."

AUBREY: Which is why you see in the mosques, such beautiful fractal geometry. 

MATIAS: So no words, no images of anyone because for them, the powers of God are geometry. For the Islam is not an archangel, as a person, is a concept of a divine. Then we have the Christians, which is a different story that came from not Islam, that came from the Semitic people. They took the information from all the different villages, mainly from the Jews, they took all the ancient traditions, but without the deeper understanding and meaning of what they really came from. So they took the ideas of this because Jesus was Jew, so they took the images, the ideas of the past from that tradition but the people that started to follow Christianism were not really students of the ancient texts. They were just followers of someone new, with an old tradition. So that's why there is a cut because there is something very different in between the Jews and the Christians. The Jews doubt, not the jews, the ancient jews, the ancient tradition, Kabbalah, Sephirot is about the question: what do you think, what do you think is God? I don't know. What do you think? It is all about questions, questioning, question, question, question to find the answers. And when you find the answer, ask another question. The Christians, not. Christians is, "This the truth. Don't talk anymore." Archangels are angels that one of them falls down? Why? No, you should not question that. And that's how, for 2000 years, many religions in Christianity like Catholic, Protestant and many others were based on ancient old stories that no one ever explained them because they said you should not ask. This is God's word.

AUBREY: And now here I am, blasphemer as I am, asking--

MATIAS: Sorry, I was not raised as a christian.

AUBREY: Asking the question of, okay, all right, so we have this story that Lucifer, the fallen angel, is all things that are evil, and is the one to be resisted and is only evil. But you started telling a story that no, no, this is a Seraphim from the seventh dimension that actually enabled creation. It's a flip. I just want to go through that one more time. Maybe it's because my mind is so conditioned by the world that we live in. 

MATIAS: It happened, yeah.

AUBREY: That it was like, "Whoa!" So explain that again, what happened in the seventh dimension and what is this being that they call Satan or Lucifer, what that being actually did and then why was it that the stories of the Christians made that thing evil?

MATIAS: Imagine that in the eighth dimension, or ninth, eighth dimension, there is God, this Lord of the house that has many kids living in the same house, and they are running out of room and they are also powerful, that they are all occupying a very important spot in the house. But there are kids born every time because the mother, matrix, is very fertile. So there are many kids, but the house is always the same. There were seven rooms, but now they're like 12 kids and they're all sharing beds, chaotic. So there was one of them, Samael that said, what if we make the house bigger? What if we create something different so we could all live in a different way? So in the seventh dimension, they are the happy family, where they all sit around the table, and they say, "We love so much to each other that we don't care about the space we have." So there was one on the table that said, "I care. I care about it because I need my space. I have too much power inside and I'm sharing this space with people that are not allowing me to grow." So God said, "Okay, what would you do?" And he said, "Well, I would get rid of that wall. I would throw that away. If you give me a hammer, I will destroy it. I don't care. And I will create another room." So he created another room. But the other says, "I want another one. I want my own room." So he starts to break all the walls to make the house bigger. And then they had kids and family. So they had to do the same thing, breaking the walls, creating more blah, blah, blah. So the family grew and the universe grew, of course, to fractal, tiny fractals.

AUBREY: So in a way that being was the one who ultimately led to polarity, because polarity was necessary to create. It took the unity of the happy family and brought it all the way into the fractal perspectives that we see now and all of the world that we have now, but it created polarity. Is that's why it was attributed with evil because it took the one unified family of the Divine and broke it and divided the family and now there's the possibility of evil, because of the possibility of--

MATIAS: Of dividing more families.

AUBREY: Of dividing more families.

MATIAS: But what people don't realize is that there are more families because of that.

AUBREY: Yeah, yeah. But it makes sense to me now, it's because you take something that was just just this pure... I love your metaphor, one family, unified completely, but it was stable, it was stuck, and then just goes, boom, no, we're going to have everything. But as part of everything, there's going to be bad shit, too, because that's the necessity for everything.

MATIAS: Well, imagine, if we take this story of Adam and Eve, you have Adam, and Eve only and they're happy forever. Boring again. It's like, "Really? So why?" So it had to happen, something to make them know that there is another way, that there are many more possibilities of creating new kids, new families.  Just as an example, but what happened, I don't know, if it happens to you, but usually, you grow, in your life when you have a crisis or when something breaks, when something falls apart and you realize, oh, it was not that. It was because of that break, that broken relations that now I have the opportunity to live something different, something transcendental, and maybe you are living this happy life now, because you had many breaks before? Of course, of course. So, "Every crisis is an opportunity," they say in China, isn't it? Well, that's how the universe is. The crisis of the fallen angel was the one that allowed the universe to create, what we enjoy it now. There are many stories like this in history, horrible things that happened that made possible something greater, something amazing. For example, if Europe wouldn't have to fight with each other for new lands, we wouldn't be here talking to each other. If there was not that competition between Spain and England, we wouldn't have all the Americas connected with just two languages.

AUBREY: And so many people will say that's good. And some people say that's bad.

MATIAS: Exactly. I used to see the bright side of everything because I am here because of that. All the things that happened were horrible, of course. But what we have now...

AUBREY: Was a consequence.

MATIAS: We are all much more connected in information, in technology, it was because of that stupid competition they had in Europe a few 100 years ago. So all these horrible things like the Second World War, everyone is, "Oh, it was terrible," but that allowed the European Union. If we wouldn't be because of that, we wouldn't have the EU.

AUBREY: It's part of this growth process. It's horror and death and destruction and then new creation and this is just the way--

MATIAS: Israel wouldn't exist because of that.

AUBREY: It all makes sense, because you can look at the dark side of it and say, "Yeah, fuckin' Satan's work." And certainly, you could look at World War II and be like, "Yeah, there's the devil in that work," and you can feel the evil of that. But then you can also see well, then there's the result of the creation that's happened and these other things. It's all entangled and we can look at it from one side or the other. We can look at it through a polarity lens, or we can look at it through a higher purview, a divine perspective, still recognizing that certain things are horrible in that present moment and certain things are not horrible. But it's just interesting to see and it helps me to understand why the one that created the possibility for all of this was cast out and is considered evil. But really, it was just a possibility creator. But within that possibility was the possibility of some really bad shit.

MATIAS: The thing is that, in Mesopotamia, Egypt, Africa, in general, in Asia, with the dragons, never, in history, the cultures, really, to the bad side or the dark side as against. For example, in Egyptian mythology, you have the bad gods, the bad spirits, that make chaos. But all the people build temples for them and give offers to them. Like the cultures from Africa also they give offers to the demons. And you say, "Why?" For the European way of thinking, it's weird. Not the ancient European, but the Christian culture, because they know that day and night, they're good for the universe and that each one of them has good things to do. For example, when you go to Egypt, there's snakes everywhere, cobras, the snake, and you say, if they are bad, bad for people, why do they take it as so sacred? Well, they took the bad things and made it into good things. For example, the cobra, the goddess of cobra is the protector of the fields, is not the one that can kill the farmer, is the one that protects the fields.

AUBREY: Yeah, it's just a different perspective. It's understanding the necessity of chaos. and order. If you're on a ship, the chaos of the storm is a bad thing because you don't want to drown, in your perspective. But storms are important, they move the tides. So it's just can you get past your own perspective, which decides whether something is good or evil, and look at a different perspective and understand that good and evil are both necessary for the whole game.

MATIAS: The thing that had this culture was that whenever someone sees a good thing into something that is wrong, has the opportunity to solve a problem. Because when you have a problem, and you have many minds in the table trying to solve a problem, the different points of view are the ones that make the solution better. But what happened? In Christianity, they followed only one God and only one God has the answer. There is no other answer possible for any problem. The only answer is Jesus. So when you have that, that the only answer is someone that lived 2,000 years ago and is not related to today, what happens is that every answer possible will be like 2,000 years ago.

AUBREY: Well, and it was also highly manipulated through all of those years for different purposes. 

MATIAS: Yes, so that's why in that answer, they needed that change and other options to be called evil. Because if someone said there is another option, that would be bad for the religion. So that's why they needed to take all the other options as something bad and they created the image of the devil. That was awesome for me when I knew this, that the devil wasn't created until the middle ages, did you know? The image with the horns?

AUBREY: The image of it, the one with the horns? Yeah.

MATIAS: In Europe, the tradition was fertilization for the women. The women were powerful. It was a matriarchal society. The feminine were ruling everything. So the women used to do something that, in Spain, they call Akelarre, is like, how do you say a group of witches? 

AUBREY: A circle or coven.

MATIAS: It was a circle of healing of women that they gathered to make the womb fertile, to make services to men like this. They would reunite in the stone circles and so on. The image of that was the goat. Why? Because the goat gives the milk, gives the--

AUBREY: Sign of fertility.

MATIAS: How do you say? Wool?

AUBREY: Skin?

MATIAS: The wool, everything for life, the horn to call the people to--

AUBREY: Meet to eat?

MATIAS: So everything was there. It was a symbol of fertility. They used to honor the goat in those circles. And in Greece and in the Middle East, they called the god of fertility Baphomet. Baphomet is the god of wisdom and fertility, is the one that gives the possibility of creation and to question reality so you can create new things. That's the symbol of what we now call the demon, the devil. It is incredible how Christianity in Europe started to call that the devil so people would go away from that tradition in Europe and follow the church. That's why we believe that the demon has horns but it's not related with hell, basically. If you go to hell, it is very similar to here.

AUBREY: Yeah, it feels like this is our opportunity for both heaven and hell, depending on our perspective, right?

MATIAS: So going through all the possibilities and realities, we usually get stuck in where we have been told, as a family, in religion, we project that into the entire universe. But actually, when you look down into what holds the universe, it's just vibration in between particles that decide to behave as particles. It's amazing. 

AUBREY: Yes, it is. I'm going to take a quick restroom break. And then let's try and wrap this whole thing up after. Thank you so much for getting us this far. Holy shit. Fuck!

MATIAS: A summary of the universe.

AUBREY: All right, well, that was a mind-blowing exploration of the universe. What I really want to dive into are some of the practical ways that we can access some of this information that comes from us, expressed through this nine-dimensional reality. And obviously, I've mentioned one of the tools that I've used has been to plant medicines. And in the break, I asked you if you'd had any experiences, and you said that you got some pretty specific instructions that you needed to do some ayahuasca.

MATIAS: Yeah, yeah, I was doing a project in 2015 or 2014. I was so on that project, that it was very earthy. It was not supposed to be that way. I had to be much more, in my own things, connected but I lost the connection, because I was trying to control many things from this reality. And I got lost, everything was going wrong, everything was--

AUBREY: So it was very much about financial and production, and all of the different, normal, mundane things that–

MATIAS: Yeah, I wanted to do a documentary about some stuff and work for things related to education and society and so on. My guides, from the fifth dimension, used to say, "It's not your time. It's not now. Now you have to do another thing." And I said, "No, but I want to do this." And they said, "Yes, you will, but not now," this discussion, team work. There was one day that I was really, really lost and they said, "Look, the only way you can reconnect to us in a better way is using a tool from the world you are so attached to now, which is a plant. They mentioned ayahuasca and I said, "No, no, no way. No way. No way. I don't want to do that." I was always, not against but myself, I was afraid of losing control.

AUBREY: Sure. Yeah, because you had a lot going on in your mind already.

MATIAS: I explained these things. I work doing this kind of pedagogical explanations of the universe, but my real job is to be a portal. So whenever I go, sometimes things happen that go through me. And if I lose control, I don't know what is going through me. So I thought that with those things, I would lose control and things would be heavy for people around. So I said, "No, no, no, no. I don't want this." I was in the states and then I came back to Argentina and said–

AUBREY: I just have to say, I can't bear it any longer. There's never been a podcast in history where someone would say, "My real job is a portal," and I wouldn't stop the whole podcast immediately, but the fact that I just let that roll. Okay, I just got to take a couple of breaths. I'll take a couple of breaths here and just... 

MATIAS: Let it go? 

AUBREY: Let it go. Carry on with your story, Matias. We'll let that one pass for now.

MATIAS: That's why it's difficult to get a visa for me.

AUBREY: Occupation: portal. Come on, bro.

MATIAS: I had to do that. I have a story. The thing is that I went to Argentina, back home, and I lost my path. I had no idea where to go. I was robbed in Chile. I was crossing the border to Chile and I got anything. And they said, "This is it." And they said, "This is it. Now you have to start again from zero." So they took everything that I had, the recordings that I did for the documentary, everything. So I had nothing. I had no money, anything--

AUBREY: Let me ask a quick question. Because it seems like your guides are guiding you to this situation. It seemed like your guides had something to do with you getting robbed, even in the way that you're telling the story, right?

MATIAS: Yeah, they did. They forced it.

AUBREY: Which means that your guides are influencing, and I believe this, so don't think that, because I feel like there's forces that are acting in coherence with other beings and other things. Like how myself and Vylana, my wife met, there were a lot of things that had to happen. We got a lot of help to find the way. In this instance, you're kind of confirming this inherent belief, it's just so implausible that these connections would have made this connection and I would have met her at Burning Man at this time. I can give countless examples of these strange occurrences, but it seems like in this occurrence, there was, even for a thief, there was some subtle influence where they were like, "Oh, this guy, Let's rob this guy." They didn't understand that that was coming from an actually a benevolent force from you, that was telling them to do something that they were going to do, which, well, they probably got your stuff, which is good for them.

MATIAS: The people that are not guided by their own self, that they are lost in the unconscious, which is not bad, it's not a bad thing to be unconscious, but the people that usually live unconsciously, are really easier to modify, to say, "You, go through that." 

AUBREY: Because they have less choice.

MATIAS: Yeah, less choices. So when you become aware, it is more difficult so that's why you see so many signals because they are trying to move all around because they cannot move you.

AUBREY: Yeah, it's like you. They were trying to tell you to do something all the time. And you were like, "No."

MATIAS: "No." Yes, I always disagree.

AUBREY: But the thief, they were like, "Go steal his stuff," and they were like, "We will steal his stuff." Yeah, I understand.

MATIAS: "Okay. I will steal his stuff." I ended up there in Chile, making the ceremony and I was really worried but when I had the ayahuasca in my hands, I said, "Okay." I talked to the plant, and I said, "I will let you get inside my very last cell. So won't go against you anywhere." And when it went inside, suddenly there was this voice of an old lady that said, "There's two ways to do this. One, from your belly down and the other one, from your belly up." And it was like--

AUBREY: Ayahuasca tells me, "We're going to do it both ways at the same time."

MATIAS: Both ways. Now. We will mix it.

AUBREY: Okay, you got a choice but I usually don't.

MATIAS: So I said, from the belly up and she says, "Okay." And suddenly I stopped feeling from my belly down. I have no feelings at all. Like there were no legs, no genitals, no nothing, no intestines, nothing. I start to go everywhere. It felt like nine hours, talking to different aspects of myself, going deeper and deeper and deeper, until I got to the point where I got a seed, a crystal seed. And it took me into a position of meditation that I stood there like for hours, just asking questions--

AUBREY: It looks like you were doing a mudra, what they would call a mudra. 

MATIAS: Yeah, I took that. It was in this position like this, like a mudra. I was there for hours, asking questions and sometimes the answers came before I finished my question. It was incredible because my friends were puking around, and I could only see the colors of the sounds. I never had a bad experience in the Ayahuasca, never, nothing, nobody. What happened to me was like a reconnection with myself entirely, like this is what you're supposed to do, to be. But it was myself, telling that. They showed me what was the next step, the inside showed me. The inside showed me what was the next step, where I was supposed to be, do that, expect, whatever. It was perfect. And I just woke up, if nothing happened, and said, "Okay, let's go." So I went to all the places that I felt, did everything that I had to do. One year after that or two years after that, I did the Ayahuasca ceremony again, in Peru, in Cusco. When I started, I drank and just closed my eyes. I suddenly saw the same spot of the time before and avoided saying, "Okay, let's start from the very beginning again." It started from where it ended in the previous one. So it didn't give me the time to prepare for a new kind of experience or something. It was like, "Okay, let's start from where we stopped before." It was incredible, amazing. I was really afraid of that but I guess that I was afraid because of losing control, more than what would happen.

AUBREY: I think most people are afraid of losing control. That's the fear, right?

MATIAS: Yes, of course. And losing control of myself, I don't know. But, for me, it was completely the best thing that I ever did. Of course, I wouldn't recommend to do this as the first step to give when you are trying to start a path of awakening. I guess that you have to be in touch with what is the spirit of the plant--

AUBREY: What's your intention?

MATIAS: What is the intention? It's not like going to Disneyland. It's hard work with a spirit that has been awakening people for thousands of years. The information that the plant has is for that. One of my friends had smoked marijuana before the ayahuasca ceremony and the plant basically took him from the neck and said, "Don't you ever do this with me again," and made him puke a lot and said, "Don't bring this child to this temple." He was like, "Well..." So I would work before and prepare. I always say that the best preparation for everyone, in order to become a process with anything in your life, to change your life into a much more aware consciousness or something, I always say that there are only three things from which we can start and then you can do whatever. The three things I used to say, there's one for the body, another for the soul and the other one for the spirit. The first one, which is for the body, is to change the way you eat, is the most easy and difficult thing at the same time. It's not about changing the way you eat according to be more spiritual. It's not that. It's about acknowledging what your body is really asking for. Sometimes the body as for meat--

AUBREY: Like intuitive eating, really listening to your body.

MATIAS: Exactly. It's not being much more aware or spiritual, you have to be vegetarian or vegan. This is a completely different thing. When we talk about the consciousness of the universe, it doesn't really matter. What really matters is to do what your body is asking for. If you're working for your awakening and awareness, your body will stop asking for meat, and will start to ask for fruits, plants, seeds. Why? Because to become aware, you need light. And the best beings that can manifest light into matter are the plants. So that's why, basically.

AUBREY: It's funny that one of the first times I did ayahuasca, they gave me very specific dietary instructions that I didn't listen to. And they said, "Eat foods that are filled with light. Eat foods that are filled with light." And it told me that super clearly. It showed me all the foods. It was plants and fruits, and actually, even some... Like the densest foods, like the cheeses and things that had to be in a cave, like Cave-aged Gruyere, it's delicious but there's no light in that anymore or dense meats, the heavy aspect. I was like, "Yeah, cool." And never did it. I eat those things, but I also have the intention of building a lot of muscle and being an athlete and all of these different things." So my body, for that purpose, will ask for other things, but I do listen, but ayahuasca, when I was intending to become more aware, gave me a very specific diet and the diet was like... It's a diet of light, eat light. Eat things that have been really touched by light.

MATIAS: And animals are also light, but distorted with emotions, with their own history, with their own biology, their own point of view also. And plants don't have that. Plants simply are and they just breathe light. So if you're trying to make more clear your memory to awaken and enlighten your DNA, you need things that manifest light. That would be the first one. The other one is breathing for the soul. All the hormones of the body are controlled by how you breathe, basically and how your endocrine system works. You need to oxygen your blood, your body, everything. The best way to do it is taking deep breaths and not by the mouth. The mouth was meant to be for eating, not breathing. Breathing is only through the nose, in and out from the nose and very deep from below, from the lower part of the lungs, not from like this.

AUBREY: Belly breathing, not chest breathing. 

MATIAS: Belly-breathing. That would calm the hormones, that would come the emotions, so organized information of the soul. Pay attention to how you breathe. There's a lot of techniques that teach how to breathe.

AUBREY: We never used the word souls so far. What do you mean exactly by soul?

MATIAS: Soul, for me, is energy. I don't know from where the word soul comes from in English, but in Spanish it is alma which is anima. It comes from the Latin animated, animal, so the things that move.

AUBREY: Yeah, the animus? 

MATIAS: So the things that move. So is the energy that moves you. That's the soul, basically. Breathing is, I love to say that well, in Spanish it has more sense but because breath is another etymology, but, in Latin, to breathe, you may say, spirare, spira. That's the origin of the word spirit. So what is a spirit? A spirit is someone that breathes properly. So a spiritual person is the one that knows how to breathe. That's what it means. It's not about beings in the universe or whatever. A spiritual person is the one that knows how to breathe. That connects with the entire universe. So that's the second one. Pay attention to how you breathe, to order your chakras, to order your energy, everything. And the third one, which is for the spiritual realm, the higher self is to laugh more. Laughter is a key of high vibration. So when you laugh, the vibration goes higher. Anything that is down, you cannot feel it. So if you want to feel better in your life, you have to love more about the bad things and to be in a higher resonance all the time. So eat better, breathe better and laugh more.

AUBREY: Yeah. And if you've spent your whole life not doing those things very well, then go, maybe tap some ayahuasca. It'll help you out. 

MATIAS: It will help for sure.

AUBREY: Just start to clear out some of the problems.

MATIAS: That would be the crisis. That would be the crisis wave. 

AUBREY: Yeah. Which reveals why I've had to do it so much, because probably I've been none of those things that well. But it makes absolute perfect sense. All of these plant medicines, the Quechua word, and the great maestro that I'm working with, Maestro Orlando Chunjanduma, he's from the Quechua tradition, they have a word called Chakaruna, which means bridge. And these medicines are bridges to these other aspects of ourselves, our other aspects of consciousness. And that's what they understand them as. That's what ayahuasca is. It's a bridge that brings you to something else. I just have to ask, in any of your past lives were there plant medicine sacraments, like in Khem, were there plant medicines that people were doing then?

MATIAS: Yes, of course.

AUBREY: What was it like?

MATIAS: Not ayahuasca because it was Africa.

AUBREY: In Egypt. Africa.

MATIAS: But I don't know how you say it in English. Amapo, amapola. I don't know that word in English.

AUBREY: Well, whatever. Use the Khem word.

MATIAS: It's a red flower, Rose, Middle Eastern Europe? I don't know. That also other plants from Ethiopia today, I don't know the names of them but they were used in many ceremonies.

AUBREY: In like a brew?

MATIAS: Yeah. Yeah. 

AUBREY: And what was it used for? What was the purpose?

MATIAS: Some of them were to clean the body, to clean up the whole body. And other one for connection completely with your higher self. In every temple, along the Nile, we had to work for a connection with a specific part of our body. So for each one, there was a plant, a flower or something like that, that works specifically with certain emotions or certain things. So--

AUBREY: So it was like a journey through your own chakras, purifying each one, connecting with each one.

MATIAS: Exactly. That was the initiatic path. 

AUBREY: And that's why they were in different temples for each purpose. What brilliance that we've forgotten. That's one thing you must think about. Like, obviously, we've done some amazing things. There weren't cell phones back then. We've done some cool shit, but we've forgotten so much.

MATIAS: Before, we built the pyramids, but now we have the internet. 

AUBREY: Yeah, and this is a whole other thing that, maybe, hopefully, as I said, I'll make the snacks really good, you like hanging out with me and we'll do a lot of these podcasts because there's a whole lot of corollary between what you've learned about Atlantis and the fall of that civilization and where we are now, how they used, different structures to create communication globally, and how their hunger for power created, and all of these different corollaries to what we're experiencing now, we've just done it in a different way. But that's for another show.

MATIAS: But about this, it's important to know also, because sometimes we compare, like, if what we have now is not that good as what we had in that time, is important to remember that 12,000 years ago, they also took a lot of time until they figure out how to build a pyramid or how to do what they were doing. They also were lost, trying to figure it out. They had tools to do great things, as we have tools to the very things and we are still trying to figure out what are those great things. But it's a completely different story because now we are entering the Age of Aquarius. Since 100 years ago, we are in the transition to Aquarius, which is technology, innovation. So technology like this is the key for this new time. We are not going to build pyramids, because this is not for the next 2000 years. Maybe it will take 10,000 years to rebuild pyramids again, because it is more aligned with the purpose of that age. But for this age, our sacred matrix is called the Internet, and we need to learn how to use it.

AUBREY: That's inspiring actually, to just think like, alright, we got these tools, these are our tools for now. We can still use some of those old tools, like I'll probably be trying to figure out what flowers you're talking about.

MATIAS: Opium. That's the name.

AUBREY: So well, that one is familiar, of course. But ultimately, finding out all of the different ways. So yeah, we can use this technology of communication. That's what we're doing right now. We're doing a podcast. We're reaching people. This is going to go through a bunch of different machines and go through different cables and get beamed out and thousands, thousands of people will--

MATIAS: 12,000 years ago, this conversation will be for maybe 10 people.

AUBREY: Exactly, exactly. 

MATIAS: Now it's for thousands.

AUBREY: There's advantages to all of these things. Is there any practical advice? And I guess maybe as a teaser for something else, or if there's something that comes to mind, in all of your experiences, there must have been some very magical things that happened with sound, with frequency, with people's ability to use aspects of themselves, of what they were capable of, to do sexual energy perhaps, like to use things. Are there resources that we collectively are dramatically under-estimating, that we have internally, and maybe that's any of those things that that I mentioned, like sound or our ability to harness sexual energy, things that you knew from your other existences that you're like, "Yeah, pay attention to this, because there's a lot of potential with these resources that we're not really utilizing"

MATIAS: I don't know exactly. I guess that what you're saying is about some things that we take for granted or--

AUBREY: Yeah, things that we take for granted, things that you saw in the temples that were amazing. Like I experienced or I knew that people could sing in this tone, in this resonance, with this intention and create this powerful effect, or people could utilize their sexual energy in the process of creation, and create things that would manifest. Things that we say, "Okay, yeah, we have sex and we sing. But we don't understand if we use sound or if we use sexuality," and these are just two ideas, but let's stick with those–

MATIAS: Yes. Of course. The power that we have inside, the ability to create manifest as I said, the pyramids were built with people that were working, but also singing. Without the specific sounds and singing, there wouldn't be pyramids today. The power that we can awake in certain frequencies, move stones, but in order to do that, the person that moves them should be very aligned with itself, in every cell, like completely, in a very deep connection with itself. That's why we're the higher priest in that time that we're doing the architectural works. We work like a battery. So everything that we do normally in our life, like eating, like having sex, like talking are so powerful that we are still like kids trying to play with something that is really important. Talking, talking is something that is unique in our existence. It's the way in which you can create by frequency, by resonance, the universe creates everything through vibration. So we have the ability to create with this and sometimes it's really amazing how a lot of people get all the information that I I'm saying even if they don't understand a word that I'm saying, because maybe it's another culture or whatever. They capture the information beyond the words or the language, just because of vibration. So the power that we have inside is infinite, it's just that we are playing with it right now, we are just trying to figure out how to use it properly. I would say, as a practical thing, that in order to awaken that potential, we should not try to imitate others' potential.

AUBREY: So not try to imitate what they did in the past, but create our own way--

MATIAS: Or what others are doing. For example, myself, trying to do what you do. There are some people that told me, "I want to remember like you remember," but maybe they do something that is amazing and they are losing their time trying to do something that is the potential of others. I encourage everyone to always look into what they love the most to do. So what do you like the most? What is it you are good at? Sometimes we don't even think that that thing could change many lives. Maybe someone is, I don't know, I am really good in cooking a specific thing, for example, and maybe that specific thing is what a whole country, in other continent needs and you are just wasting time saying that it doesn't work, but just because you didn't open your mind to see where your potential is needed.

AUBREY: Beautiful reminder. It's very enticing, though, to think of someone like my wife, Vylana, who's an amazing singer. And I don't want to say that she's thinking about this but I imagined when you said people were building the pyramids by singing with rocks, I imagine that at some point, you were like, "I wonder if I can sing the rocks." And I could just see her outside in our yard, singing to our boulders and moving rocks but--

MATIAS: It would take much more than singing.

AUBREY: Yeah, but it's such good advice. Listen to what you're drawn to and listen. And yes, there were amazing things that happened in the past, and there are possibilities. But I guess the big message is, our possibilities are incredible and vast, and things that we think are impossible are actually possible. But follow your love, your passion, your genius, what you're really drawn to, and just open your mind to the possibility of what you can create.

MATIAS: And a reminder also, for myself, is that there's no rush. When you rush to go to the future, you reach the fourth dimension, which is eternity. So you will be always doing the same. There's no rush, because the universe is not about heading somewhere. It is about moving on. There's no place to go, No place from where we came from. Is a constant. That's the universe, a constant of time and space. 

There is no end to this. So if we do everything, what we do in order to finish something, or to reach a point, we will never be happy because there is no point in the universe.

AUBREY: I need that as a ringtone. Every time someone texts me, "There is no rush." Oh yes, I'll get back to you sometime.

MATIAS: There's no point.

AUBREY: Thank you so much. This is a beautiful, enlightening podcast. Hopefully, I know we get to talk to the Fit For Service community tomorrow. I'm really excited about that. Yeah, just thank you for sharing this as your second job, first job being a portal. We'll talk about that at some point. Your second job is pretty great too. I appreciate you teaching. Is there anything that you want people to be aware of, any projects that you're working on, any help with your portal that you need?

MATIAS: Well, yes, I actually do. I have been, from 2020 and 2021, I've been 365 days, everyday going to the pyramids, to the Great Pyramids of Egypt, I was living there. And I was doing explanations everyday, you can see them on YouTube. They're free. They're there, every day I did. But you have to be patient because I translate, myself, every sentence into Spanish and English. That was the only way I could do at that moment. So, I explain every day a different topic that I was downloading in the pyramid, regarding the I Am, what is the I Am. This is a project that started on February 2nd, 2020 and will end on February 22nd, 2022. I finished one stage, which was going every day for one year, doing these explanations and channels in the pyramids and so on. Now, this is what we call the Path of the Dragon, traveling to certain places to connect with specific dots of the planet. That will be until January 2022. And in February 2022, we do a big gathering in Giza in Egypt. We expect more than 2,000 people. We are offering different types of ways to be part of for those who are willing to do many things, and for those who just want to go to the meditations. So it will be a four-day event in Giza. You can look for that on the internet. The website is Yo soy. It's “I am” in Spanish. yosoy2022.org

AUBREY: yosoy2022.org. 

MATIAS: Yeah.

AUBREY: Cool. And of course, I found out about you on the "Initiation" show on Gaia and there's probably lots of other places. Thank you, brother. I appreciate you.

MATIAS: Thank you.

AUBREY: And thank you everybody for listening. Much love. Goodbye.