There is more to this world than we are taught. In today’s podcast, norse magic expert Kaedrich Olsen explains entities ranging from self-generated thought forms to aggregations of energy that take on a life of their own. While a common phenomenon in altered states of consciousness, even something like a corporation can be considered a type of entity. We explore together the positive and negative influences of these structures, how to deal with them if you should encounter them, and some practical rules to follow to thrive in the magical realms.Connect with Kaedrich Olsen |https://www.kaedrich.com/

AUBREY: Kaedrich, good to have you back, brother. 

KAEDRICH: Hey man, it's great to be back. Thank you.

AUBREY: Yeah, for sure. So one of the things that's a constant topic of conversation, especially for people in the psychedelic realms is, are the entities that we encounter, are they real? Is there some outside force that's influencing us or is this an inner projection of our own thought forms, our own emotions that were actually just understanding, potentially anthropomorphizing or mythologizing, and then understanding them in a different way and perhaps, are they both at the same time? This is this classic question of inner versus outer worlds that we're encountering. Many different traditions have different beliefs but you dove headfirst into this, just like you did Norse mythology and so I wanted to have this conversation with you.

KAEDRICH: Absolutely and you're right, it's all of the above. There are beings that are extant for millennia that come from alternate realities, different places, different times, as well as we tend to underestimate the creative capacity of humanity. We are creating these things all the time. So the question is, are they real? Are they not? Well, the answer is: it's all in your head. That makes it just as real, because they're out there, they're influencing our thoughts and we have some internal agreement, allowing them to do that.

AUBREY: I think part of the problem is that people think that a mind is confined to our skull. Our mind is not confined to our skull, our mind extends all the way to capital M, Mind in another aspect, dimensional reality of what you could call God. It goes all the way, so in some way, when we actually even invent or think we invent something in our brain, we're actually creating something in a dimensional reality, that's part of the cosmological ontology of the Divine.

KAEDRICH: That's absolutely true. The brain is just a linear receptor of consciousness. But the whole universe is consciousness and it exists on many different layers. I guess the key word today is densities. Consciousness exists in little layers of density and human linear rational processing is just one layer of density but there's a density just right above us. We can almost think of it as, not quite etheric, not quite astral, but it's a layer where we have almost sandbox-like abilities where we can just play with things, create things, make things happen. Yet the conscious rational receptor, the linear receptor of consciousness can't perceive that. They think it's, well, it's just something out there, it's not real and everything I'm feeling is me. Well, yeah, it is you because you're open to receiving it and accepting it, but it's also an external influence. And, interestingly enough, this is just the way the universe is built. It's just the natural process of everything.

AUBREY: There's a few fundamental questions and as I've tried, I've been in deep contemplation about this, the fundamental questions as I see them, there are four questions. The questions are, who am I? Where am I? What do I want? How do I do it? Those are the four basic questions. And both of those, we could spend hours and I may even spend books trying to explore these different subjects because they're massive, big questions. Part of what we're talking about today is just our own efforts to understand the where question, which actually is influenced by the who question because, actually, you have to understand both a little bit. We've talked a little bit about the mind's ability and not ability, it's just innate nature as it's connected to the where, which is this universal reality that we're in, this multi-dimensional reality. I'm interested to explore this a little bit more and help people understand, because there's a wide range of beliefs. I tend to be more on, let's not give too much credence and belief to these other external structures, and forms and entities. Let's just assume that they're all within me and, that way, I can regulate myself and it's a little less scary. However, I've found myself in positions where I'm like, "Fuck, this is not me and I need to do something about this." I found myself in one of those situations recently and I detest it. I will tell you, I will tell you Kaedrich, I do not like entering those magical realms. I much prefer to be in the mystical realm, where it's like, "I am a being of love and there's nothing here that's going to fuck with me." That is my predilection, that is my preference. I like that realm a lot more than the magical realm where there's external forces that you can feel that you need to do something, clear, move the energy, alchemize, create boundaries, things like that. I have occasionally, from my own personal experience, and you guys can all think I'm a fucking kook but from my own personal experience, I've found myself, occasionally, in these magical spaces where I'm like, "Fuck!" And then I have to really listen to my guidance and some wisdom from some of my teachers and figure out what to do. I'm happy to tell that story but that's just to give the landscape of where I'm at. I think it is important to understand that there can be influences, but also, I've seen people who've gone too far down that road and think that every different thought or emotion or scary thing that's coming from them is coming from the outside, and they're in constant war and conflict with some external force. But I'm like, “Listen, you just need to reconcile your own fears and find the place of love within you.” Again, as I said, it's probably neither one nor the other. I just tend to prefer the mystical rather than the magical.

KAEDRICH: Completely understandable. When I'm doing my paranormal work, I've numerated a list of rules for interacting with the paranormal. And with what we're describing, two of them fit appropriately. The first one, the biggest key one, is that similarities attract and perpetuate. Whatever you've got going on inside, your emotional state, your thought patterns, your belief patterns, is going to draw to you the entities, the beings, the people, the situations, whatever that is in alignment with whatever your state is. So if you have a moment of fear, a moment of trepidation, a moment of concern and worry, you're going to transmit a bit of that energy out there. By the way, I am one of those fucking kooks out there. I love being in that range. I think it's great, I am totally wacky woo-woo out there. That's where my footing is. And so that's where I help people. When something goes a little bit strange, I remind them similarities attract and perpetuate. Being human, we're going to have those moments where we're prone to aggression or hostility where we're going to forget the love, we're going to forget that connection. That's a normal part of being human beings. But we can also develop ourselves to the place where you can be aware of that shift, where you can go, "Oh, here's what I'm thinking, here's what I'm feeling. Is that really me? Okay, it doesn't matter if it is me or not, I have control over the way I feel. I have control over the way I think. So I'm choosing to go back to the love state, I'm choosing to go back to the flow state, or a sense of awe and wonder." That way, what you're drawing to you is in alignment with you. Now the second rule is you are in charge of your energetic environment. That energetic environment does come from within. So if you're finding things are a little bit strange, if you're under that constant attack, under that constant influence, which I do have clients that are that way, it begins by shifting, by doing your inner spiritual work, by doing your inner connections, even going so far as to making sure you're eating right, you're getting good exercise because you have to take care of the body too. You have to take care of the mind, the body, the heart, all of it, in this process. The analogy that I give is let's say that the energetic environment that you're in is like a glass of water. You can't dump out the water because it's energy. You can't dump your energy out of your body, you can't dump out the energy of your home. But that water may not be the best environment that you want but it's that natural environment. When you are doing your spiritual work, when you're doing that inner work and that inner processing, you now have a bottle of wine, and you're slowly filling that glass with wine. Over time, the more you pour that wine into the water, you're displacing that water. And so you continue with your practice, consistency and persistence is key to this, you continue to pour that wine in there, displacing that water and soon enough, you've got a body filled with this higher level energy, you've got a home filled with this higher level energy. Remember, similarities attract and perpetuate. You've got that higher level energy inside outside, you've got this interruptive processing going inside and those influences will no longer be an influence, because you've taken control over yourself and your environment, just by doing your inner work.

AUBREY: I love that analogy that you used about the wine because wine for the Sufi mystics and the Sufi poets has always been representative of the sweet wine of the Divine. We have that ability to pour that sweet wine into our energetic body and into our rooms and into our homes and into our encounters and interactions. I often wonder, too, there's a lot of basic, core magical practices, like smudging, for example, the use of sage or Palo santo, or one of my teachers, Master Orlando, uses cinnamon in some different magical rituals. And the interesting thing is, I wonder if the plants, and again, I think this is one of those, "Yes, and..." questions, it's a both question, I wonder if it's actually the property of the sage, or the property of the sweet grass, or the property of the Palo santo, or whether it's actually just the belief that is attached to the scent, that is actually changing the belief field. It really could be anything. It could be any type of incense, anything that smelled decent, it could be camp firewood, whatever it could be, but if you believed it, then it was actually the belief that was carrying, carrying and changing the field of resonance around a person. This is just a way to concretize it, to see the smoke, to help your belief actually do its job. My feeling is that it's a little bit of both, that these plants do have a spirit and this spirit does have properties but a lot of what we're doing is just changing our belief field.

KAEDRICH: Absolutely, what you're describing is what I call the seeing-believing dynamic. If you completely don't believe in any of this stuff, you may or may not be under its influence and you don't care, you're shutting it down. So if you don't believe Palo santo works, you don't believe sage works, it's never going to work. But if you get out the sage and you smudge a little bit, you get out the Palo Santo, you get all the stuff out there, it has a little bit of that property that works a bit because we're opening up our disbelief center just to say hey, maybe, let's see. The effect of the plant opens that door a little bit and we can see and experience a shift and we're like, "This is real, this is working." Then the more we see it, the more we believe it. The more we believe it, the more we're going to see it, the more we're seeing it, the more we believe it. Soon that door is wide open and we're, "Of course, this is how the world works." This is the whole natural process. Of course, that's just how it is. It's no longer a belief. It's just now how you know things work. When I work with people to clear their houses, sure, the sage and the Palo santo, incense made of frankincense, myrrh, and sandalwood are great. Dragon's blood is a great sandblaster for energy for a room. But it's just a starter. It's just like training wheels. I'd rather people learn to get in tune with their own energy, and learn to make that energy fill up in them and surround them and to really help influence their own environment from their internal place. Just so that one day comes along, they don't have that smudge stick, what are they going to do? Well, it was always me the entire time doing it. So I don't need that smudge stick. At the same time. I've seen the reverse happen. I had neighbors once who moved out and their home was pretty hostile. It was pretty scary to listen to what was going on in that house. So there was some hostile energy built up there. Some people moved in right after them who were aware of the hostile energy, but they're going through the house with a smudge stick and some drums and they're like, "Get out of here. You don't belong here. We want you gone." They were hitting that hostile energy with hostile energy. You're just amplifying that.

AUBREY: My favorite analogy for that, it's like trying to clean old dogshit with new fresh dogshit. Not going to work.

KAEDRICH: Exactly. They weren't aware of the shift that they needed to make of that energy to be peaceful, loving, compassionate, caring, to clear that stuff out instead of hitting it with hostile energy.

AUBREY: Yeah. Such a good reminder of that is that every time I've encountered any of these entities or energies, the more you try to fight them, the more they're like, "Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, baby, let's go. We're in a fight? That's what I'm fucking built for! You better pack a lunch." Maybe you are a master shaman and you can actually win the battle. Maybe you have those powers, you're the gunslinger and you're Billy the fucking Kid out there with your with your mapacho, fine, great. If you can be Billy the Kid, be Billy the Kid, but you're going to be gunslinging your whole magical life. Ultimately, a much better plan in my mind is to actually just be able to transmute that by loving those entities and loving those energies. For people who've heard me tell these stories of my encounters with dark beings, it's always love. It's always love that snaps and alchemizes and changes the situation.

KAEDRICH: Yep, you are 100% correct on that, because if you fight fire with fire, you're going to make that fire twice as strong. But let's say you are encountering some sort of a hostile entity; may or may not be hostile, let's put it that way; let's say it's late at night, something wacky is going on, you see something move across the room, a dark shape form, a book falls off the shelf now you're freaked out, right? Instead of going into a fear state or a hostile-aggressive state, go into a state of awe and wonder, or even a state of compassion. Go, "Hey, that was really cool! Can you do it again? That was awesome!" Or instead of being, "Oh, my God, what are you going to do to me?" You go into, "Is there a way I can help you? Do you need help of some kind?" Because this is the converse to similarities attract and perpetuate. If you have an entity in the room or around you that is trying to negatively influence you in some way and you do it, just like you said, you go with love, you treat them with love, that energy becomes toxic to them and they're going to back away the heck off. They're going to be like, "Nope, nope, nope. I want nothing to do with you." At the same time as what if it is a positive entity? What if it is a higher level entity or just some kid playing in your house, and you don't want to attack that with hostile energy but if you come at it with that loving, caring, compassionate energy, you're going to build a rapport with that thing. That's going to be a positive interaction. So you nailed it exactly right on the head. Hit it with love, hit it with compassion, awe and wonder and joy. And that is going to subvert any negative interaction instantly.

AUBREY: And one of the things that people who are skeptical about this, which, of course, I welcome, I welcome that. And also, as far as my understanding of this fundamental laws of how this really works is one of the things that seems to be true is that if you hold a field of skepticism, a field of belief where these things are not possible, it's like an immune system that is preventing these things from actually showing up in your field. So you're actually projecting this anti-belief field. So if you're looking, if you're out there, and you're a paranormal investigator, but you're certain that paranormal shit does not occur, you're actually creating a field where it will not occur. Same with scientific measurements where scientists are trying to disprove things. It sounds like, "Oh, that's a good justification, bro," But I actually think the reality is that part of this whole game is belief in opening up the portal, thinning the veils between these worlds, so that these experiences can exist. If you have a belief field, it's like a force field that's preventing these different occurrences from happening, then they're less likely to occur. And then the more you open your belief field, the more likely you are to experience some of these phenomena. I'm sure you have crazy shit going on in your life all the time, because your belief field is wide open whereas somebody else who's just working as a car mechanic, goes home drinks his Budweiser, books are not flying off his shelf. You know what I mean? Nothing weird is happening and he's like, "What are you guys talking about? You are a bunch of fucking kooks?" There's a reason, it's like this belief is part of what allows the transmission and allows the porousness of the dimensional realities to exist.

KAEDRICH: You remember the Amazing Randi? 

AUBREY: No.

KAEDRICH: No? He's a guy who was a stage magician, who made a career out of debunking psychics and the paranormal. He would invite psychics and mediums into a controlled scientific setting to prove that their abilities were real. He had a million-dollar reward for anybody who could prove that psychic abilities were correct in a scientific setting, under controlled conditions with him observing. Now, he absolutely, definitely, debunks some hoaxsters, for sure, which reinforced his belief that this is all bullshit. It's not happening. But there were numerous psychics and mediums that came in through his controlled setting, who were thoroughly confused, they failed. Every single one of them failed but outside of his controlled setting, they were having viable careers, they have hundreds if not thousands of people that can attest to the accuracy of what they were connecting with, and what they were doing. But the moment they get into Randi's controlled setting, they're confused and they fail. To me, that is proof that Randi himself was psychic, that he had control over that energetic environment, because he was dead-set adamant, "This is not real, it's not happening, you can't do it." He shut down every single one of those people that came in through his controlled environment 100% of the time.

AUBREY: Yeah, that's such an important reframe of this phenomenon of how powerful, it’s just like, it's like giving a golf clap to Randi like, "You are a powerful magician, my friend. Your belief is strong and your belief is impermeable and your belief was greater than any of the beliefs of anybody else that actually came in there." Because at that point, it was a battle of beliefs and, somehow, I imagine if there was the Lebron James of psychic abilities, perhaps they would be able to overcome Randi's belief field. But in this case, that being didn't exist, probably because the entire collective belief system is more in support of Randi, than in support of what they are doing. So they have a little bit of doubt. Whereas Randi was absolutely certain. He was a powerful being.

KAEDRICH: And he went through that believing-seeing cycle. See, none of these people could succeed. I'm correct--

AUBREY: And then he just gets stronger and stronger and stronger.

KAEDRICH: Exactly, and here's the converse to that. I've worked with people, numerous people that have told me they never had a paranormal experience in their entire life ever because they expect it to be the book flying off the shelf, they expect that disembodied voice to be going, "Get out." And they don't realize that, late at night, they're sitting at a red light in their car, and all of a sudden, the light shifts to green and they're wondering why they're still sitting there at the intersection to watch a car blaze through the intersection that would have just totaled them. That's a paranormal encounter. When you're sitting in your room all alone and you suddenly get that feeling that you're not alone but then you have these fond memories of your grandmother, and it's almost like you could smell her there, you can smell those cookies baking again, then you're like, "Wow, that's interesting," easy enough to just explain that away as olfactory memories kicking in and just some sort of biochemistry in the brain reviving those memories. But more than likely, that's just grandma coming in and saying, "Hey, how are you doing?" just giving you that subtle memory. That's a paranormal experience. It can be very, very, super subtle, very beautiful and amazing. And it doesn't have to be a mirror breaking or somebody getting thrown down the stairs. It can be just beautiful and subtle.

AUBREY: My family told me stories like this when I was growing up. And my family did not have any paranormal belief structure whatsoever. But I grew up hearing these interesting stories that were passed down as family heirloom stories, a story where my grandfather, Aubrey, he went off to give a speech and he was really excited about the speech. He was a guest. He was a professor at a college and he was giving another speech at another prestigious college and he got in his car, and he left the house and that was the only car, this is before cell phones. They actually had no phone, they had no landline phone at the house so they just had a car. That was how they lived. And my mom had four sisters and a brother. They were all at home with my grandma. Aubrey goes off and he goes off to give this speech that he's been excited about, been working on for weeks and Craig, my uncle Craig, breaks his arm badly like a really bad break in his arm and my grandma was an army nurse and so knew that it needed to get set in and she couldn't do it. He needed to go to a hospital. So she doesn't know what to do. She doesn't have a phone to call anybody. They're isolated. They don't have neighbors they can go run and talk to. They're in a difficult situation. She goes into meditation or whatever it was, she didn't meditate. So she just sits down and says, "Aubrey, Aubrey, come home. Aubrey, come home. Aubrey, come home." Inexplicably, he turns around his car and comes home, knowing that he's going to be a no show at this talk, but he just came home. And he picked up my uncle Craig and took him to the hospital. That story was passed on. What are the chances? What are the chances that he would give up on this speech, and just happen to come home? It's almost impossible to believe that there wasn't that connection between my grandma Bonnie and Aubrey that caused that reality to happen.

KAEDRICH: I totally agree with you. That's validation of the interconnectedness of humanity at a very subtle level. She actually was able to reach out to him through that connection and say, "Hey, we need help." He tuned into it. He listened and he came. And that's what I mean, a paranormal experience is that subtle, but it can have that profound of an impact when you listen to it, you tune in and you're like, "Okay, I'm going with it. Let's follow and see where this happens, where this goes."

AUBREY: My stepdad had another story. My stepdad was a SWAT team squad leader in Compton, heavy, heavy work back 40, 50 years ago. So he was in pursuit of some armed robbery or some situation. They had a plan, where he was going to go, they were going to try and triangulate around this place. He was supposed to go down this alley on foot and they were supposed to meet at this place. And they're all running and moving into place, full gear, full SWAT gear, and he just stops and will not go down the alley. He's like, "I can't go down the alley." He backs out of it, radios everybody, "I cannot go down this alley." What the fuck you mean? This is the plan. He's like, "I can't." And then they're like, "Alright, alright, alright." And they look, and there was an ambush setup in the alley, where somebody had a shotgun pointed right behind this thing just ready for anybody to come down the alley. These are interesting, because their belief structure was not in place where this was something that they were looking for. But somehow, something actually pierced the veil. I guess they would say instead of being like Randi, who was atheistic towards it, they were more agnostic. They didn't believe it, necessarily, but they certainly didn't believe it. These stories always stuck out in my mind as really interesting. I think that's opened my mind a little bit to more possibilities, just hearing these things, these heirlooms passed on from my family.

KAEDRICH: Oh, absolutely. That's a great story. Thank you for sharing it. Because that's a perfect example of how a whisper, as I call it, is so subtle that you don't even understand where it's coming from, unless you're tuned in and aware. But it can have that profound impact. Like I said, it's a whisper, it's so subtle, the paranormal doesn't have to be overt. It's really great that he was able to listen to that and follow that and just feel that urge is what I call it, that urge that comes from the whisper to go, "Nope, I'm not doing this," because that saved his life. Awesome.

AUBREY: As we've said, some of these things we could understand them as internal guidance, maybe that's as higher self, you can understand all of this stuff from an internal lens. But let's take this with an extrinsic lens and let's say alright, let's push these things and call them entities as the Greeks did with everything like the daemon, the muse, all of this stuff was externalized for the Greeks. It helped them understand it, because it gave them subject-object separation, so they could look at them and understand them, while at the same time knowing that these were all internal. So let's follow that same path. And let's talk about some of the names and some of the characteristics of some of these entities, both the ones that are kind of anti-your-best-existence and the ones that are helpful. I don't like using good or bad, but the ones that are helpful and not helpful in a situation, let's just cover the Pantheon as you've come to understand in your exploration.

KAEDRICH: Yeah and you're right. I don't want to ascribe terms like good and evil, or good and bad, all that stuff to these things, because they are just entities that subsist off of certain types of energy. "Doctor Who" had a great example of what evil is. Evil is just a matter of which side of the fork you're on. The example that I give is let's say there's a fox out there that kills a rabbit, and that rabbit's a mother rabbit that's feeding her young. Well, to those baby bunnies, that fox that killed the mother is evil but now that fox brings the rabbit home to its den, where there are baby foxes that need to eat. That fox is now an angel. So it just really depends on what our point of view is. So when I do shadow work with people, I say, let's not look at this as positive or negative emotions, let's just say they're unwanted or unhelpful emotions, so that we can work through them and get to the other side, and it removes that judgment. It removes some of that externalization, that subject-object differentiation that we can do, because we realize there's actually connective tissue between us of some kind, some sort of ethereal fascia if you want to say, that we can connect with.

AUBREY: Nice word.

KAEDRICH: One of the basic ones that we create all the time is called a thought form. And thought forms exist in all sorts of culture, even in Norse culture, they're called Wuhums, Wu being thought and Hums being form. Now what we do when we create these things is they are generated from our own persistent emotional state. If there is something spooky going on in the house, and we have this fear state about it, we're going to create this little ball of energy that is just programmed with: scare me. And it subsists off of fear energy. When we have those quiet, lonely moments, it's going to poke us with fear energy, and we're going to go, "Whoa, what's going on? There's something here. I know it." We become a battery to generate, to feed this thought form. Again, the more it pokes us, the more we feed it, the stronger it gets. And if we don't know that this is an external influence, as we're seeing it that way, it's just going to continue poking us and we think there's really something going on. Thought forms come in every flavor of human emotion, from fear, to anger, hostility, to actually complacency. Sometimes they can give us that comfort, quiet energy so that we don't have to get up and do anything, where we just sit there and go, "Meh, I'm happy, why bother?" But then when you get through that influence, it's gone, you’re suddenly going, "What was I doing?" Now you suddenly find that inner vigor, that inner fire to go do something again. So sometimes these positive emotion thought forms might not be the best things.

AUBREY: It seems like if you could control your own thought forms, you would really be an alchemist in every sense of the word, like a modern magician, just by simply controlling your thought forms. I think a lot of the people that a lot of people admire. Take someone like David Goggins, I'm not sure if you're familiar with him, but he wrote this book, "Can't Hurt Me" Ex-Navy Seal. He's always running and his motto is stay hard, and people look up to him. But you could look at his character and his body and say, "Oh, this is a different breed of human," which he is in some regard. But also you could say that his constant reinforcement of this thought form that he is unhurtable and he is this person that will push through any amount of pain, he actually has this army of entity, thought form that's behind him as well. Same with a lot of these kinds of magnetic personalities, Wim Hof, or any of these individuals, it's like they're carrying this mountain of thought form energy that's within them and also, it also comes in front of them and behind them and around them. It's like a swarm. I think that's why people get so, "Wow!" Tony Robbins, I've never seen him live, but I'm sure he has that kind of energy as well.

KAEDRICH: Absolutely. And in that case, they might even be tulpas, a term that comes to us from Tibetan-Buddhist practice, about creating this external entity that does exactly that. It's like I am unhurtable, I'm unstoppable. No matter what's going on, I can persevere through this. It has this powerful, energetic presence. It also influences, let's say, the nature of reality through collective observation. Let's put it that way if we're going to put those terms in, meaning I am unstoppable, I'm unhurtable, that sort of thing. It's generating that energy bubble and the people around him are in agreement to that. So they're tuned into it, they're feeling it, they're like, "Yeah, he's totally unstoppable. We can go for that." Every time we watch Wim Hof, and he's talking about his breathing, and it gets into that tub-full of ice, we're like, "Wow! Look at that." It does not only two things, it reinforces that ability for him to be able to do that one. But it also enables him to be this ideal archetype of what this person is through his breathing and through his body control, can endure these extreme situations and it tells us, oh, if he can do that, I can do that too. It's possible. So now we're tuning into that tulpa frequency and we're suddenly learning these breathing techniques, and we're feeling the body warm up and we're like, "Okay, now I'm ready to get into a bathtub full of ice and try this thing out. It makes it a lot less difficult than, let's say, just somebody thrown into a bathtub of ice that doesn't believe it's possible. Those tulpas are an interesting way of affecting the collective unconscious and interpreting our beliefs. It can be a very positive tool, like you said. It's amazing stuff that's out there.

AUBREY: One of the things and the language that I use in my inner circle is we talk about code exchange. I can feel this happening when I encounter a different medicine person or a different different type of being. It could be anybody. I actually encountered recently, at a Fit For Service event, there was a guy who showed up there and he was mixed Navajo blood and he had the Navajo braids. I was just immediately drawn, out of all the crowd, I was immediately like, "I got to talk to this guy." I just felt something was important there for me. We start talking, turns out, he's an ex-Navy SEAL and he'd spent six years as a Sundancer. And, obviously, that's one of the most intense rituals. I talked about it with Porangui, a fasting, dry fasting for four days, doing sweats, piercing, this whole thing, done that for six years. Just being around him, there was this code exchange where I realized, "Aha, this guy has no trepidation and fear about pain." Discomfort to him is not what discomfort is to me. He has a whole different relationship with discomfort. There was a little bit of a transfer of that, where I got that flavor and it didn't, immediately, contagiously, take me over. I'd have to do the work as well like he has, to get to that state, but I understood it. And a little piece of that, a little piece of that energy, those tulpas or the thought forms that are surrounding him, I got to encounter them, and I got to know them. Now, I have him as a guide, and then those energies are like a guide because I touched it, I felt it. I'm like, "Okay." I was cold-plunging this morning and oftentimes I leave my hands out of the cold plunge because the fingers are the most painful part to get in the cold. It doesn't do the body a whole lot of good to ice your hands. It's really about the head and the core temperature. That's really what's causing the physiological benefit but today, largely because of this code exchange, I believe, I was like, "Alright, I'm going to submerge my hands and I'm just going to deal with the pain that's coming in through my fingers and my knuckles." And I thought about him, and I did that and I was like, "This is just my little tiny baby way to reinforce this. Okay, you don't have to have the same relationship with discomfort. You can have a radical acceptance of discomfort. And then also the lessons of the Sundancers is the only way they make it through is prayer. Then I was like, "Alright, I'm going to send a prayer to my hands to ease the pain." And I could feel it work just subtly. Because I believed that, I was able to use that, just from that brief encounter from someone who came to one of my events that I talked to for 30 minutes.

KAEDRICH: That's right. I'm seeing the multiple layers that that's working on. I love your term, code exchange, because I've always called it the power of presence, which is why I always tell people to own your power, step into that and let it be a beacon shining around you. That old adage of that you are an amalgam of the five people you keep closest to you, that's why, it's because we're constantly sharing that code between each other, just by being in each other's energy field by the thought forms that we feed and the tulpas and everything that we keep around us. We're constantly sharing that, and the lessons that you gained from just being in that moment, and from what you learned about that, and then applying it, we do that all the time, at such an unconscious level with each other, which, this little tattoo in the back of my hand, is from the Old Norse, a brand from a brand burns... It basically means from a flaming twig to a flaming twig. We reinforce each other by being around each other. It's a reminder to me to keep higher level people around me and to try to be in the highest state possible because of that power presence, that code exchange. It's very real, it's all over the place. If you don't know that it's out there, you may not be aware of the influence it's having on you, but you're very tuned into it, which is really cool.

AUBREY: These are some of the basic structures that I think a lot of people can be like, "Alright, I get that. I feel that. Alright. Let's start to go a little more mythological now and start to ascribe a little more character to some of these entities.

KAEDRICH: Heck, yeah. Let's take a dive down into wacky woo-woo land.

AUBREY: Let's go!

KAEDRICH: We're going to talk about something called egregores. Egregores are collectively-created entities. We don't realize we're doing it but as a community, as a collective unconscious, we're creating these things. The example I give is, let's imagine there's a Paleolithic tribe, with tall grasses all around their little fire circle, and they hang around their fire circle at night, they hear things rustling in the grass, and if a kid gets a little too close to the tall grass, they're gone. Poof. Might be a saber-toothed cat or some other predator in the tall grass is snagging the kid but now they tell stories of some sort of a demonic presence that's out there in the tall grass lurking, and any child who strays away from the family, it snatches up. As the years progress, they're telling these stories, they find that if they leave offerings at a little table near the tall grass, that there seems to be less likelihood of the children getting taken. As the story has progressed, generation after generation, this demon now becomes a protector of children. They're leaving offerings to keep their children safe. The more they tell these stories, the more real that gets and the more effect that it has on the community. Yes, it is influencing their subconscious behaviors, because as they're making these offerings or leaving these prayers or telling their stories, the children know to stay away from the edge of the tall grass, the parents know to keep more of a watch on their children, but it is having that collective influence on them. Every single culture has done this. Every single god that is in our cultures, from the Babylonians, Macedonians, Norse, Celtic, Egyptian, tend to be these collectively created egregores. They subsist off of our belief, we need to believe in them. They'll do little things here or there to get our belief, to influence things so we go, oh, geez, it's out there. Now, a very benign example of an egregore is Christmas Eve, when you're feeling that glimmer in the air, when there's just that sense of awe and joy and you have this generosity of giving and that vibe just seems to be so much higher, so you let yourself tune into it and you're giving to each other and the kids have that magic and wonder going on in their life, that is the egregore of Santa Claus. We are willingly engaging in a possessory right of tuning into that egregore and letting it go through us and influence through us. That's how Santa Claus can visit every child's home all around the world in one night, because it is this collectively-created entity. Well, they come in all sorts of flavors. Abandoned asylums, when there is definitely paranormal activity going on and we tell stories about the horrors that have happened in there, we're creating this collectively-created entity, and it needs our belief in these horrors and the terrors going on in there. And so it will provoke us to get that belief and that energy from. So egregores come in all flavors from gods and angels and demons to Santa Claus to haunted locations, they're the big nasties that people encounter when they go to some of these really bad, haunted places.

AUBREY: Santa Claus is such a good example, such a beautiful example. Santa Claus is real, to a certain extent. The fact that the parents are actually delivering the presents, people get lost in what is real and what is not real. Yeah, all right, the parents are delivering the presents, but they're delivering it under the influence of the egregore, the spirit of Santa, potentially, potentially not. But it's there, it's present. The more that spirit is invoked, the more that Santa Claus is real, and it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that the hands of the parents are actually the ones that are putting the things into the tree and eating the cookies and drinking the milk. They're in the spirit of the egregore of Santa. It's a much more beautiful and powerful way to look at it and tell the story. It reminds me of another one of my friends who you would absolutely, you and him would hit it off with, he's a very magical being, his name's Anthony West--

KAEDRICH: Oh, yeah! 

AUBREY: You know Anthony? 

KAEDRICH: Oh yeah, good stuff. He does good work.

AUBREY: So Anthony was talking about how when he was younger, he was dead set on trying to have some telekinesis activate within him. He was trying to move this can from one spot of the desk to the other spot of the desk. He was so frustrated that he couldn't move it with his mind and then as he tells the story, he gets into this trance state. And then he's like, "I can do this, I can move this can." He says, unconsciously, his hand went and moved the can and he was like, "Oh, oh, I get it. I am moving it with my mind, I'm just using my hand, because my hand follows the rules of this world. And I just moved in with my mind," this unconscious process of moving it. It was this real revelation to him about the nature of magic and how, just because it was the hand that moved it, didn't mean that his mind didn't actually move it just in some regard. And just because the parents are the ones dropping off the presents doesn't mean that Santa didn't do it too. It just needed the assistance of these actual physical beings.

KAEDRICH: Absolutely and that's the key to how magic works. It's not this Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo, Harry Potter waves a wand and then it magically appears. It's a shifting of internal belief, an opening to reception of the reality of the situation, which is why I tell people that the ritual chamber is actually a reset button for your mind. That's where you get a new perspective of how the world works and then the medium of manifestation for magic is actually time. It follows the exact same rules of our reality. It just needs that time to manifest. And so if somebody wants to experiment with that, the almost sort of Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo magic, is when you're driving, don't try to get a green light, don't try to make your light turn green, because the other side has to have a yellow light first. So you try to manifest the yellow light for them, so that you can finally get the green light for you. Because if you get the green light and they have a green light, it's a mess, and you don't want that but the rules of that system is they have to have a yellow light here first, then a green light here. So always be aware of the rules of our reality and then what needs to be shifted in the causal order of things, and then make that little shift, even if it's a physical action that you have to take. Make that shift.

AUBREY: It also reminds me of one of the myths. Disney does a good job of telling myths and interesting stories but if you break apart some of these stories, you'll find the truth that's hiding in the fiction, the truth that's hiding in the lie and the story of Peter Pan, we all know that every time someone doesn't believe in fairies, a fairy dies. And Tinker Bill goes into dire straits depending on which story, as people fail to believe in fairies anymore. This is the idea, ultimately, which is saying that belief is what fuels the existence of these things. So the gnomes that still are a part of the Norse culture, the modern iteration of Scandinavian Norse culture, they still, in some way, mildly exist in that place where they don't exist in other places. It's the belief that feels it. So Disney was actually, through its mythological lens, telling us a true story about the nature of reality. But of course, we just think, oh, it's just Peter Pan, it's just a story. But potentially, they were pointing at and then they had a hidden truth within the fiction of that cartoon.

KAEDRICH: Oh, absolutely. And a lot of movies hide his hidden truths. But you're right, there are a plethora of spirits out in the world and the Norse still believe in the huldufólk, the hidden people. It's a matter of tuning in. Can you tune in to see what they are, where they are, how they interact with, and you have to have that belief and that believing-seeing dynamic kicks in, and suddenly it's there. And it's like, "Whoa!" Another movie that does, I think, a really good job of explaining this one, it's a little less known than "Peter Pan", a Russian-made Movie In English, called "Branded". The gist of it is, is eventually this man gets a certain level of awareness and awakening that he sees all of these corporations have these tuples that are attached to the corporation, getting kids to eat these burgers like crazy and making themselves obese, and they can't stop getting this, or buy this and buy that, get into that greed and that consumption because that belief in that corporate identity, that belief in that corporate branding, is what's fueling that tulpa of that organization causing the financial success of that organization. But the average person has absolutely zero idea that they're being influenced not only by the marketing and the advertising, but at the energetic collective unconscious level that they're believing in that brand is the best one, this is the only one that works for me. Well, there might be another brand that can do just as good. No! It's just this one. That's us agreeing with that tulpa of that organization going, "Nope, I'm only going to buy this brand, because it's the only good one that's out there." That movie, "Branded", is a little over the top wacky but it's fun. But it also gives that emphasis that there's something more going on than just marketing.

AUBREY: I remember, it was probably 2015 and I started my company Onnit in 2011, really was when it took off and it was about 2015 or so that I went into a medicine journey, I think it was a mushroom journey. I actually encountered the tulpa of Onnit. And I went, "Oh shit, this isn't my company anymore. It's its own life form and it's been powered by all of the customers, everybody who's worked out in the gym, everybody who's talked about it, everybody who's..." It was a beautiful entity but I was like, "This is crazy." I could feel that it had its own life form, and it had its own structure. That thing was actually what carried it forward from that point. Initially, it was my belief and then just pushing out and building this thing but then it got momentum like the flywheel effect. All of a sudden, it was an entity that was far beyond what I had created, it was its own thing, and that momentum has just continued to carry and will continue to carry. And, of course, it could be changed but that would be a very difficult task and it would actually be catastrophic, because that entity that's been so powerful would have to die. That's the thing that I think I have so much faith about, not only about the new owners, because I ended up selling the company last year, have faith in the new owners and the existing employees, everybody there, but I also have faith in the entity, that the entity is real, and it wants to survive and thrive in the same beautiful way that it always had. I still feel it, it's still strong in doing its thing, even though I have much, much less involvement with it now than I used to.

KAEDRICH: Absolutely, that's a beautiful example of experiencing that tulpa of a business. They're very real and yes, it starts off with you, as the spark, you planting the seed into the mind of the collective and then all of those people who are in agreement with that seed that you created, they fuel the seed, they fuel that energy into it, they feed the soil, they get the water, the sunlight to that seed, so that it grows into this big beautiful thing that is not as conscious in the way that we are conscious. But it has its own consciousness, it has its own awareness, it has its own need for self preservation in existence so it will do what it needs to do in positive ways. Because it's a positive organization. It's a positive thing that you've created. So by helping people achieve their fitness goals, by helping them get to a healthier place, people are feeding it with like, "Wow! This stuff is amazing. It works. It's great. I get how this works and I want to tell my friend about how this works because it's great stuff." They're getting this positive feedback from them. So even though that movie "Branded" is about the negative side of tulpas, the positive side of tulpas are out there as well, which goes back to I emphasize people take charge of yourself, own your own power instead of everything else because people who are in a good position, who have a good heart, a good mind, good intentions for this world, need to tap into that power, need to tap into their financial resources and make things happen because that's how we're shifting the collective unconscious, by people like you doing the work that you were doing and other people are doing very, very similar work, creating these positive tulpas, these positive tulpas for change, because the shift in the collective unconsciousness that we need, happens one person at a time influencing ever growing pools of people that influence other growing pools of people too. So I love the work that you're doing and continuing to do because you are helping the world as well as everybody else who is tuning into what you're doing. It's amazing stuff.

AUBREY: Let's continue, we're in pretty safe territory right now. We're still on a big sturdy branch before we dive into the sea of woo. These things all make a lot of sense and you can explain them in a lot of ways but let's keep going beyond egregores and carry on with the pantheon of interesting entities.

KAEDRICH: Absolutely. It is my personal belief that there are actually only three religions in the world. Ha! Here we go. There is the belief in the solar deities, the solar- seasonal cults. They believe that everything happens by the sun's passage of movement, and the 12 months of the year, the four seasons, everything is very seasonal-oriented. So they tend to be fertility, they tend to focus on sexuality, possibly. Versions of Christianity are also an offshoot of the seasonal-solar cult, the sun and the moon and all of these kinds of movements are out there is one version of it. And this is a lot of pagan traditions tend to be seasonal-solar cults. In these traditions, they have ascribed natural forces with supernatural anthropomorphized abilities: the god of the sea, the god of the air, the god of the land, the god of fertility, the god and goddess of fertility, the masculine-feminine principles. So all of our ancient cultures that have created these fertility deities are creating egregores that we believe in. Like if we're doing the Norse tradition, Freyr and Freya, I've experienced them as very real so it’s a lot of different people, but they are egregores of the collective that created Freyr and Freya, variations of Odin. These egregores still exist from all over these traditions all over these worlds. They got demonized, the Babylonian, the Canaans and the Macedonians got demonized. Now they're listed in the false hierarchy and the the Goetia as demonic entities, but they were just benevolent, helpful gods to the pre-Semitic religions that were demonized Middle Ages, and now people today are opening up these books, thinking they're calling on demons, but they're just calling on variations of egregores. A funny example of how egregores work comes to us from the TV show, "American Gods". It's the Easter episode, where they go through this mansion run by Ostara and she's the goddess of Easter, the Norse goddess of Easter, but there are Jesuses there, lots of Jesuses, some that are doing the healing, some that has a stigmata going, some that are walking across water and they're saying that every one of these Jesus comes from a different version of Christianity that believes in a separate version of Jesus. So they're all real, it's just they go by the same name, but we're tuned into it. So that's how these seasonal solar cults create egregores. Now there is another religion out there that believes in extra-dimensional, inter-planetary creatures and deifies them. These are what we will experience in the DMT world, these are what we experience when I use Black Mirror. They are these influential entities that come from other layers of reality, they are sovereign, sapient beings like humans are; they have a natural existence, a natural creation, but because they live in another layer of reality, another density of existence, they aren't quite physical like we are, but they still can have influence over us. In truth, what they get out of us is debatable. Is it our emotion? Is it our belief that I thought? Do they want something more? Is there some sort of a karmic connection to our spiritual evolution to them? I don't know. But there are many different traditions out there that believe in these interdimensional beings and they brought in. This is where we talk about like Viracocha, Thoth, even maybe Hathor and Odin, believe it or not, tends to be one of these interdimensional beings. So our religions are out there having that. But now there's this third religion that's out there that I believe might actually be the religion of these interdimensional beings. And as humans, we interpret them as serpent cults. Now the serpent is not this evil, negative demonic entity, actually. A serpent is a symbolization of wisdom of your own higher self, your own higher abilities. This is the Kundalini rising, with the serpents rising up the meridian, going into this higher state of being. These serpent cults are all about how do I move myself into a higher state of being, to a higher frequency, so I can gain a higher level of consciousness? It is through this work of working through whatever it is that you want to call it to move to a higher state of being where you can see the egregores, where you can see these interdimensional beings, where you can see how they're working because your mind is now on a different level, on a different frequency and you're going, "Oh." I see over there that the church has created a reality bubble, which is just like a field of energy, a programming of explaining this is how the world works, this is how reality functions and everybody who believes in that subset of reality, that subset of collective unconscious, create the reality through their continued belief. And this egregore is just continuing to fuel that and the people who are in that reality bubble are 100% dead certain that this is exactly how the world works. And you know what? They're right 100% of the time, because they are collectively creating that until somebody comes along and goes, "But wait, wait, wait, wait. Does it have to be like that? Can we do this?" Then they tend to be ostracized, kicked out, thrown out and then their mind opens and goes, “Whoa, the world is vastly different than what I thought it was.” That's a little bit of a deeper dive into how these things work and influence us as they are creating our belief patterns on how we believe that the world works, because it tunes us into them. And just like you were talking about the code exchange, when we are in their presence, we are getting a code exchange from them, they're getting it from us, so they're getting something out of it. And when we commune together to believe in these reality bubbles, when we commune together to believe in these deities, we are opening ourselves up through internal agreement to their influence and saying, "Yes, show me how the world works, tell me what I need to be doing." And then we go out and behave in the world, and the way our brain works is what we believe, we perceive it and that's all we perceive, so that's exactly how the world works and now we're creating it. It's not that it's a dangerous thing that these things are influencing us in our world. It's just a natural part of how the world works. If you're unaware of it, you could succumb to the influence and just go with the flow, which a lot of people do.

AUBREY: Yeah, they're unconscious to all of these influences that are around them. And it's interesting because again, going back to my inner circle, my own personal life and the belief systems that I have and hold. So my partner by Vylana, she started getting these interactions with a being and this being was an energy that would actually come through her as her but not quite her. She didn't understand it and it was actually quite terrifying to her when she felt this energy, this immense surge of power, this feeling of looking out at the world, ready to devour any darkness. Actually, I've seen this happen with her. Her eyes start blinking and this whole energy just comes through her in this really, really powerful way. When it first started coming through, it was a little bit chaotic and I think because she was wrestling with it. Ultimately, I think, coincidentally or not, one of the big, right above my main altar, I have a picture of Kali, the dark goddess standing on Shiva. And one day she was just looking at that and always wondering, why does he have this above his altar? I don't even know why I had it above my altar, ultimately. It's a pretty intense image. She has a necklace full of severed arms and heads and she has her tongue out and a bloody sword in one hand, and she's like “aahh” But there was something really beautiful about Shiva, just on his back looking up at her like, "Ah, isn't she great?" There was just some beautiful message that was being transmitted through that balance of the acceptance of that wild, fierce, destructive force of the feminine. Something clicked and she was like, "Oh, I think this is Kali." And then as she started to understand Kali more, she's gotten deeper and deeper into a relationship with this entity, this entity that obviously is being continually worshiped in India and different parts of the world still, actually to this day, as it has been for a long time, so an entity with a lot of collective strength, that still has a lot of belief holding it. She's able to access this entity. And it'll come out when she's doing energy work, when she's clearing darkness. Actually, there was an accident that happened in one of our Ayahuasca ceremonies and the shamans actually had to leave the maloca. This colleague came through, and was like, "Okay, I'm on guard." She was just looking around at the outside of the maloca, which is where we sit and drink and being like, "Don't you even think about coming in here, any darkness. I will fucking eat you and I will love it. I will transmute you back to light." She was just on all fours, tongue out, blinking, like, "Please try me." She just held the space of the maloca. She didn't know what was going on. She didn't even know the shamans were leaving. It's pitch dark. These things happen and then all of a sudden, so in our world, it's like, "Oh yeah, that's just Kali." When I see that come through, I'll just say, "Hey, welcome goddess." And there's no friction in my belief system. Same with my dear, dear friend, Caitlyn, who has a proclivity to access what you would call Mother Mary energy. We don't have either Hindu or Christian belief systems. But that's the closest approximation now. She's actually going even deeper and finding, potentially, that energy is a Mesopotamian, I think, goddess Inanna, I think I'm saying that right. But ultimately, this energy that she accesses is the fiercest compassion. It's the fiercest compassion. When I experienced that, it's, particularly for me, one of the most powerful medicines that I can experience because, she speaks to me and they both speak in different languages that are unintelligible, but she'll speak and go through this process where I can tell that she's feeling all of my pain and feeling it and exaggerating it, just to show me that I feel what you feel, I know what you feel and I'm so with you that I'll feel it to an extent that you can't even feel it. So not only am I with you, I am in so much compassion for you, that I'll show you how much I'm with you by feeling it even more than you'll ever feel it and we're in this together. That is just this amazingly cathartic process of whoa! This is her, the energy that comes through her more frequently. I don't think that, for the rest of their life, there'll be limited access to these particular things. But it's very interesting that those are the ones that seem to reliably come through for each of these two, the two most important females in my life other than my mother and family sister or whatever. It's a part of our reality. There's no friction, and when that happens, it's like wow, welcome goddess, whether you call it Mary or Inanna or Kali, there's probably many names for this energy. But this is our life, this is our magical, magical existence. It's so real. You feel it in every cell and fiber of my being. The amazing Randi would probably look at it and say, "Look at these kooks speaking in tongues." And that would be real for him, but for us, inside this field, inside this field of reality, it's absolutely real.

KAEDRICH: Well, hey, the only language I'm extremely fluent in is glossolalia. But you're absolutely right. This is a beautiful story, because the dark goddess is alive and well and she is out there. A lot of the guys that I've worked with, a lot of the men, either they've been deployed overseas or they've had some really tragic times in their life, the dark goddess has actually come to them, and they've all seen them in different ways. It could be Hecate, Hecate comes through a lot, but there has been a Innana, there's been Hel, from the Norse tradition, there has been Kali. She's been showing up a lot, a lot, a lot in people. Their experience is exactly what you described. And so a lot of these men are a little put off by it. They're a little trepidatious about dealing with it. They're really confused and concerned, because she's coming in and exacerbating some of that pain. And they're like, "I don't want to relive this, I don't want to go through this. I just want to stuff it down and not feel it." And I'm like, "No, no, no, no. She's here to help you transform that darkness into the light. She's helping you to heal through that because if you can feel that pain, you can acknowledge that. Now we can do our shadow work together. And she's a companion there to help you work through the shadow, through that darkness, so that you can heal from the tragedy, from the trauma that you encountered." So absolutely, the dark goddess is alive and well. She's everywhere. It's interesting, as a contrast to your explanation, I haven't seen it too much with women lately but it's been a lot of men, mostly men who were overseas, are experiencing this dark goddess and wondering what she's all about. So I love that you brought this up so that we can bring that to a lot of the guys out there. If you're feeling that she's out there, accept her embrace, because it's not cold and harsh and damaging, it's actually loving and caring. The only way to get through that pain is to acknowledge it a little bit, to accept it, to understand the lessons that came from it, to do the shadow work so that you can actually heal from it. That's what she's there for. Thank you for bringing that up.

AUBREY: Yeah, for sure, for sure. And I think, you know, seeing them embodied in somebody you love is actually a lot easier to, in my shoes, it's like oh, this is my sweetheart and my best friend, it actually makes it really easy to understand that this isn't scary and it's here for a really positive reason. I can imagine it being more scary if you're encountering it in the astral, and also don't have any belief system about it, whoa, what is this thing, but as you see it embodied and taking form inside people you love, it's a different experience. It seems like it's happening more and more frequently in our circle, because I think our field, many people have seen this, and we're all on the same medicine path, we're five days out from going to do another ayahuasca journey with El Dragon, we're a part of this field of belief. And if you do ayahuasca enough, it opens up the ethereal membrane, as you said and you experience things that are inexplicable. There's a combination of that, the opening of belief, and also the code exchange as people have seen these transmissions come through, and all of a sudden transmissions will activate in their own signature. They're not copying anything, they're all radically unique in their energetic signature, probably based on resonance with who that person has formed themselves to be and what that external energy is. There's a resonance link, that is actually very precise. And so Caitlyn's version of Mary, Inanna, is different from anybody else's version, because it's coming through the unique self of Caitlyn. Vylana's version of Kali is a unique version of that energy but still some of that energy is pouring through the unique expression of that being and creating something really new, new in the world, but also ancient at the same time.

KAEDRICH: Yep, you just described what I call an energetic anchor point. This is how these entities connect with us. I don't like to use the word agreement, because it has a different connotation of what I'm implying here but it's the best word that we have for it. And by agreement, I don't mean consciously willingly going, "Yes, you can attach to me and I will bond to your energy." I mean, at the energetic, at the visceral, emotional level, that there's something inside of us that is in resonance with these entities, even if it's just for a moment, or it's part of our belief system, or something. There's no words to describe it but there's this energetic anchor point, where there's that energetic agreement. And so they are, in some way, tuned in to that dark goddess, to that Kali, to that Innana and there's now allowing that to be coming through. Because they're aware of it, and because it's a positive thing, they are allowing that to happen. Even if it's at the subconscious, energetic level, they're allowing that to happen, because there is a benefit to them, for sure, and a benefit to you and for other people. So that energetic anchor point is something we all create, we all work with. Sometimes it's not for our benefit, because sometimes, we're brought up with a belief you're not good enough, you can never do anything, you just suck at everything. So we create that energetic anchor point and then we bring an entity to us that is like, "Yeah, you just can't do this." You're just not going to succeed with that. And that's fueling that inner belief, that inner belief pattern that we go out into the world and we now prove it. You're right, it is this continuous resonance that we're having which goes back to filling that glass with wine. You are that glass full of water. Do your spiritual work, do your prayer, do your meditation, do your exercise, do everything that you can to tune yourself into a higher frequency being. Now this is where the dark goddess energy comes in, and the shadow work comes in, that's amazing because we can go into that energetic anchor point. We can actually go into the body, into the energy fields, with our consciousness, and have a dialogue with it and say, "Why are you here? How are you actually helping me?" Because even if it's something negative and disruptive right now in our life, at some point in our life, it actually helped us. It gave us that hostility, it gave us that aggression, it gave us that negative output that helped us to adapt to the situation we were in. So we needed that for who we were at that time period but now when we're out of that, we're like, "Okay, I don't need this anymore. This isn't working." How do we get out of it? That's where the dark goddess comes in and exacerbates that pain a little bit so we can see it, so we can be aware of it and go, "Oh, God, this is awful. This sucks. What's this all about?" And then she goes, "Great, now you can alchemize it, now you can work with this." There's a secret to that energetic anchor point that tells you who you really are, and what's valuable to you, and who the core of your being is. When you get through that darkness, when you get through all of that you go, "Oh, that's why I'm important. That's what's so really cool about me," and it was just hiding underneath that layer of darkness in that energetic anchor point. Now you can still use that energetic anchor point, and now attune it to a different frequency so that it's now bringing in entities to you that are in resonance to you. This is a very real case. I'm not going to name any names because it's happened to multiple clients. They were in abusive relationships, they separated. But there's still that connection going on because of that energetic anchor point, having a tendril to this abusive person. We work on cutting that tether, we work on resolving this energetic anger point, it exacerbates the other person. They're calling now, they're getting a little bit worse. But they're doing their inner work, they're doing their healing, they're like nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, no. Then we do the tuning of the frequency. Who is that person that you are? Who are you authentically? And we're going to resonate that energetic anchor point with who you are authentically. Now all of a sudden, another person comes into their life that resonates with their frequency, that augments who they are, and they're like, "I get it now." That's how I was able to use that energetic point, letting go of this thing that wasn't helping me any longer so that I could be me, finding somebody who really augments who I am. This has happened, multiple clients, and then not just at the physical personal level, but even spiritual connections. They get rid of that negative entity saying, "You suck. You suck. You suck. Stop trying anything to connect with that high level being of yeah, 'We'll give that a shot, see what happens. Oh, yeah, you did it, man. Do it again. Yeah, there you go. Do it again. Yeah!'" Where it becomes like this cheering section. And it just comes to tuning in and making that shift.

AUBREY: You just helped me make a connection between two, what I thought were desperate phenomena. So in my study with Maestro Hamilton Souther, ayahuasca shaman who studied under Maestro Alberto Davila, who studied under Maestro Julio, this lineage of mestizo shamans, they really were known for hex reversals. In the world of ayahuasca shamanistic lore, there are Brujos who actually can put energetic curses or bad medicine or hexes, or ways in which they can siphon energy and they're actually not curanderos. Curanderos are not there to actually heal you. They're there as predators, as parasites or predators, in this law of the jungle mentality, again, not thinking of themselves as good or bad. They're thinking of themselves as the jaguar and you're the taper. That's it. They're just eating, they're eating. Nonetheless, people don't want that as a part of their life, they don't want to be the fodder for some more powerful energetic beings. So maestro Alberto and Hamilton would reverse these, and remove these hexes, and I actually was there to witness one of them and I've told the story many times, I won't tell it again, with my former partner Whitney, where she had this horrible ayahuasca experience with this one female shaman, this Bruja and came back and was just so much worse for having done ayahuasca than when she arrived. It was just gnarly, and I could tell something was off. So we went to see Maestro Alberto and Maestro Hamilton. He goes to do his Benthamiana around and everybody gets the same song but with her, he stops and he smokes his mapacho and he takes a moment and he starts singing this strident bone-chilling, has hair-standing-on-its-end Icaro to reverse the hex and change the nature of the magic because it was magically placed on her, and in the same way, it was removed through that energetic field. And of course, that was a huge turning point in Whitney's journey. After that, all of the symptoms and feelings that she'd felt from that previous encounter with that Bruja were all gone and she was all good. It was really, unbelievably tangible, what actually occurred. But in their tradition, when they do that, when they reverse one of those hexes, they come into contact with the person who placed the hex. That's just the nature of that reality in which they live. Typically, they will go into a battle at that point. Once they've made contact, then it's this astral battle where they bring all of their allies and all of their Icaros and all of their things and they go into a contest. Now Roberto and Julio and Hamilton, they were Billy the Kids. They were the fastest, strongest, baddest, gunslingers. They were Achilles and Hector combined. They were great warriors, so they would always win. And I remember, after they finished that, they all sat down, Hamilton and Alberto sat down in the chairs and Alberto was like, "Well, let's go get her." And Hamilton was like, "No, no, no, no. Let's not fight today. We'll give her a free pass. We're just going to be here with the people." So they ended up not fighting that night in the ceremony because they had a different intention. I don't think Alberto liked that very much because he's born as a warrior. He wanted to make that woman pay, make the Bruja pay for doing that. And also, there's ways that they can harvest magic. It's this whole system. But I tell that story about the awareness of the person who actually placed the hex. Both people become aware. It's not like only the shamans inside that maloca become aware. The other person who placed the hex becomes aware. There's this awareness. And they enter into this consciousness link, where then they have the opportunity, they see each other, and they decide whether they're going to fight. So as you were talking, all kinds of bad magic, we place on each other through these toxic relationships. It's not very much different than a hex. If you've told someone how worthless they are, how terrible they are or been abusive to them, it's its own form of hex, it's its own form of Brujeria, of sorcery, of bad magic. As that person heals that, doesn't have to be by any means, by magical means. Recently, I had a dear sister of ours who had a very toxic former relationship that was still lingering. As she's gone through a healing process, through all of the different ways, the breath works and everything that we've been doing together, he's come out of the blue, and started hitting her up and texting her and offering her different things, "Oh, you need some financial help? Here, let me do this and this," just out of the blue. As she healed, it was almost like what was happening in that situation was the unconscious version of exactly what the ayahuasca shamans talk about, is that when you heal, both parties will become activated, because they'll realize that this energetic link is now being severed, is now being removed. Even completely unconsciously, these things will happen. And that's what you're expressing in your clients. It's like these energetic cords are being removed. I've also had a hard time with people who were five months into their spiritual practice being like, "Let's do a cord-cutting ceremony," and I'm like, "Shut the fuck up. You can't cut it that easily. It's not like you just imagine scissors and you cut it. It's deeper than that." These things take time to actually heal. You can't just cut a cord. It's not that fucking simple. I mean, maybe for Maestro Alberto, you can Icaro some magical tendril out of there but this takes intense work and it takes some real healing, but also that supernatural connection, that link between people, I've seen that happen for sure in friends that have started to heal, just like you said, heal these past traumatic experiences where that person just comes out of the blue, is like here I am, you're like, "Whoa. That's wild."

KAEDRICH: In fact, that's what I've experienced with a lot of my clients too, is as we're working then, whatever their energetic relationships are, I first get them on solid ground, get them on solid footing. I help them to build a sanctuary, which is an energetic sanctuary around them so that they are safe and protected, that they've got their spiritual resources that they can connect with, that they work with and then when it comes time to do that clearing, when it comes time to do that cord-cutting, sometimes we'll do a psychic Gestalt session, where I'll help guide them into a deeper state of meditation, to a deeper state of inner world and they'll go to a neutral field, and they'll bring that person in with them, and say everything they wanted to say to that person, unfortunately, do anything that needs to be done to that person, smack them over the head by a two by four or something just to say cut it out. And then we'll go into that energetic anchor point and clear it out. And I will tell them, "After we do this work, get ready, because things are going to be different a little bit." That person, just like what you're saying, is going to feel it. They're going to come back. But also for the next few days... I'm a big proponent that we are not spiritual beings having a human experience. We're spiritual and physical beings having a dynamic experience. I've seen, when we clear these anchor points, we clear these attachments out of the way, there is like a toxic release of the cells of the body, because the cells in our body get used to those same chemicals and the same emotional chemicals rolling over and over and over and over again. Now we've released that attachment, we release that anchor point, we've cut that cord, we've done that work, the next few days, they're going to experience a drop, their body needs to detox, they need to get their lymph nodes active and flushing the stuff out, drinking a lot of water. So it's going to have an immediate impact on their whole world. So you're absolutely right. It's not something that you can go to like a psychic fair and say, "Hey, I've got this ex-boyfriend, cut that cord, let it go." Sure, we can do that but it's going to only reattach. And it's going to be there again a little bit stronger, because you haven't done the inner processing necessary to keep it off. And at the same time, I've had clients where we're doing some energy work, we're doing some attachment clearing, we're doing entity release, we're doing the cord-cutting as needed and I come across entities, attachments, I come across the chords and they're like, "Nope, you are not ready to let that go yet." If we let that thing go and we cut that connection, it's going to be so disruptive for your life. We need to continue doing work in this area, that area, and this stuff. So it's like you said, not something to take lightly, not something we're just going to do at a psychic fair and buy a magic feather and make it go away. You got to do the inner work to keep it away.

AUBREY: Yeah, yep. All right, so we're sitting here in the room with my buddy Christian and he's had a very profound encounter with what he believes and identifies as an archon. And this being, just steeped in darkness, distortion, delusion, malice, whatever you want to ascribe to it, depending on ultimately your purview, I think, is the question, and like you said, depends on which side of the fork you're in, and I do believe that all of these, even the dark energies, the distortions, the delusions, all of this, ultimately serves the light in creating the infinite complexity and the opportunity for courage, all of these magical things that are part of our world. But for us in our position, sometimes we're on the wrong end of that fork and these entities seem very malicious, very malignant. He's had one of these encounters. A lot of these things that we're talking about really are dependent upon resonance, and I can tell you, I've been in a ceremony with Christian, there's not a lot of darkness that's in resonance with this guy. It's not he's like one of those people where you're like, "You cooked this up in your own kitchen, buddy." It really feels like if I take him at his word, that he was encountering something outside of himself, that was filled with malice and was definitely malignant, and it was a really terrifying and soul-rocking experience, that he, ultimately, made it through, of course. But what would you say about these archon energies? Of course, a lot of people right now, if you go on Instagram and just Google around and screw around, a lot of people are feeling like there's these reptilians and there's these archons and there's these things that are attacking us right now in our world. It's very much in the zeitgeist. What do you have to say about these almost even more externalized aggregated forces that you could call archons?

KAEDRICH: Archons run the gamut of everything from egregores to extra-dimensional entities. They're real. They're out there. They're influencing everything from the average-day person to media resources, to politicians, but whether they are absolutely these externally-created entities, externally-existing entities or if they are projections from us, it's one of those, they're both. We're both creating them because we believe that humans are good and nice and fine and the only way somebody would do something awful and evil is if there's a demon tempting them. Therefore, we're creating this demon. That's the only reason why these politicians are doing this is because there's an archon, influencing them, making them do it. True. That can happen and there are entities that exist in different layers of reality, different levels of existence. And for us, love and compassion is self-sustaining where collaboration and cooperation is a great way of really augmenting who we are and building up where we are. There would be other entities that maybe need this destructiveness that's out there; this fear, this temptation that's out there. Your friend may not have been the one to draw here, but collectively, as a humanity, we have this programming inside to expect the worst, that the worst is going to happen, here's this worst case scenario. And collectively, we're tuning ourselves into this archonic energy, so that we're bringing them in. I do think that people get the occasional exposure to these external forces, not because they drew them to them, not because they're there but to bring an awareness of hey, this thing is out there, this is why the work you're doing is so important so that you are stopping the influence of this kind of a being over all of these people out there. Sometimes it's a training lesson. Myself, personally, and with clients and with friends, I've actually seen them have a higher self experience that was an ass-kicker. Higher self came in as a demonic force, just disrupting, destroying everything, throwing them into a state of fear and panic and anxiety, so that they shifted their life. So they did something different. So a higher self can be a jerk, a real jerk sometimes.

AUBREY: Yeah, in the short term.

KAEDRICH: Yeah, in the short term, exactly. 

AUBREY: It's just a lack of perspective of time and purview. But yes, for sure, for sure. In my own experiences, the closest thing to an archon I encountered, I mean, I've encountered some massive dark entities, like the one that was the world crusher. I've told many of these stories, but one that I haven't told very much is about, what I experienced was, I call it the mecha archon or it was like the techno archon. It was this egregore of technology itself, which was only interested in growth and efficiency and was absolutely devoid of the ability to receive compassion, or to have compassion or to actually even receive love. It was one of the more challenging encounters because even with the world crusher, I ultimately came into resolution with my encounter with the world crusher. And again, these are all on ayahuasca. I'm not just walking down the street and like experiencing this. This is the middle of Ayahuasca ceremony, darkness, Icaros, the whole thing. With the world crusher, ultimately, I was able to float up, give him a kiss on the forehead, it seemed like him but who knows, horns and the whole deal, crashing worlds and sands. There was this softening, his eyes actually turned into heart emojis and there was this end of this massive conflict that we had, I was able to love it. With the mecha archon, this techno archon, it didn't matter. Love didn't matter to it. It didn't seem to affect it. That was an interesting one where it was like it didn't have the receptor for that encounter and it also wasn't particularly interested in fucking with me either, because it had no emotional attachment to it. It was almost like I was there. I couldn't stop it. It didn't care that I was there. It was just on its directive to grow and continue to amass and continue to create efficiency. But it was a very interesting experience that was unique in the fact that it seemed like, all right, when we certainly are and I think people can, I'm sure, resonate with this idea that technology is becoming a being in and of itself. That, not only, is on our phones and on our computers and in our algorithms but there's an egregore, a massive archon of technology itself. And this is one that you're not going to be able to magically defeat it with love because it appears in my encounter with it like it didn't give a shit. That was its very nature was that it didn't, I think that strategy for that has to be really going deeply internally into our self-relationship with it. The only way to actually bring that under control is to bring our own relationship, because we are emotional beings, our own relationship with our own piece of that archon under control.

KAEDRICH: Yep, that brings up a few points. Remember, Shiva is the world crusher. That is one of his aspects. So you're just seeing another face of the Shiva archetype, that's Shiva egregore. You're right, this techno archon, that's out there, completely emotionless, completely devoid of that and it has no way of communicating emotionally. Another example of what I'll give with that is different forces of nature, that we can anthropomorphize into ethereal beings because, in a sense, they are nature spirits. You get a spirit of the air, who is an absolute genius at balancing air pressures and it can balance upper atmospheric and lower atmospheric pressures instantly. But it's very volatile, very violent, and it creates a tornado. This spiritual being has no idea what a house is, doesn't care what a house is, doesn't care that you're living in the house, that you need it for shelter. It just knows about balancing air pressure, and that's all it's going to do. And your house is in the way? Oh, well, whatever. Let's get this thing balanced. And that's the same way with the techno archon but because that techno archon is created by the collective unconscious of humanity, we do have to be aware of three types of transhumanism. I'm actually not an opponent of transhumanism because, of course, there is transhumanism by circuitry integration. We're going to get computer chips in our bodies, eventually. As much as we're going to fight against it, we can't really stop it. That's going to happen eventually. Just like VHS and porn, you just can't stop it. It's going to happen. Another form of transhumanism, of course, is genetic manipulation, you're not going to stop it. People are going to keep using that CRISPR technology. It's going to happen. It's going to affect what it means to be human. But there is the most important part of transhumanism, knowing that these other parts are probably inevitable, unless something really wonky and major happens. We have to be aware of the third form of transhumanism. By understanding that in human nature, we are prone to avoid disaster by focusing on it. That's what kept our Paleolithic ancestors alive. They knew something bad was going to happen, therefore, they focused on the bad. That's why we have a bias towards negative things. That whole 80-20 rule is 80% of our thoughts may be on how negative something is and how bad it is even though it's occurring 20% in the world. That's what kept people alive. That's why we have a natural hardwiring to be biased toward the negative, towards how things could go wrong. But our transhumanism means we can recognise that that's the basic hardwire in our Paleolithic hardwiring and we can evolve beyond that. We have this prefrontal cortex, which no other animal on the planet has, which gives us the ability to override emotions, to give new meaning and purpose to things in the world. So we can look back at past situations and give new meaning to it. And when we embrace that form of transhumanism, where we move beyond the negative hardwiring, where we move into the state of possibility. And reality, we move from this, "Oh my god, what are you going to do to me?" to, "Oh, how can we help?" When we move beyond social Darwinism and have to have this constant competition to cooperation and collaboration, when we learn to start to oppose the archons through anarchy, remember, anarchy is not against government, against control, against ruler, it means you can exist without it, it's not anti-archy, it's anarchy. Jello Biafra once said, we need to rise above the need for cops and laws. That's in that transhumanism and when we are collectively working at that third level of transhumanism, then that mecha archon will still be cold and efficient and calculating and doing what it does, but it will not have a negative impact on the evolution of humanity because we have that third form of transhumanism, moving into that higher state of being collectively.

AUBREY: And this is within our control, and we don't need CRISPR and we don't need a computer chip to actually participate in this evolution. I think a lot of the reason why people are worried about the former two is just really, I mean, the mechanisms of control has become, it's also its own archonic tyrannical force that exists here and giving that force which has been expressed through a variety of different egregores, of pharmaceuticals, to governments to wherever you want to point the flashlight and see this some of this energy of control and tyranny that's been exposed recently. I think the idea of any further control is like, uh-oh. And also, this kind of idea, the hubris that we've shown in this whole Western medicine model of just creating a pill for this, a shot for this, a thing for this, which is saying, "Oh, nature, you did it all wrong, and we'll get it all right." It's not seeing the wisdom in the amazing potential that we have. Now, that doesn't mean that antibiotics don't work and that if you get a staph infection, you shouldn't go in and get it treated. Of course, we understand the benefits of it but we've also seen the hubristic over-extension of that. I think it gives people a good healthy amount of trepidation towards these different things that are coming in, because it almost feels like we need the third level of transhumanism before we can actually control and actually make decisions correctly about the first two versions of it. We need an evolution of consciousness, before we can actually decide how to apply the technology, but you're right. We're not going to stop the technology, it's a force that's going to continue to turn. It's about can we evolve faster so that we can be ahead of the technology so that we're actually steering the technology in a way that's supportive of our magical lives rather than oppressive to it.

KAEDRICH: Absolutely and that's why it's so important to be doing whatever the work is that you're doing, if it's working on yourself to achieve a higher state of cognitive awareness, or you are working to improve your health and physiology, you're working to improve your well-being in whatever way it is. It's that whole epicurean philosophy of I will endure now for the bigger payoff later. I'm going to hit the gym now and eat correctly now so that I have a better, healthier, life ongoing. I'm going to forgo this, I will hate them and I'm going to destroy them because right now they're threatening me, to do your inner work and go, "Oh, I see. They're coming from a place of fear and worry, just as I was before." So we're doing that in our work individually, to affect that collective unconscious. And it doesn't matter what the work is that you're doing. It just matters that you're doing the work and that you're doing it consistently and you're being with it and it is working. In the time of the French Revolution, it was great fun and it was an awesome entertainment, and it's horrible to say this, but people would love to gather on the street to do this, to put a cat into a cage and slowly lower into a fire and revel in the howls and scream of this poor cat. Today, that is so thoroughly reprehensible, we can't even imagine doing something like that. It causes such a visceral reaction in me to even think about doing something like that. There's no way I would do that. And outside of the news media, if we look at the statistics, we are in the most peaceful time in human history ever, and it is continuing to be so. Despite the little wars popping up, despite things happening here and there, we are getting better and better. That is coming from all of us continuing to do our work individually, whatever the work is, because that's how we're going to defeat the archons, that's how we're going to reprogram the egregores is by what we are tuning in individually and what's going to do to make our world right for us at an authentic level.

AUBREY: It's great to get that historical perspective, because it was not that long ago. I mean, the French Revolution wasn't that long ago, where public beheadings, I didn't even know about the this public torture of animals and these ideas. Those were feeding, of course, archonic energies that were prevalent in the time. The influence of within and without was there and present. But that's, of course, it still exists in small pockets and individuals who are very deeply-troubled, who still get sadistic pleasure out of certain things. And certainly, it exists in human trafficking and all of the different, the dark edges, paedophilias, the dark edges of all of the human sexual impulses and the sadism involved in that and this vampiric archon that exists as woven into that. I'm not saying we're in the clear, but if you look, not that far back was the Inquisition where sadism was state and God-sponsored in the most horrific ways you could imagine. You can see this steady, even though it might not look like it if you look at one specific instance, you can see this steady improvement of and steady change of these external forces as we've changed our internal understandings.

KAEDRICH: Exactly and we are continuing to do that. It's weirdly enough to say that sometimes these dark forces that are going on are actually part of the solution. I'll give you a really, really weird example of that. We can think of General Mao, the Chinese general that went into Tibet and caused a lot of slaughter, a lot of torment, a lot of upset. He would be operating, let's say off of that arconic energy, creating that torment, creating that whole awful state. But if you were to ask the Dalai Lama what he thinks of General Mao, he would say, "Oh yeah, he's a Buddha in disguise." Because at that point in the world, Tibetan Buddhism was locked into Tibet. You'd have to go to these isolated monasteries, you'd have to be initiated into the process, which was impossible for an outsider to do. General Mao came in man, disrupted everything, people from Tibet flew all over the world. And now everybody knows about Tibetan-Buddhism. People know about the TM. Oh boy, I can't believe. Transcendental Meditation.

AUBREY: Transcendental Meditation.

KAEDRICH: Right. People know about these processes. People know how to do this work. That could not have happened without something like Mao, and the whole tragedy that he created. The world is a hugely beneficial, much better place because of that tragedy. Isn't it weird to think of it that way? 

AUBREY: Yeah, and extremely heretical too, because, of course, we have to acknowledge the pain and make that. You could say that to someone whose family was slaughtered and they'd be like, "Fuck you!" You're right. Absolutely, you're right! And this other thing is true. So we have to be able to hold paradox. And I think that's a sign of an evolving consciousness is that you're able to hold paradox. You're able to understand that that act was absolutely evil and despicable and completely created intense suffering. And also, on some level, it created another effect, another counter-effect to that force that was also incredibly beautiful and powerful. Quảng Đức, that image of Quảng Đức sitting, which proved something about the human spirit to the whole world when Quảng Đức lit himself on fire, self-immolated, without even flinching, without flinching in the middle of the street, and it was captured on film, on camera. That changed the world. That image went around the world as a meme. That image went around the world, and all of a sudden, people were like, "Holy shit, something more is possible and powerful." And of course, without that force of oppression, then that moment wouldn't have happened and lots of other things wouldn't have happened. We can look at this moment in time and imagine this same thing happening, all of these forces of control and tyranny that are being exposed in these efforts to try and control us and dehumanize us and polarize us, this is going to yes. First of all, you can look at it on the literal plane straight at it. Yeah, it sucks. And it's bad. And we should resist it. However, there's another side that's saying, "Look at what else it's creating. Look at the people it's bringing together. Look at the other forces that are being galvanized and look at what it may end up creating." That's where the optimism comes from actually, is not saying, "Yeah, these forces aren't that bad. They're not that tough. They're not that..." No, I just trust that there's a natural counterbalance. And as these forces push in, there's something else that's going to rise to balance it. And that's why I can still look at this world now and be optimistic. That doesn't mean that I won't be personally wiped out but, fundamentally, optimistic for the future of the world.

KAEDRICH: And that's why I tell people the answer to defeating these are archonic forces, to defeating these negative influential things, or whatever you want to call them, that are out there, all the egregores, the archons, the tulpas, that are creating a negative force in the world, the secret to defeating them is not through combat. We don't go and blow the piss out of the other side. We don't go and eradicate an entire people because they're promoting certain ideologies. We don't destroy and topple governments because we don't agree with them. We don't go right in the street, killing and maiming and destroying, because that's feeding into the archonic values. That's feeding into that negativity. Instead, what you want to do is create, make something, build something and see how it how it sticks, how it lasts, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but if you were to insert something into the collective unconscious through its creation, through its actualization, it will, just like that wind into the water, displace that negativity. That old system that doesn't work will fall away, because you are creating something new. Now I'm not saying this is a case with cryptocurrency. I haven't bought into it, I haven't invested into it, but I'm keeping my eyeballs on it. People are screaming about how the fiat economy is just destroying the world and how the Federal Reserve is destroying economies and governments and I'm like, "Okay. Maybe. Maybe not." But now you have this decentralized cryptocurrency coming in. Maybe that is creating something new that can displace the old. I don't know yet. It's too soon to tell. But that's how we defeat those archonic forces is to create and to constantly create. Like when you created Onnit, that was helping to defeat some of these archonic forces by creating something that worked, that helps people. So we need to be building things, not finding a way to blow a piss out of the other side or destroying this or destroying that. Imagine this, and this is very real. Imagine there's genocide going on in the country, two sides are just killing each other, just devastatingly killing each other, because they're under the control of some sort of archonic forces, killing each other because I'm going to call you this name and I'm going to call you this name, and now we kill each other. So we're going to bring in the peacekeepers who are now destroying both sides. You're still feeding the same archonic force, you're still bringing in the same chaos, destruction, and everything. But where does that lead in the future? It's up to us what we do with it, what we do and how we work with that energy.

AUBREY: Graham Hancock wrote a book called "War God". It's a fiction book and it's such a cool premise. The premise is that as Cortes and the conquistadores were marching their way towards the Aztec capital, they were burning people at the stake that they would encounter, that were heretics, in human sacrifice. Meanwhile, the Aztecs had heard that there was, in their mythology, Quetzalcoatl, which was going to bring this destruction to what they had. And Moctezuma got scared and he started sacrificing people by the tens of thousands. His premise in the book was that they were both actually worshiping the same archonic energy. In the Aztec tradition it was Huitzilopochtli, the hummingbird god. Interestingly, that hummingbird was their war and gruesome blood-sacrifice god. And hummingbirds are so sweet and full of nectar. But anyways, that's the way it was for them. And then, of course, the God of the Bible that the conquistadors believed in, that would sanction human sacrifice, burning people at the stake, it was the same archon. They contacted each other and slaughtered each other and meanwhile that archon was just throwing a party, was like well, look at this, look what we did. We got both sides, both on my team and now they get to both just increase the volume on this archonic energy. That's the story to avoid, is to make sure that we don't, under any circumstance, feed this. Now that doesn't mean that, in the very specific, someone comes in to go rape my wife in the house, that I'm not going to pull my gun and shoot him, I will. You have the right to protect yourself. A rose has its thorn for a reason. You know what I mean? But nonetheless, that's not the way in the macro. Well, it could be the weight in a very unique circumstance, like the ability to protect yourself. It's not the way in this energetic and landscape in the big battle, this vedic Arjuna Bhagavad Gita moment that it feels like we're about to face. How do we fight this big battle that's approaching? Well, we find it by transcending the idea of battle itself.

KAEDRICH: Yep, that's exactly it and that's the complexity of being a human being. You're absolutely right, on the boots on the ground at the moment, you betcha, I'm going to be vicious to protect the loved ones around me. Absolutely. And at the global bigger picture of things, that's where we can get into trouble because some of us, people who have endured some of these traumas in the world, and like you were saying earlier, we could say, "Oh, I see the big picture benefit of this thing. But on that boots in the ground moment, there's going to be lasting PTSD, chronic trauma from it, and it's horrible, and it's awful. That's why we don't perpetuate those cycles by doing what the other side is doing. We don't say, "Well, they're going to do it so I'm going to do it first," or "Well, they did it to me, so I'm going to do it back to them." No, no, no, just like when you encounter the world crusher, it's not love for your enemies, but it's, "I'm going to keep this open. I'm going to be aware. I'm going to try to understand where you're coming from and I'm going to create this big thing that you can't destroy, that helps us out. And when you're ready, maybe you can be invited to be a part of it instead of me fighting to destroy you. Maybe we can work on this together, eventually."

AUBREY: Well, we're coming to a close here. And I think it was actually before the podcast, you mentioned this, and I'm interested in understanding mythology in a different way. You mentioned the word jinn, which is like a genie, and you see this appear in all kinds of different ways and for the life of me, I couldn't understand what this is other than a fairy tale. I was hoping, as a final little nugget, a little bonus round nugget, you could explain your understanding of this energy and what it really actually means.

KAEDRICH: It is a cultural interpretation of the same energies that we're talking about. When we get to the Arabic cultures on this, they are describing these negative beings that have influence over us in one form or another. If I got the mythology right, they were fire beings that were around before humanity existed, and then developed a form of jealousy that God loved humanity the way that he did. And so they had this sort of vengeance plot and tactic against humanity. Other people will say, that's not always the case. They are these higher level beings, they are these other forces that are out there. You can't really trust them but if you're careful, you can work with them, which again, goes right back to the egregore thing, that for whatever reason, some of these get contained into a container, like a spirit bottle or a lamp for the pathology sake, they get contained, which is not a good idea to lock up an entity and any sort of a thing, because they're going to come out, and they're probably going to be a little angry and upset and want some sort of vengeance, which is where we get those tales of the jinn. But the jinn are manifesting in modern cultures and I really hate seeing these footage of this, but they are basically back alley exorcisms going on, people flopping around, cussing, puking, that they need this negative entity removed from them. The mainstream religion doesn't really sanction it. So they're going to their versions of magic users, this sort of thing, to exorcise the jinn out of people when it's most likely not. Still, that's how the jinn are manifesting in the world today as these negative entities and the reason why it's important to look at that is every culture is going to have their own lens of interpreting what these beings are, why they're here, what they're doing. And if we get to the mystical layer to just see what that energy is, what these beings are, we can remove the names, we can remove the depictions and the descriptions, to see exactly how these beings are working at our inner belief level, at our emotional level, at an energetic level. So it might be a jinn to one culture, it might be a demon to another, it might be a Thor, to still another, but they're all the same thing with just different words.

AUBREY: It seems like there's a connection between, and also the jinn and the genie, the ability of this thing to grant a wish. But when I encountered this wish-granting force, it did feel very demonic and it demanded a very steep price. It's this classic Faustian myth. And I think maybe the Disney-ized version, of course, Will Smith as the genie, that's a great situation right there and some very strong magic to contain it and to give you authority over this, ultimately, wild force of power. That fantasy of having the power over chaos, I think is more of a fantasy than a representation of anything, because everything has a cost, it almost feels like it's part of first principles. Things have a cost, an energetic cost and sometimes, in the field of love, the cost is actually immediately replenished, and it becomes this virtuous cycle, this positive feedback loop where it actually isn't cost but it still takes the intention and the energy which you could call a cost, it's just a pleasurable cost that is self-fulfilling, and that's ultimately where you want to be. But it seems like probably the more appropriate way to understand this is that these are tricky, tricky ways in which we can, at the very least, convince ourselves that if we pay this steep price, we will get this great power. Whether that's actually, again, external or internal, this understanding of this first principle of reciprocity of the requirement for a cost for force, actually creating some result, you pay this and this is in many magical dishes, you pay this deep sacrifice, and then you get this powerful reward. It was depicted in Guy Ritchie's "King Arthur", of course, with the villain. It's like you pay the steep price, you get this burst of power. I guess that's a much broader mythos that exists and whether it exists in the external, certainly you can imagine that people, if they believed it, if they believed that they could sell their soul for some power, and then they believe that they had this power, then they would believe themselves depraved of a soul, but also believe themselves, with the ability of this new power that they created. And so, therefore, abracadabra, it would be a part of their reality. So just talking through it, it starts to help me understand why this thread is so common in our mythological zeitgeist.

KAEDRICH: Well, let's look at that transactional nature with some of these entities. If it is something that you have to give up in order to gain something, that there's a price to pay to get this, that's not the transaction you want to interact with. This is taking away something from you so that you get something that's not in resonance with who you are already otherwise, it would be drawn to you. There's another type of transaction. And this is what I've taught in the Norse tradition, where the "Hávamál" says, "Best not to offer too much, for a gift demands a gift." And the way people have interpreted that is when we go to Blót, when we go do a ritual, and we give offerings of food and meat, it's more like, "Hey, you out there, do this for me." Well, that's transactional, it doesn't really work that way. The way that it works, this other non-transaction is what is it that I have already got? What are the things that are working for me now? How do I emphasize gratitude for that and how do I get more of that, because I'm tuning into that one, because that's another one of the rules out there, that similarities attract and perpetuate, right? If you're focusing on what you have, and what's working for you, and you have that gratitude for it, and you're focusing on that, you're going to get more of that. And so it's no longer transactional. It's what I call the reverse battery effect. When you tap into that energy, and you use that energy, you get more of it, because it's already authentically yours. You're resonating with people and beings that are already having that same energy. So you're tapping into it, you're getting more and more and more of it, the more you use it. So you're getting a lot of this back, so it's not transactional, that you have to get rid of this to get rid of that. You're tapping into what you've already got, you're building more of that and suddenly you're abundant and you're prosperous, going, "Wow, where's this coming from?" It's because it's already there. You're just tapping into more of what you already have.

AUBREY: Yep, well said. So one final piece of advice for people who want to take this very esoteric and also practical discussion into a practice, and let's say you want to harness the power to create your own thought forms, to create your own energetic resonance with the thing that you're trying to attract? What other practices do you like, mantra work, do you like it? What are some of the practices that you like to actually start to generate these thought forms and these energies around you? Yeah, what would you recommend?

KAEDRICH: The first best thing to do, constantly working on, is what I call building meta-consciousness. It's a state of consciousness beyond our regular normal consciousness. It's where you can be aware of your awareness, you're conscious of your consciousness. So you know what your thoughts are, what your emotions are, you know how your body feelings, what your energy state is. And so you have this inner observational awareness of who you are and what you are. That will tell you to be aware of what's coming in externally. And then when you're aware of that external thought, you can either tune in or tune out. Meta-consciousness also gives you the power of interruptive thinking. So you get that thought going, "Wow, I just suck at this. I'm no good at this." You can go, "Wait, no. No, no, no. I'm much better at this because look at the things I did there. Look at the things I did there. I can do this. This is great. So you have that power of interruptive thinking, interruptive feeling which that prefrontal cortex does that. So you're having that day where you're like, "God, this just sucks. I feel awful. I'm scared. I don't know if I can do this,"wWell, remember the difference between fear and excitement is just a breath. So acknowledge that and go, "Yep, it's here. I'm feeling that fear. And how amazing would this be if I went and just did that?" If that is coming from an external entity, an external being, by doing that interruptive process by doing that inner thinking, that inner awareness, you're taking away that control and you're building that control for you. It becomes that reverse battery effect. The more you do it, the more powerful it gets, the more you're generating that energy around you and that energy becomes alive with its own existence. and it starts to fuel who you are becoming, constantly becoming. It really starts with that inner awareness, that inner observation and then doing that interruptive processing from that meta-conscious state so that you can create that world around you. And of course, energy hygiene, working on shifting your own energy state, doing some energy clearing, pulling off attachments, because we all get these bottom-feeder attachments that are easy, just go, "Well gone, I don't need you suck in my energy, get out of here." And work on your interrelationship skills with other people, what you deserve for you, that will not only affect your relationships with other people in this world, but your relationships with the spiritual beings out there and will help you take place, take your place and your control over your world. So it's not a quick, easy fix. It takes some time to work on. So give yourself that patience and that work to do that. So that's my advice on that.

AUBREY: Well said, my brother, for anybody who wants to connect more with you, check out what you're doing, or maybe reach out directly, where they should go?

KAEDRICH: My website is kaedrich.com. You'll find, right at the top of the page, a link to take a paranormal awareness test to see what your awareness is on this one. But you also find a link so that we can have some one-on-one sessions to work on this stuff. Also, you'll find a tab because I'm building a paranormal training school so you can learn how to interact with these beings so you can shift your energy. We can either work one-on-one on that stuff, or you can get some online courses and some online meditations too that you can just download and work with. So go to kaedrich.com or look for me on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, I'm everywhere. All you need is my name and you can access it from everywhere. Magical word, magical word, just say Kaedrich three times.

KAEDRICH: Just say Kaedrich three times on there.

AUBREY: All right, my brother. Thank you and thank you everybody for tuning in.