This podcast with Matías De Stefano will deeply challenge your inner skeptic; A skeptic that is part of the immune system that protects consensus beliefs at large. If you’re up to open the confines of your mind and look beyond the default reality, this is the perfect conversation. We dive deep into magic, miracles, extraterrestrials and forgotten powers that lay dormant inside of all of us. Matías De Steafno, who claims to remember his past lives (and for what it’s worth I believe him), speaks on how the pyramids were built, the ability to control weather, channeling spirits, and as always, shares his experiences from past lives. He also sings two more beautiful remembered songs in the Atlantean language.

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AUBREY: Matias, we're back. 

MATIAS: Nice to be back.

AUBREY: Good to be back. So once again, I think the invitation for this podcast is to invite people into a field of belief, into a field of belief which may contrast with their own field of belief, a field the belief that's supported by our society and the way that we think things work and our culture that tries to explain the things and the stories that we have, but not all cultures have participated in the same stories. And there were cultures with different fields of belief, where the field itself actually permitted different realities to exist. In some way, the belief of the field allowed the belief of the individual to be cellularly embodied, and allowed what we would now call magic to occur. But in another field of belief, it was just reality, just reality. And you have the purview of someone who's been a part of these different fields of belief, where you've seen different things happen. And sometimes and we'll get into some of these times, you've been able to call forth beings, channel the entities that operate from a different field of belief, and can do things that are “unbelievable”.

MATIAS: That I cannot but they can.

AUBREY: That you can't do, because you're a part of you still. Even though you're born, you're Matias. You're born here, your cells are from here, your parents, everything, you're part of this, but as something else moves through you, a new possibility emerges. And we're sitting here in a room with our sister Celeste, who was a witness to one of these unbelievable occurrences, which involved the rain, and the ability to call forth the rain. So let's start with that story. That's a personal story that we have. Well, there were several thousand people who were there to witness it. And some people when they listen to this story, they're going to be like, "Coincidence." And that's okay because that's the immune system for that field of belief that's going to reject this new belief from attacking and penetrating that belief system and causing a disruption because we like to keep a nice tight belief system. But for others, we might just open our minds and say, huh, let's see what happens if we take this in and let it work around a little bit like the viruses do, just a virus of a new belief that comes in and starts changing the RNA and changing the DNA sequences of our own field of belief. So let's see if we can allow this story and many other stories that we'll tell here to start to permeate our own field of belief.

MATIAS: Sure, I would like to start by maybe clarifying some words, so people could understand better some of the things that we will go through in the stories. Today, we call magic those things that we cannot understand, we can mistake it like, tricks of magic. Whoa, you're fooling the mind so the mind believes something that is not. But actually, the origin of the word magic comes from the Persian language, I guess, in Iran, that was magus. And the word magus means the chemical, means chemistry. In Arabic, the one that makes chemistry, it's alchemist. So “al” is to determine the one, alchemistry. So when you have the concept of alchemist is what in that language they call magus. So that's the magician. The magician is the one that does chemistry with reality. But the belief of chemistry today is related to the science, which is the logic, the analytic of reality. So it must understand everything, how it works, and so on but analyze the things separate from the being. The alchemist analyzes the things becoming those things. So in order to understand water, the alchemist becomes the water. In order to understand the fire, the alchemist becomes the fire, and doesn't analyze it as something outside. So the belief--

AUBREY: Which is really the only way that you can know anything. Like if you want to say do you believe in God, let's say. Well, then you're putting yourself as separate than God and then projecting, like, already, there's a separation from you and God. So if you say, I believe in God, you're actually wrong in a certain way, because you either know it or if you're believing it as if it's something else, then you don't actually know it, like a bufo ceremony, a 5-MeO-DMT ceremony does, is it collapses the separation between you and what you could call God. Now, of course, there were other words for it, love, energy, whatever that might be but it collapses that separation. So now you're like, well, I've become this. It's not like I witnessed it. It's not like a guy in a beard talked to me about some shit. No, I became it so I know. That's the way to know anything.

MATIAS: The reason why we separate things is because when the alchemist was doing something, there were people watching. And that act of staring at what you were looking at, makes you think that you were seeing it and not being part of it. And that's what in Latin we call to see or to watch something very straight, like, focus on something. The word, in Latin, for staring at something very focused, is miracle. So, miracle actually, is the act of staring at something that is chemical that is happening, but you don't understand. So the magoosh used to do these miracles that people didn't understand, but they were staring at it. That's what created the idea of separation, if there was something else outside happening. Because I don't get it, so it's not part of myself. Until you don't become the experience itself, you don't understand it. That's why it's so difficult. Even if I tell the stories, it is difficult to be part of the story because you think that you have to believe the story. And believe is the main concept that is wrong. If you have to believe me, it's not true. That's what a miracle is about. A miracle is you witnessed what happened. And that's what makes you part of it. But when you just listen about it, it becomes faith. And faith is very difficult to trust. Because you don't have anything to compare to. It's just faith. You just believe whatever you've been told. So what I'm trying to say is, that it's very difficult to transmit what some people were living with a miracle happening by magic, which is turning the chemistry into something different than just listening at it. So it's very different.

AUBREY: The difference between trust and faith is, you trust what you know. If you trust, like in a partnership, in my partnership with Vylana, for example, we often say, "I see you, I trust you, I love you and I have faith in you." We say all of those things, which are very important, and they go in that order very specifically. So the seeing, which is to see, not just look at, look at is different than seeing, we can all look at things and that's from our own limited perspective. But to see actually means to take the inside, go into the interiority of a person and see through them, and then you can see them and when you can see them, see through them as them, then you can trust them. And when you can really trust them, then you can really love them. There will always be that which you cannot see, that which you cannot know, therefore, which is the gap at which it is nice to offer faith, the benefit of the doubt. So if you're gone, and I don't see what you're doing, I'm not imagining that you're in another room having sex with somebody. I have faith. Even when I don't see you, I believe that this is good. That's, to me, how it goes. So it is difficult, because we're going to be telling stories that we haven't been a part of. We're asking people--

MATIAS: We sound crazy.

AUBREY: We're asking people to take a leap of faith. Feel free, everybody listening, to take the leap or don't take the leap. It's okay. It's just an invitation, it's an invitation to try it on and just allow it to work through you in a certain way because really, the only way to know anything is to be there for a part of it. Even though I've heard this story about the rain, like when Celeste tells the story about the rain and the story about how you sung the song of Gaia inside the pyramid, in the middle of the night, and she starts crying about it, I get a feeling of what she knows. And it makes me believe her. I have faith in her. I believe what she's saying, but I don't know it because I haven't seen it. It's a different thing, but it's still, I think, powerful to just allow your own intuition in your own sense to just say, “All right, let me feel this, and see how it feels.”

MATIAS: Personally, I've been called the rain child since I was 12 years old at school, because everyone knew that whatever happened to me was related to the weather. Even the teachers were calling me the rain child and some others from the classroom. When I was a child, with these guides that I had, they reminded me how it was to be part of nature, how the reality is not something a part of me and I am not living in this world, I am this world. So they used to repeat to me every time, "You are the water, you are the people, you are the house," you are this and that. So I started to become that and be able to communicate with it from within, not like talking to the objects or to nature but to understand that I was listening to myself in different shapes. So that was like a game for me when I was a child in the garden and playing with the plants, with the animals, with the rocks. But I actually could feel how I was communicating with everything. So I noticed how when I got furious or with hunger, the weather changed according to what I was feeling. When I was happy, it was also changing according to me. It was really weird to explain because I had no way to explain it at that time. Eventually, the people around me started to look at it like something is happening but we don't know how to understand it. My family was agnostic and the context that I had was science and nothing else, not many beliefs in anything, nothing. The guides that I was able to listen and to talk to, they were making me part of a culture that I had no around. So since very child, myself, listened, "You are the elements, you are the nature. And you can play with it, you can know it." When I was waiting for the bus to go to the school, I was just moving myself and seeing how the trees were moving with the wind. And I was feeling the trees and I was being the trees and I was being the wind. I could make it stronger or softer according to how I was moving.

AUBREY: Let's just pause here for a second. The interesting thing to note is the reason that you were able to do this was because your guides, from the earliest age, were infusing your actual cellular memory, your understanding, with this reality. So you are a part of a field of reality, in which you are inseparable from the natural elements and so that allows--

MATIAS: Many things came together, because in my home, I had no one saying, "There is God and this is the world." So my cells never heard the concept of someone that was superior to me. I was born without that. I didn't have the image of someone to follow, either. I didn't have the image of, I have to be like him. And my family was with many women, a lot of women around, so they were not saying you have to be like this or like that. They were just allowing me to play. All those cultural facts that even if I was in a society that was Christian, in my home, it wasn't that and in my school, I didn't have that. Because my school was for farmers. So nobody was praying. Nobody went to the church. We were all dealing with literal bullshit, working the farms. So I was able to become that because the guides knew that I had no links or anybody that would tell me what you're saying is not true because there is only one God, blah, blah or you have to follow what your dad says about them. So I had a context that allowed me to listen to them and to become them. So it's very important, because since you are born, you're being told so many things, what to believe, what is wrong, what is good, what you should do, what society expects from you. So you've been told so many things that your cells say, "Okay, I have to do that. Otherwise, they will kill me or I will die. I will be thrown apart."

AUBREY: Outcast. 

MATIAS: When people don't have that, and the context allows you to become the tree if you want to be the tree, suddenly you are the tree. This is what happens with so many cultures in the Amazon, for example, or the native Australians. They can listen to reality, they can communicate with the wind. They can talk to the trees so the trees can tell them what is the medicine, what is the truth, how to communicate with others through the wind, through the trees because those people don't have the idea that there is a God outside.

AUBREY: Again, it's important to recognise that we can't just change our mind and then expect, that's not the place where all of our memories are stored. Our memories are stored through the entirety of our being. This is the record-keeper right here. This is the physical record of everything that we have been trained to believe. It's a process to actually move to a different state of understanding. I've seen this in my own experience of what I've experienced. So I can talk about Maestro Alberto, who is an Ayahuasca shaman. I watched him. Every night where we drank ayahuasca, he had a particular Ikaro where he was singing to the bats. And I'm imagining as he sung the song of the bats, he was in frequency with the bats, he was the bats and the bats would come, and the bats would circle the Maloka in the spiral for as long as he was doing the Ikaro. And then he would finish the Ikaro and the bats would leave. And I was there when our sister, Blu, under the medicine of ayahuasca, and I've told this story on another podcast, was able to actually enter into this space of the wind. So there was a portal for her to enter in, and then whip up a wind that ended up knocking down a tree. These moments you're like, "What the fuck?" Because it attacks my belief system, which is like, this is nonsense. I love to imagine that this is real. I love reading Patrick Rothfuss' "The Name of the Wind", and imagining what they call sympathy, which is magic, which is, ultimately, if you have the name of the wind, you can control the wind. It's a beautiful story. I love imagining that that's real but then I encounter some things in which I've seen it, and not seen it just with my eyes, which could be trickery, but seen it with the entirety of my being, knowing that this is what is happening. That opens me up to another belief, but my cells still don't believe it enough that I could go out there on the balcony, and be like, "Thunderstorm!" I can't do that shit. But I'm open enough, and permeable enough to it. So to go back, circling all the way back for you, you had a different way in which your cells were informed from the start.

MATIAS: Usually, when the mind is in control of reality for us, we tend to believe that we are controlling the nature. That let there be a storm, and the storm is there. Because we think that is the mind that controls it. The thing is that you have to convince each one of your cells that you are the storm. It's not like mutant stuff is, or a movie or superhero stuff. It's not that you are controlling. It's that you are becoming it. And in order to become that, you have to release the idea of who you are. That's the most difficult thing because your ego tries to survive all the time. It tries to be yourself in order to be as much as it can, in this reality. In order to be able to become something else, you have to allow yourself to become something else and stop being what you are.

AUBREY: Which is a death. The part of you that you're identified with, you must be willing to allow it to die. This is no small thing. It's like you surrender it on the altar to die. Of course, it will be reborn. It's not dead forever. That's not the point. We're supposed to have an ego; it has a very important purpose. However, temporarily, this is the myth of the Phoenix, you have to allow it to go to ash. In the place of ash, when the ego is not there, then the magic of something else can emerge.

MATIAS: Can happen. So that allowed me to channel, for example. That was what allowed me to somehow manage the elements in some of the gatherings and some of the activations that we did. Sometimes there were only two people, sometimes there were thousands but we all could witness that as much more people are together, is stronger. You can use the energy of a lot of people to become even a bigger thing.

AUBREY: It's like a magnifier.

MATIAS: Yes. So that's why when there is a huge amount of people, the magic is really much more powerful.

AUBREY: Is that why, in the Bible, they say, "Where three or more are gathered..."

MATIAS: The law of three. The Trinity, it's needed in order to manifest deeper and greater things. That's why you need, at least, three persons in order to manifest something. But anyway, there are plenty of stories. The first time that I really was scared about what I was able to do, what I was becoming was one day at school, I was 13 years old, or almost 14, and I was in the classroom. Of course, I would have been the most weird person in the room. So I was bullied, because I have a lot of material to be bullied but also to be loved. So I had a lot of friends that loved weird. I had a lot of teachers that loved weird stuff and a lot of the other ones didn't. But it was natural. Now I know that I would have to have more fun with it but at that time, I had no idea. There was one of them that was constantly like, how do you say, bothering me, from the back of the class. And I was going through a very dark process in which I was blaming myself for remembering all these things. I was remembering so many things that I was blaming myself, for a lot of people that are being born, for a lot of things that are like this in the world, because we didn't do it properly in the past, or this kind of thing--

AUBREY: And this is because of your memories of your past lives--

MATIAS: Yes, that started at 12. So I was really concerned about all these things. And I remember I was in English class in Argentina. They were mocking me and all these kinds of things. Suddenly, I felt all this energy that I was working with, on another level, trying to understand and the environment became heavy and weird. Suddenly, he threw something in my head and I turned and hit the, had to say the table?

AUBREY: Desk?

MATIAS: Yeah. I hit it and said, "Stop." And when I said that, lightning went through the window and broke the glass. The rain started to come inside, but there was no storm, just appearing. And the trunk of a tree, fell down against the window and hit someone that was inside the room. I sat down breathing more relaxed because of the discharge of energy. Everyone was afraid of me since that time. From that moment, I was the storm kid, something like that. It happened many times at school with tornadoes and these kinds of things when I was really, really mad, something.

AUBREY: So for people listening now, so many of you are going to be like, "This dude thinks he's an X-MAN."

MATIAS: But we all can do it.

AUBREY: This dude thinks he can do this. This is some nonsense. I'm done with this. But just potentially entertain the idea that this is the immune system for your own belief system, doing what it's supposed to do, which is to help you survive and help that entity that is your belief system, your identity structure. And say like, "All right, let's just go a little further here. Let's not worry about my immune system of belief. Let's say it's strong enough. It'll hold up, if it's supposed to hold up here. All right, maybe this is possible."

MATIAS: Yeah, sometimes I don’t understand. Usually, this kind of thing happens. I had the opportunity to speak with some of my colleagues in the university, that they were very Christian Catholic, asking them, "You are Catholic. You believe in this and that." “Yes.” "Do you believe in angels?" “Yes, of course.” "Well, I used to talk to angels." And they said, "I don't believe you." And I said, "Why?" If you believe in angels, why wouldn't you believe that I was talking to them? They had no answer for that. I was wondering why a person that says that they believe in something, doesn't believe in it when someone else says, I knew it, I felt it. This is because a lot of people have been treated like mad, crazy because most religions, they don't want their value system to be judged by new things. So it's better to keep that the people that were able to talk to angels have died a long time ago. So the books that we have now are the right ones. So if anyone speaks with an angel now, and the angel says, "No, those things were mistaken, " the whole thing collapses. The system manages to make everyone believe in that, but that nobody else is able to do it.

AUBREY: So you have a stagnant dead logo, a word that is stagnant, and then you can build a power structure on top of the foundation of a stagnant word, rather than the revivification, the constant revivification of a newer connection, relevant to that time and that way. And this is--

MATIAS: That's why they killed a lot of people because they said, "But I can talk to God." They kill them...

AUBREY: The whole power structure is built on old words. But if you go back deep enough, into the lineage, back into the lineage of the traditions, all the way to the Kabbalist roots, you will actually see in the Torah and the some of the ancient texts, that they actually talk about this, how at any point, they had a whole codification of an understanding, but if at any point someone, as their unique self, was in contact with their own divinity, again, not projecting the divine outside, in contact with their own divinity, they could become what's called antinomian, they could move against the laws, the customs, the mores of the religion, because they were in current fresh contact. It creates a living word, like a living pond or a living river, a river that's not the same river and it's not the same person who goes in so it's always changing. As words themselves change, literally, the meaning of words changes all the fucking time. Love, God, it changes all the time, depending on a culture, so sometimes, even need new words, new ways to explain things and new ideas that must be able to revivify. And that's what we get from the stagnation of trying to fix something, life itself is always evolving, but instead we fix it. And now we get where we are where we have old structures that are crumbling.

MATIAS: We do that because we are afraid of change and losing control of what we have. Evolution is about losing control of what we believe we have. And as mammals that try to survive all the time, we get stuck with our conception of reality, because otherwise we believe that we will disappear. Some people believe that their power will disappear if you evolve, if you transform yourself into something else.

AUBREY: Well, their pseudo power will disappear. So I would call it pseudo power. So real power, the real power is who we really are, who we really are as a divine unique self, the Matias, the Aubrey in all of our interconnections. The pseudo power is the power of money, of title, of the ability to control people in certain ways. It's this artificial, it's like pseudo being, like artificial. So the artificial power will dissolve. But in the dissolution of artificial power, you have actually finally, the opportunity to access real power. So it's like giving up all of the bullshit artificial sweetener, to be like here's some real sugar. Here's the real sweetness, this is the real fruit. I'm eating a fucking pear right now rather than this pseudo drug version of what it really is.

MATIAS: When you don't have the cultural beliefs and the structure of what your parents or your teachers or society told you to believe, you can become all that. You can be really yourself. And instead of saying, "I believe in this," you say, "I am this." Or instead of saying, "I believe there is a God," you say, "I am God." Those are powerful words that were forbidden from our language, because a lot of people say that's egocentric, or those are words that shouldn't be said because it's forbidden or something like this. So we have been forbidden for a long time, centuries, to say sacred words, that makes you become magic. So your entire cell system is saying, "Don't say that, or we can be killed." Because that is not good for you to say, "I'm God, I am the water, I am the air," because that's witchcraft and people were killed because of it. So that's why it's easier to do these kinds of things, with people or for people that don't have that weight of belief, this belief system that tells you what to do, what to believe, what not.

AUBREY: And also there's been some people who've said, "I am God, and I'm the only god or I am God and I'm the only one." Whenever you say I'm the only one like that, I think that's good for like the Tigger song, but it's not good for all of reality, because the truth is like, "Yeah, I am God and so are you." It always has to be followed with, "And so are you and so is everybody else." And as long as you can get that, then actually you get it but the moment you go, "I am and you aren't," well, you fucked up. 

MATIAS: That's a problem. 

AUBREY: That's a fucking problem. And we've seen that problem. So that's another thing--

MATIAS: You only have power upon the unconsciousness, but you don't have power in reality. 

AUBREY: Pseudo power.

MATIAS: Yeah. When you become that, it's incredible, because you can feel what the environment is feeling. You can feel what others are feeling, what the plants are feeling, everything. That allows you to become everything. And sometimes, if everything is resounding with you, with what you're doing, they manifest. So it's not that because of my will, I can do it. For example, someone can come and say, "Show me that you can make rain," and I will go and try to make it rain. That's ego because I'm trying to prove something. And who is trying to prove something to someone?

AUBREY: And you're trying to prove it in opposition to a field of belief that is trying to disprove you, which is also one of the things that's actually happening. And all of these experiments that are being done, you're asking someone to prove something against a field of belief, whose immune system is trying to repel that. And that's what I think people can sometimes misunderstand. Well, if this could happen, we'd all know about it. Well, you're asking something that's magical to happen in isolation of a field of belief, which occasionally can happen as a miracle, where it looks like a miracle but it's way more difficult to do it that way and way more rare for it to do it that way, because you have to fight against the opposition of a strong field of belief, which is telling reality and all the cells that this is impossible.

MATIAS: In the gathering that we had in 2018, in Argentina, I had three main gatherings that my guides used to tell me that the rain would be the key, because the rain will bring the information for everything that we needed to do. 10 months before the gathering, I told everyone, bring some umbrellas because it's going to rain or be prepared because it will rain. It's like, how could you possibly know that that day, at that time, it will rain? Well, that's for sure because we need the information. So this time was for everyone, okay, bring coats and stuff because it's going to rain and the gathering was in Egypt--

AUBREY: And this is the one I was talking about earlier with Celeste.

MATIAS: Yes.

AUBREY: In Egypt, which it's much more rare for it to rain in Egypt, than it is in Argentina.

MATIAS: Yeah, of course. And it's like, how it's going to rain in Egypt that much as we usually need? It only rains like 2%, I don't know. It's nothing, it's just pouring a little bit of water. I said, and a lot of people brought coats and stuff--

AUBREY: Except for Celeste. She didn't get the memo.

MATIAS: She had no idea.

AUBREY: She signed up late, and she didn't get the email.

MATIAS: There were a lot of people that signed up late and had no idea why they were there. Like oh, yeah, pyramids. So the first day, in the morning, when everyone got inside, suddenly, the storm came and it rained so much. Like it rains for the whole year, in that morning. The storm was so strong that it even took the main gate and threw it away to the ground. Everything was moving in a tornado kind of thing. It was cold. Suddenly, it was freezing. Even if it was winter, it was normal temperature for the sun with heat, but suddenly got freezing, and started to rain a lot. It really was not just normal rain. It was too much. The whole gathering was, of course, without any roof because it's Egypt. Nobody thinks that it's going to rain. So nothing is prepared for the rain. 

AUBREY: Except for the people who all brought raincoats if they got the memo.

MATIAS: Yes. So it was funny to see a lot of people wearing raincoats, saying, "We knew it." It's a Matias gathering so it will rain for sure. So, they all know that. And I was so happy that I was supposed to go later but I had to run in the rain. And I saw all the people going inside and trying to find a place to cover, just appear running and saying, "No, come to the rain. Dance in the rain. We need this information." So suddenly all the people were under the rain, dancing with drums and everything, bringing all that. And we started all the gathering with this water, with this rain. Suddenly, when we needed to start with our task, our conversations, the clouds just opened and the sun was amazing. And the heat came back--

AUBREY: I heard there was a rainbow over the pyramids. 

MATIAS: Yeah, there were rainbows. Yeah. So a bit far, but you could see. The whole day was blessed with the four elements because it was the dust of the desert, calming the water, the sun, the wind, everything, so we were blessed by the elements and our task was about the elements. I went in November last year just to talk to the elements. I went with a few friends, four of them, just to talk to the elements to explain to them what we were going to do, to ask for permission to become them. So it was really powerful. We asked permission from the Government of Egypt, we asked permission from the police. But we also went there to ask permission from the elements, to the Earth to do the gathering. 

AUBREY: I've experienced this, obviously, in the medicine journeys, the animistic philosophy and theology, which is what really prevalent with the Ayahuasceros and the Wachumero, Don Howard, who I studied with, it's this understanding because of our ability to connect through the bridge, the Chacaruna, the bridge of these medicines, we're able to connect. It seems to me that they don't have a personality like we have. We can only understand in terms of personality and language so we may be having a conversation, I remember I had a conversation with fire one time on a Wachuma journey. I lit a mapocho, which is like a tobacco cigar. I lit it and it just burst up into flame and burned my finger. It was really weird. And usually, it lights pretty normal. I got this communication from the fire, it said, "You haven't said thank you. You haven't said thank you. You've been burning these Mapachos all day and you haven't once acknowledged me." And I was like, "Whoa!"

MATIAS: You didn't recognize me.

AUBREY: It was this reminder and then I started in this communication, speaking to the fire. And then the fire told me. Right after that, I got this lit and then the ember fell out of my mapacho and fell right on the arm of the chair. And fire was like, "If you pick me up, and you trust me, I won't burn you. I won't burn you." I was like, "Oh, man. That sounds dense." So I didn't believe it and I went and I grabbed it really gingerly and it burned me. And then it was like, "Trust me." And then I got in with the help, obviously, of Wachuma, with the help, I was like, "Okay, I trust you." And I picked it up and held it in my hand, and then just dropped it in the bucket. That was my one little taste that I got of this type of magic, not only the communication, which is mind-blowing. And, of course, anybody listening, I just made that up. He's just thinking about things and whatever. But it's a little taste, a little taste--

MATIAS: You have to experience-- 

AUBREY: But I know something different. I know what I felt. I know the communication. I know it. I know the difference. And I know the difference of, when I gingerly fearfully touched it and when I went in with full belief of what could happen. And, of course, we've all heard the stories of the fire walks and these different things that have happened, these things start to gradually expand what our mind can hold.

MATIAS: Yes. When we were there, on November 11th, in 2021, to ask for permission to the elements. I always go first to say thank you for everything, to explain to them, the elements, to the guardians of the land, what we are going to do that is not about to take stuff from them, but to give them recognition. So it is like a meeting with the elements to try to explain to them about what we are doing and to make them part of it. Not just, “Oh we are humans. We come here and we do whatever we want.”

AUBREY: It takes what it wants. Honey badger mentality.

MATIAS: So we went there and they were really mad, really, really, really mad at us. They took me and I was gone for one day and a half. I really wasn't there. I was underground and I felt the anguish of the water in the territory. She was crying. I was channeling it and I was crying and lost. And suddenly she was, I say she, but whatever. She was really stressed, a threat of us coming to take the water away, like everyone else did. And I said, "Why?" And said because all this was on me all this was water and it was trapped. And I said, "How's it trapped?" And they said, "The press, the dam in Aswan. The water is not flowing here, it's not clean water." 

AUBREY: Well, how are you going to get a golf course, Matias? 

MATIAS: A, what?

AUBREY: How are you going to get a golf course if you don't dam the water? You need golf courses in Cairo. It's necessary.

MATIAS: We did the gathering on a golf course.

AUBREY: I know. That's what I'm saying. You don't damn the water, you can't have a golf course. So water, suck it up. It's for golf. It's important.

MATIAS: It's only one--

AUBREY: Glad we got that straight. Alright.

MATIAS: So yeah, we had to do it on a golf course. She was really, really mad. And I was feeling how she was trying to release that tension. And that night, there was a storm in Aswan that took water from the dam, and started to create a twist around the city, that same night that that was happening. And took scorpions from the desert, and they were flying around and hitting the people. They called it a scorpion rain that happened that day.

AUBREY: It's like a Sharknado. 

MATIAS: Yes. It was crazy. People were trying to hide from the scorpions that were on the streets because of the weird rain that came that day, November 11th last year. I felt the madness of the elements trying to speak, to say, "Here, we need to release this tension here." So we agreed to bring love to and we invited them to be part of the gathering. So when the gathering started, the four of them came and we all felt it, like whoa, it was so powerful. That's why I said to everyone, go and hug them and feel them because you should not be afraid of them. They are here to be a part of the gathering to bring us the data that we don't have. We have to become them because we had the water group, the air group and we should not be just people, we should become the elements that we were working with. So they came the first day, entering the same gate that people were entering. It was magical. They all experienced magic, because there were rainbows and rain in Giza. That's not normal. Of course, there are rainy days in Egypt but exactly in that moment, in the opening of that gathering, where we were calling the elements, that makes you be connected with it. I was trying to say before, in 2019, we did the second of these three main gatherings in Argentina. Also, I was expecting rain but again, bringing back the story of my dad, my dad came to the gathering because we asked him to help us with some stuff. So he went there, not believing in anything and when the storm came, he saw how many of us were pulling the clouds, coming back or coming to us, or calling for the portal to be open. The gathering was 11:11 and 11 birds came and made the turn around everyone to open each one of the meditations. He started to ask me, "Did you release these birds before every meditation?" And it was like, "No, they are coming from the mountains." He was like, "Why?" Because it's the portal. So they're saying now it's the moment to do it. They are showing us the portal. Because they were 11. So they came 11, then in the second meditation, 11 again. In the last meditation, 11 again, doing circles around all the people, and then they left so we could start. And then the weather and the storm and everything that happened, he was like, "I don't believe in any of this, but that was really weird." We went to the hotel, and the girl in the hotel said, "Have you bought the coats already?" And he said, "Coats? It's a sunny day," my dad was saying. It's a sunny day, and there's no rain in the schedule? I don't know how to say it.

AUBREY: Forecast.

MATIAS: Forecast, yeah. There's no rain in forecast. "No, but Matias is here." Everyone in the town knew. They were saying, "Matias is here. For sure, it would rain." So that night, it rained, they wet the hotel, and the road was like a river.

AUBREY: Flooded.

MATIAS: It flooded and they couldn't reach the hotel and they went all wet, pouring water inside the hotel. And she said, "I told you. I told you it would happen." He ended up telling me and telling all his friends that didn't believe in everything that happened, because he witnessed something, even if he couldn't understand it, something was happening and he was a witness of that. He didn't, it was a miracle or something like this. But he could experience how all these people were there saying, “Oh, this is a miracle.” Everyone was like, "This is normal. This is how it is supposed to be." So it's not that oh, look what happened. No, everyone was connected to the storm, everyone was acknowledging that we needed that, everyone was acknowledging that the birds were the opening. So it was not that, "Oh, Matias did it." It was that it was our reality and that's really powerful because usually, we tend to believe that it's that person that has magic or it's that person that is special. But it's not. It's just that that person may be living a reality that you can also live in. When you are there, it's your own reality too. It's not that that person is special, it's that was just connecting with something that you were not there yet.

AUBREY: And it is possible and likely that there were people that were actually outliers, who had more access. You told a story of when you were in, I think it was Scotland, and you went to a sacred site in Scotland. And you channeled--

MATIAS: Druid's temple.

AUBREY: A druid's temple. Why don't you tell that story to contrast-- 

MATIAS: That was getting weird for me. 

AUBREY: That was weird for you. 

MATIAS: And I'm weird.

AUBREY: That one wasn't you. Because of your guidance, and because of your background, you have some ability to form that sympathetic resonance with the elements. But in that case, there was something even stronger, in a way.

MATIAS: Yes, because I usually connect with the water. That's my element, let's say. Each one of us is connected much more with one element than others by resonance. So my entire soul is connected to the history of water. But this time, it wasn't me. We were doing a path through the British islands. We started in the south of England, in Cornwall and we ended in the north of Scotland, in Orkney Islands. So we went through the chakras of the island in every stone circle with 50 people. Very weird things happened. I'd like to say the first one, that happened the third day. It was 14 days, changing every day from different places. So, it was crazy. And the third day we were in Stonehenge. Our trip had this symbol, which was like a Triskel. The term in English, I don't know if it's Triskel too. It's three symbols that are the same and connected. So this was the symbol, a spiral, spiral, connected like three. That was the symbol that we took for the trip and we were connecting with it in Stonehenge. And when we finished that connection, opening a portal there, when we finished that connection, someone sent us a message saying a crop circle appeared just beside where you are. We took the bus, and went there, five minutes on the road, five minutes there. And we went to the crop circle that appeared just five minutes or half an hour before or after we were doing the connection. The crop circle was our logo. It appears exactly what we were working with. We call the owner of the fields to, "Can we go inside to see the crop circle?" And they said, "Do we have one? We had one last week." And said, "No, no, something appeared today. Half an hour ago?" And he said, "Oh, we had no idea. Yes, you can come." So we went inside the fields and it was there. We were able to sit and meditate there. The people were saying, "What are the possibilities of this happening?" We manifested this and it was like communication with the underground and the beans that usually send data and information and we were working with them. So we were becoming them, shaping the same structure, so they shared the same information with us. It was amazing to see that appear across.

AUBREY: It was a communication. 

MATIAS: Yes, just half an hour after.

AUBREY: Who is it that discovered that the crop circle existed?

MATIAS: There are some people that are constantly checking the forecast of crop circles, that they are starting to appear early June.

AUBREY: Like through Google Maps?

MATIAS: So there are a lot of people checking all the time if they appear or not with drones and so on. It was amazing, that one. And then three days after that, or two days after that, we went to Ilton, a small village close by Sheffield. There's a place called Druid's temple, which is where you can go, walk around in the forest. It's an amazing place. It's not very ancient. Actually, it has been remade in the 17th or 18th century by someone that wanted to connect with the druids again. So they took the stones and created the temple again, or in a new way. But we said, "We will use it to do a ceremony." So we went there. A few years ago, I felt someone from the British Islands, a spirit that introduced himself like the alchemist. And everyone started to say, "Oh, he's Merlin, Merlin the magician, Merlin." He never said, "Merlin," he always says the alchemist. So I have no idea. But later I understood that Merlin is not a name, it's like saying the pope. So it's a French word to describe the high masters of magic which is Merlin. So that makes more sense than thinking it is the one in the story. So this Alchemist came many times since 2012 to say I am guiding you and he always speaks in British, like very British. I was not expecting him at all but that day, in the temple, I was expecting the people to do the ceremony which allows us to go farther in our path. I was preparing everything like candles and a bowl with different kinds of incense--

AUBREY: And someone gave you a cloak, right?

MATIAS: Yeah, someone gave me a cloak as a gift a few days before. So it was fun. And I said, "I will use it. So I was using that one. And I put everything there, but I didn't have the chance to really prepare everything, because I didn't have the lighters or matches to light everything up. I was there and the 50 people came, but also, who came with them was the driver of the bus. He had no place to go. And the people said, "Would you come with us?" And sure, so he went there, not knowing anything about what we were doing. He was there with the people and he just saw me, actually. He had no idea what I was. But I had the cloak, covering everything. Suddenly, I stopped being myself, I became him, that druid. He put all the people in a circle and he was staring at each one but not looking at them physically. He took the bowl to start the cleaning of the people.

AUBREY: And there were herbs and things in the bowl. 

MATIAS: Yeah, all the herbs and stuff. But he was like this. Of course, he wouldn't ask for a match. Like, "Someone, a lighter?" It wasn't me so I couldn't speak.

AUBREY: It would be hella disappointing if Merlin asked for a lighter. For sure. Merlin, don't be lazy.

MATIAS: Come on. But nobody understood who I was. I was just in silence, but suddenly, I held it like this and stared at the herbs and just said, "Enlight." And when I said that word, the fire came from nowhere, did like this, smoke everywhere. And the fire had colors. It was not just the fire. It was burning with violet and blue-green, something like this. And if nothing happened, he normally starts to do the cleaning of the people. 

AUBREY: He wasn't surprised. 

MATIAS: He wasn't surprised because it was natural, that was like, "Oh, and light." Inside, I was like, "What? What just happened." I'm not controlling this. I have no idea that I could do this. And he was like, "Everything's okay. We didn't have the match." The other day, the bus driver, everyone was asking, "How did you do the trick?" I was like, "What trick? I didn't have anything." He was like, "The fire came alone." I was like, "No way. We witnessed this magic, real magic." I guess but it was not under my control. It was because the being that was inside of me, he actually knew that he was the fire. And I don't usually connect like that with the fire." 

AUBREY: Could you, through the being that was with you? Because it's always with, it's not like... You were there obviously, in communication. So it's you and the being superimposed over each other. 

MATIAS: Yeah, becoming one.

AUBREY: Yeah, could you feel yourself as that being? 

MATIAS: Yes. 

AUBREY: What did that feel like?

MATIAS: It was like if you were burning, but it doesn't burn. What I feel is like if the light comes from the very inner core of the atoms, like if each one of your atoms starts to ignite, but it doesn't burn. You feel like you're shining. But that's it. And suddenly, it just became a fire. It was amazing. I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it again. I hope. All these kinds of things happen–

AUBREY: So these have happened in your life, in this life?

MATIAS: Yeah.

AUBREY: Thank you for sharing these stories and thank you for offering people the invitation to have these new invaders into their belief system and watch their immune system grapple with this reality and see how much it goes on.

MATIAS: And I don't care if people believe me or not. That's why I tell this story. I'm not trying to convince anyone. It was a great story. If you don't like it, you miss it.

AUBREY: For sure. For sure. I want to go back to your life in Chem, where there was a different belief system, different stories that you had. So how many thousands of years ago was that?

MATIAS: 12,000.

AUBREY: 12, 000 years ago. So before we go back there and tell those stories, and we did this on another podcast we did, just to help people get into that field of resonance, with that time, I was hoping that you could sing another one of your songs that you remembered from your life in Chem. So we'll just close your eyes. Obviously, if you're driving, don't close your eyes. Bad idea.  But take in the song in Atlantean which, by the way, everybody, he takes notes with his stylus in Atlantean sometimes when he wants to just scribble some things down. It's pretty remarkable. But nonetheless, why don't you sing?

MATIAS: When I start to teach the language to others, I won't be able to do that anymore.

AUBREY: Because someone will be able to translate it. You won't have a secret Atlantean...

MATIAS: I won't have any secrets anymore.

AUBREY: Stop spying Atlantean. This is mine. So bring us into the time of Khem and the language of Atlantis with a little song, if you would. Any song.

MATIAS: There's a song for the elements that a friend of mine, he channeled for our path, that we were also seeing at that time, because we were together at that time. So she channeled that in Spanish but we had it in that language too. It's about the elements.

AUBREY: So you're going to sing the Atlantean version?

MATIAS: Yeah.

AUBREY: Okay, great. 

MATIAS: Sure. It says, “Water is my soul. The earth, my body's little by Earth. The air speaks my voice and light and sets free my fire.” That's the meaning of the song.

AUBREY: It's a beautiful song. 

MATIAS: We're talking about the elements.

AUBREY: Well, now that we're back, for those of us who are open, we're back to another time and another reality. So tell us some stories about what we would consider magic now, but was a part of that reality, potentially how the big stones were moved by people matching the vibration of the stones and singing their vibration up to make them lighter, solving one of these riddles of how they moved these big blocks, any stories that come to mind that have this time that you remember back in Khem 12,000 years ago?

MATIAS: Well, we were told, since we were being born, the stories of how we are drops of water from the universe. So from the very beginning, we were connected to nature, making us become aware that we are everything that is around us. They used to tell the stories that the universe drops tears of joy during the creation, and that drops created the notion of mind. These water drops sometimes freezes and creates matter. And that matter is us, being born into this reality and inside ignites the fire that with the water and the fire, expands the voice, which is the air. So they say that we have the water inside, in the shape of matter of a stone, with the light of the fire inside that pushes the voice of the air, which is the truth. So we are drops of the mind that made it matter. Because of this story, we all grew up knowing that we are nature, that we are everything, and that you can talk to the mountains and everything. They told us this story that the universe dropped these first nine drops of tears that we call the vowels. Each one of the tears vibrated in one way, which altogether sounded like. And that's why we called it the om. But it's like actually. And all these sounds were the first drops to the mind. They divided into the water, the Earth, the fire, and the air. And these four had each one of them a purpose in the universe, which was first, expression. We have to express there was water, we have to experiment with the Earth, we have to integrate the fire and transcend the air. So each one of these processes, for each one of these drops had four drops more that took matter and we call them the consonants and were 36. So nine times four, 36. So they call the 36 patterns and sounds that could shape reality. We were told about how by singing, by the words, the transcendence of ourselves, we could manifest new realities and create from the ocean of mind. That allows us to talk to the plants and know which medicine was the right one. That allows us to talk to the snakes, to tell us how to heal. That allows us to talk to the rocks and move them. We knew that we were the snake, the rock, the tree. So we were just communicating with another part of ourselves that is another drop in the ocean of the mind. This way of thinking things made a context, a very natural context in which we were able to build the geometry, the reality that we were seeing, that's why the pyramids are not to raise you up to the skies. The pyramids are actually octahedrons, which is the very tiniest reality that you see when you go deep into the divine. In order for the world to become a portal of the Divine, we needed to sing to create, with the matter that we had, the octahedrons to connect with the divine. So all our culture was about to communicate with the world. And we call them the Arsayian. I named my foundation because of that. Arsayian means those who talk to the world. We were taught how to communicate with everything in the world. It was part of our process of learning. We had three main schools. Not all of us would go through the three, mainly the first one. The first school was Armenian. The Armenian were the ones that taught you about the letters, about this story that I just said, how the unity is spread into all these realities and to understand them and how we are part of it. Then the Arsayian would teach you how to communicate with each one of those parts. And then the Idilian were the last ones where you become them. When you become and you're able to handle the weather, storms to move the rocks and to build something like a pyramid for example. So these three main schools, I went through the three of them. 

AUBREY: And you were a woman.

MATIAS: I was a woman related to the school of water. That's why all my connection is with the element of water. I went to that school, but I was obligated to go to that school, not because of choice, because I wanted to, but because I had the resonance with the element. So the priests and priestesses would choose between the children who were able to go to each one of the schools, and we would spend a long time doing the preparations for that. So it was a tough path that we had to do along the Nile to prepare ourselves to leave behind what we believe we are. We had to break through each one of our layers of the ego until we became the element. That was what we, today, remember as the gods and the goddesses of the ancient time. They were just people that were presented with a concept or an element of the universe. So we had to become that. And we were called divines, or gods or something like this but everyone knew that we were people. But we were inspiration for others to become that, so representatives of the Divine on Earth. We were not treated like gods, we were treated like guides. We were forbidden to be taken as gods because otherwise you didn't understand what this was all about. So we were just there as a living presence to encode information that others needed as a guidance to become something different. That's why we were forced, in such a way, to be married to one another, no one else from outside.

AUBREY: So water people had to marry water people.

MATIAS: No, water had to be with the Earth, the fire with the air, and you cannot mix it. You were kind of forced to do it. So you have to deal with it. For example, the ones on Earth were the ones taught how to move the stones. The ones in water were taught how to break them, for example. So how to pour the water, how to make it vibrate. But we were not the ones levitating rocks. 

AUBREY: So that's how you actually created the clean breaks in the stones? Because there's a lot of debate about how did they chisel it so precisely? And really, what you're saying is that the water--

MATIAS: Water and sound.

AUBREY: The water priests and the sound, using the sound of the water, changing the vibration of the water and maybe with the help of the Earth, priests and priestesses?

MATIAS: Yeah, we were all working together. 

AUBREY: Working together, could actually cleave the stones?

MATIAS: Yes.

AUBREY: And then the earth priests and priestesses could then sing the stones lighter, and then have them guided in place?

MATIAS: For us, today, when we look backwards, it's like a movie. But you should not go so far. And you can go to the tribes in the Amazon to see how people are called, "You are the jaguar and you are the elements, the master of this, you are the eagle or the White Eagle." You have these names. In the American's traditions, you still have this thing of becoming an element, becoming an animal, to awaken this potential. So you can do that. But when the whole civilization allows you to do it, it's so powerful that it can move mountains, actually. You can create an earthquake, you can create a storm, you can pour the fields. So that's why that civilization was so balanced with nature. Usually, when people think about Atlantean civilization, think about technology. But actually, for us, we were taught since we were very young that we are the technology that our bodies are the real technology. And everything that we do around is just to improve the signal of our technology. And we don't need anything from the outside. That's why when you go to the archaeologist, you can find these huge stones and creations but you can't find anything else.

AUBREY: Yeah, because you were still riding around on mules?

MATIAS: Yeah, we were living in the forest, we were living in nature. We had houses, we had things but they were made with such natural things that they disappeared. We didn't need much. It was not like we expect for a civilization to be today that needed a lot of things in order to say we have technology. We were technology. Our bodies were technology. So we were able to communicate by singing, by thinking and by feeling. Hugging a tree, we could send a message to other village. We were able to become nature and to become everything. That's why also, they used animal paintings or stuff like this, and that's why some people believe that the priests or priestesses used to have heads of birds. But actually we were representing nature, what was really there.

AUBREY: It seems to me, in my own limited field, because I live in a field of belief where we've witnessed miracles enough times that it doesn't feel like a miracle anymore? It feels like of course. I've been in that and then the psychedelics again, have been my bridge to be able to get to this belief. But we have this field, we have this field of belief in our community, that's come together. These things happen that seem to be unlocking people's latent powers. And, of course, Vylana being one of the first that I saw, and watched her channel energies and languages and be able to do things that were beyond comprehension. Many, many, many people. Suraya, who's sitting right here next to us recently, this week, watched that come online, and in her hand, moving in geometrical ways, and then able to do healings. Things are happening now in this field, potentially, because of the belief of the field, and also the technologies and ceremonies that we've created to kind of bring that forward. Do you see that there's this alternate, parallel structure of a reality that's starting to find its way back, or remembering of the old ways that might be able to start permeating through and maybe make a little bit of progress in our generation, but then the next generation that comes up, when we start telling our children these same stories that we know are possible, of what is capable, things can start to shift where we could enter a world where we have all of the technology as we know it, but then start to remember our innate human technology? That's probably never occurred on Earth before where we had access to both spiritual and mechanistic technology.

MATIAS: Of course, we are opening the memory for that to be able to become many things. I can see, for example, now society has this really struggle to know what is a man and what is a woman, for example. You can be a woman if you want, you can be a man if you want. And this talk that everyone is listening to right now, is just the tip of something that is opening the possibility that you can be anything. The thing is that we are doing it from the unconscious, so we don't know exactly what we are trying to do.

AUBREY: So it's messy?

MATIAS: It's messy. We are mistaking the concept of what it is to be whatever you want to be, that you can be anything, with what we have already decided to be. So I guess that, even though, as what we were talking before, about how things can be taken, I don't know the word. I forgot the thing we were talking about.

AUBREY: Literally? Like things can be taken literally like we have right now in our phones an emoji that is a pregnant man. That really, actually, in some ways represents a beautiful idea that even in the masculine there is a womb of creation. But ultimately, we're getting it confused with, and a man is not going to have a baby. So that's where it gets messy. We're not understanding that this is actually a spiritual understanding, that we are able to access these forces of gender and sex within ourselves and there is a masculine womb, there is a feminine phallus, a woman's phallus. There's all of these things energetically that are accessible, but it doesn't change the biology of what we've chosen to have as matter.

MATIAS: Yes, so you can embody the feminine, you can embody the masculine. It has happened all the history. In Atlantean times, we had transsexuals too, because there was no limitation of feminine and masculine because we were everything. So we also had that. We also had this ability to be whatever we wanted to be. But today, because we don't have the awareness of what it is to be everything, we think that we have to be accepted by others in order to be what we are, and we have to be accepted by law, these kinds of things. That brings chaotic concepts because it's all about outside and not within. It's all about being accepted, which is something that is from the unconscious to the conscious. I've heard some people saying, "Well, today, it seems like if you want to be a giraffe, you can say, 'Well, I'm a giraffe. Treat me like a giraffe?'" And I would say, well, from an ancient point of view, yes. If you want to be a giraffe, teach us how it is to be one. How does it feel? But today's judgment of acceptance or not? It's all a cultural way of seeing things but what is actually happening is that the children right now are being born in a world that the discussion is, what do you want to be? And that's the most amazing thing because what do you perceive yourself as, a woman? But the problem is, a woman, a man? No, what do you feel you are?

AUBREY: And not worrying about what other people call you because people are going to call you all kinds of things. People will call you an asshole. Doesn't mean you're an asshole. Or you are, but whatever you identify as.

MATIAS: In a good way.

AUBREY: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MATIAS: I guess that the very important point here is that kids are being born in a context that is not being told anymore, or they're not going to be told anymore, "You are this." But they have the chance to become what they feel they are. This is just a tiny, little beginning of an unconscious society bringing back the idea that you are free. Then we have all the discussions that I'm not going to go into. What's really important is that word, is what you perceive us? What do you want to be? We've been thousands of years without anyone asking us this. That's what is changing the children being born now? They listen to the word, what do you want to be? How do you perceive yourself? The goal is not to say a woman or a man. The goal is to say, "Well, what am I?" And that's the thing that they have right now, the kids have right now this environment, asking them what they want to be, and that's amazing. Then we have all the conflicts of our society, our preconceptions of stuff, whatever, Christian things, people that put ideas upon biology, which is not good too, a lot of mistaken concepts. The one that I want to really take care of is that one. That opens a new line of reality where the kids, the children in the future will be able to decide what they want to be. And if we keep that as they're children, teenagers and adults, we can start to become anything. And we are connected, again, with that ancient memory of the same molecules that are in me are also in the sun. So, if I want to shine, I can shine too. I have helium, I can do it. I want to be water, I have hydrogen, I have oxygen, I can do it. So if you go to the very bases, you have all you need. You want to be a mountain, you have silicone inside, you can do it. You can feel a mountain, because you have it. So when you go deep into the very basis of reality, the things that I touch that seem not to be alive, they are made with the same molecules, the same atoms that I am made of. So you can become anything.

AUBREY: It's beautiful to see somebody from your perspective, because you're coming from a perspective of, okay, this is happening. And it's beautiful and it's messy, as it always does when something is birthed, there's a messy aspect of it, there's the screams in the blood. It's a messy, beautiful process. But ultimately, that infant is beautiful, that thing that's being born will grow up. And that idea will grow up into something beautiful.

MATIAS: Will take time.

AUBREY: It will take time, and we'll have to have the patience. And it just gives this whole permission to just be in a greater level of acceptance for these things that are happening now that are alright, this is a little at this stage. There was recently a Supreme Court justice who was asked by another senator, if she's a woman, if she could define what a woman is. And she said, "Nope, I can't," and everybody's saying well, that's crazy. In some ways it is, because she doesn't actually understand what the question really is. There's an obvious answer to that question and then there's another spiritual answer to that question. But she doesn't have that awareness so she's just like, "I don't know." What, we want her to be a judge? This doesn't seem right. But it's just actually the messy stage of something beautiful that's evolving.

MATIAS: It's a whole process. If you have a one year old and say, "You, now, become a doctor." Why are you not a doctor? Because he's only one year old. Maybe he doesn't even want to be a doctor, or whatever. There's a process of learning stuff until you reach what you are trying to become. And even when you become that, you might doubt it and change it, like we all do in our lives. We cannot think that what is happening now is a terrible thing. It's actually the beginning of something that will bring us to something amazing. For example, now that you say, "Define what it's a woman." Actually a woman is the wife of a man. That's the right definition. Because a woman comes from the ancient words, “wif-man”, which is the one that belongs to a man. It's horrible. The word woman is horrible when you think about it. Actually, we all are men, because man means the thinker in the native language of Europe. So the woman that is beside the thinker, no, the thinker, so man is a thinker. So we are all mankind, the ones that think, and that's the very origin of the word or also the thinker that has a womb, womb man. It's just that, but we are all the thinkers, the dreamers. There is the explanation of polarity. What is polarity? Polarity is just one thing. It's only one being that can be perceived into different options. So biology decided to divide it into different options and we decide who we call that option. But actually, we are all one, the thinker.

AUBREY: All one and then also radically unique. I've often thought that, I don't know, we have 72 pronouns to describe our gender, 72. But actually, 72 is completely insufficient. There needs to be eight billion. There actually should be eight billion because everybody is a unique gender, everybody has a unique self, which is a unique combination of all of these different energies. Some of the challenges, we're stopping too short. Fully, you're a unique gender. An invitation that I've thought of is, sure, and this is fine, and if you want to go with that, and these 72 are sufficient, and one suits you, great. That's great, but actually, in your name, in your sacred name, which is a name just representing your unique self, is contained your unique gender, and who you uniquely are. And so when we get back to trusting our I am, as this unique being of a unique gender, of a unique quality, of a unique mix of all of the different elements, of all of the different guides, of all of who we are and to say, "No, I am and this is my name," then it actually says the truth, which is that it is we are one of one and one.

MATIAS: What we are doing in our society today is what the universe did with reality. We take one only being, and we start to create many options of it, to create diversity, and today is what society is talking about, diversity. So, for example, in the past, in the Atlantean times, we had only one pronoun to talk about anything, which was Nu. So I'm talking about her and it's Nu, I'm talking about him, it's Nu. Only one thing, simple, it's just a concept. And if I am trying to define how we are all one, is Amnu. And that's it. I'm the other you. That's it. So no conflict about it because when you start to divide the differences of each one, you will never end. It's millions, as you said. You have a million options of who you can become.

AUBREY: Billions. 

MATIAS: Billions. So that's diversity and that's perfect. What is the problem? When diversity becomes duality. Before, it was easy, for example, the community was called all gay, gay people, because they were funny. So that's what gay means, to be funny, happy. So they were funny, happy and that's it. They are happy because they are free. That's it. Easy, And now you have, LG... I don't know the letters, sorry. And I am one of them. But I don't know the letters, there are too many. So what happens, the G is fighting with the L and the L is fighting with the Q. It creates so much separation that not even ourselves are agreeing with the others?

AUBREY: So you've taken something that was originally a spark of freedom and made it into a container?

MATIAS: Into separation. No, because I am this and you are different from me. The whole point was, we are all equals, and you're dividing us everyday more? So I guess that what we are doing is something really good because it's acknowledging the individuality of each one of us. So it will eventually go to the very self. We're divided in groups, then the groups into tinier groups, until we figure out, oh yes, I'm unique and I'm not part of anything. I'm just unique.

AUBREY: I think one of the pressures that's happened is, because of discrimination, then it's almost created this necessity to identify even with race. The truth of races that were all intermixed to some varying--

MATIAS: That's the origin of every culture and any religion. It was fear from others.

AUBREY: Right. Right. And fear, oppression, violence, which is all very real--

MATIAS: But it makes you, one, more. It makes you another religion and another culture that also will fight. It is a good purpose, to survive, but you become now the hunter. And it's something that we all did, by nature from the very beginning. You need a group to survive. We are mammals, for sure, you need your herd to be protected. And that's good, if you're willing to survive on this planet, if you're willing to become a conscious being, a part of this world. So cultures, religions, and groups are just taking you away from the real purpose which is being one. In evolution, I agree with the division because of course, it's part of the system and I am part of it, of course. I like it because otherwise we wouldn't have all these chances of creation. The thing is that when we start to become aware or try to say we are trying to come back to the one, the last thing we have to do is to put a name on a group. Or to try to separate ourselves from others.

AUBREY: In a way, it feels like we're healing a lot of trauma right now. We're healing a lot of trauma by really acknowledging groups that have been oppressed and making reparations as best we can, internally and externally, and there were a lot of debates on how this can be done. But it seems to me that this is an intermediary step and, potentially, a very necessary step, a very necessary step to acknowledge the suppression, which is obviously an atrocity, a fucking atrocity. There's nothing more ugly in this world than an -ism, sexism or racism, or homophobia, or all of these different discrimination or patterns that we've experienced, or against witches or whatever. Whatever we want to do to celebrate the groups and bring them back to par, to heal all of these latent entrainment that we have, heal all those. But ultimately, the place we're getting to is the recognition of radical uniqueness. Because it feels really weird to me, when I go, I have to fill out some paperwork and it says race. I get all of these lists when it comes to white. I'm like, I guess--

MATIAS: Yes, to go to the pharmacy--

AUBREY: You look at me right now, I'm pretty fucking red. I don't know. What is this? How are you going to reduce me to a color?

MATIAS: I was amazed by that here in the States, because I have never seen this in any other country. In this country, there is all about unity but when you go to ask for something, you have to say your race, aren't we all equal. So it was really weird.

AUBREY: And I think, it's the systemic racism, that's caused this need for the acknowledgement and whoa, because we fucked it up so bad that we have to get back to this and now we're transitioning, hopefully, our prayer is transitioning to a world where we can recognise the radical uniqueness of our gender, our race, of all of these different things and not have to fill out these little boxes, which reinforce these ideas of separation, which keep us farther from each other. Even with nationalities, all of these things, what country are you from? Where are you from? Okay, I was born in Santa Monica. Does that mean I'm Santa Monican?Doesn't feel like that to me but whatever you want to say, it's a very strange way that we continue to divide ourselves. It feels like the future, that a more beautiful world, heals, heals, does whatever we need to do in the intermediate to heal, to acknowledge, and then ultimately, rest on our radical uniqueness, our radical I am, I am self.

MATIAS: It's a process of understanding. It's like a kid playing with toys. And first, the kid needs to break all the structure of the game, in order to understand each part of it, until it recognizes the uniqueness of each one of those parts, and put it together until it sees the whole picture. So it's a whole process of educational awareness that, for a child, takes five, seven years, for a civilization, it takes 70 years. So we are in that moment, starting one of those processes of transition, to understand the different parts and to become aware of the different parts, because we already have broken all of them in the last centuries. Because of this, we are now trying to pay attention to each one of the parts that we have broken and take care of them, to understand how they fit together. Eventually, in 70 years, we might have a result of a civilization that acknowledges the uniqueness of every one individual and being all as one. I guess that we are going so fast that we will reach that point very shortly. But we need to embrace the process of going through it. And as I said, not through morality, but through consciousness. So we could accept anything that is going on, as a part of this process that takes us to the understanding of who we are. It will always be like this because the universe is about knowing yourself. So eventually, in 100 years, we will figure out another thing to screw it up. And to find a different way to get fun.

AUBREY: Another way to heal it. As we're wrapping up here, I have to ask, is there going to be some kind of extraterrestrial intervention of any sort that you think is possible, likely, certain? Because, of course, now we're at a time where actually the collective beliefs, the collective belief field is pretty much in belief that there are extraterrestrial beings, some that have taken physical 3D form, some that do not. I don't want to get into your whole discussion of the Confederation and all this. I talked about that a lot. Guy loves asking you those questions. So I'm sure you could get a lot there on Guy if you want to go there. But what do you think? I just can't help but think about this transition that we're making. Do you think there's going to come a point where there's some kind of intervention that plays a role in the merger of these timelines between our spiritual technology and our current material technology, and the way that our culture is moving? Is there going to be an intervention of any sort? Do you think that's possible?

MATIAS: Well, it's like the same thing as asking, in the 16th century or the 15th century, there were a lot of people that believed that God, God, would come from a cloud and save everyone. It didn't happen, even if all of them believed it. There's a reason why. It is because our frequency doesn't match its frequency. It's not about how much we believe in them, it's about how as a planet, we are really prepared to be in touch with beings that are not in the same frequency as we are? Of course, they are close by, they have been doing interventions for thousands of years. They are here, they are, all the time, here. If the question is why they don't show up like in the streets of New York, and say hi, it's because they would break with the entire process of evolution of this planet. So they can only help through us, that we were them and we are born here through them to do the process from here. So a lot of us, we are souls of aliens that came here to have the human experience in order to help the planet to transcend and to go into another level. The thing is that they cannot interfere in the process of someone else. When you accomplish to be that aware, like most of the beings that come to this planet are, they know that they cannot interfere. Otherwise, they are changing their own reality. And that would be a mess for them too.

AUBREY: You mentioned, in another conversation we had, that many of the extraterrestrial off-planet beings, star beings, are actually us in a future evolution and because of the fourth dimensionality of time, that we're actually being visited by ourself, which is a very interstellar moment, where Matthew McConaughey touches Matthew McConaughey and they do the handshake through the portal. In a way, there is some hard boundaries that they can't or won't cross because things get fucked up. So, ultimately, the answer is, it's on us.

MATIAS: It's on us. And they are helping us from the future as we are helping our ancestors to set ourselves free from them.

AUBREY: Well, this is super good news though because if they exist in the future, that means we can't have fucked it up so bad that they don't exist.

MATIAS: Depending on which race we are talking to. If you see the gray world, that's a totally different story-- 

AUBREY: So now we're getting into the multiverse concept where there's different timelines that have created different realities. 

MATIAS: Each one of the races is trying to see which one of us will create them somehow. So each one of those is giving us the tools for us to create them, somehow. That's the fourth dimension.

AUBREY: The gray world, that's the gray aliens and the gray world. The gray world sucks. They don't have any genitals. It appears to me they have no genitals.

MATIAS: No genders?

AUBREY: Genitals.

MATIAS: Genitals. Oh, no, no. It's a boring planet.

AUBREY: That world sucks. It's terrible.

MATIAS: Well, you can grab the head with the other head and have fun with it.

AUBREY: Listen, listen, no, no. I say no. I'm not into it.

MATIAS: But not all Pleiadians have balls either.

AUBREY: Fuck. 

MATIAS: So maybe Arcuturians are the best option.

AUBREY: Well, I'm fresh out of luck. I'm fresh out of luck.

MATIAS: Well, you have a lot of time to think about it.

AUBREY: Matias, thank you so much for just being here, being unafraid to speak your truth. I know that any time you speak a truth, the immune system of those who don't believe you will attack you. The white blood cells of this belief system, I'm sure they come at you but--

MATIAS: I love to be a virus.

AUBREY: Indeed, indeed. A noble purpose. Would you mind singing us home, out of this magical world that we've ventured with one more song? And then we'll say goodbye to everybody.

MATIAS: Going to sleep.

AUBREY: Let's go to sleep. The lullaby. This is a lullaby that you used to sing to your child?

MATIAS: It's a mother saying come to me because it's getting dark and the darkness cannot take if you are in my arms. Come to me, my dear son. Let's go to sleep.

AUBREY: Thank you, brother. 

MATIAS: Aye.

AUBREY: Thank you everybody for tuning in. We love you and we'll see you soon.