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AUBREY: Well, this is a treat. I have teleported a doctor from the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible, drawn you into this timeline to tell us how you practice medicine in this world, in this alternate reality that we might call Arkadia. 

ZACH: This alternate reality is a relief in the sense that our concept of time starts to get a little soft. In the world of the human egoic realm that we are all emerging from here, we are so dedicated to the concept of time. And so as we start to think about the human condition outside of time, we realize that one of the most profound examples of divine force is the healing process itself. 

AUBREY: I feel that in my body when you say time, because if I'm feeling under the weather, I'm in the biggest hurry to get well, to get well. And it's this constant race, which is denying the beauty of where you are at this moment and saying, when I get there, everything will be well. And we do that with everything. A certain amount of money, a certain relationship, a certain amount of health. And I just realized for the first time that I do that with being well. Fuck. 

ZACH: Yeah. Yeah. I think we have a reality that has become so dictated by our dedication to the concept of time that we have made our lives very finite. And it's not until we start to loosen our dedication to the duration of time or the awareness of its movement, that we start to have the opportunity to live in an infinite state of being. Infinite state of being is witnessed by everybody. It's not some far-fetched like, wouldn't that be cool if we were outside of time. Everybody experiences this. You get into a good book, or you get into a conversation with somebody and you're like, oh my God, three hours just went by. Or whatever it is. That momentary lapse of connection to time happens to all of us, usually on a weekly basis if not daily. And so, there's something that we could stem from that is that your connection and awareness to this thing that we call transit of time is nothing more than a state of perception. You have to be very focused on time to give it any credibility. Like, when you go on vacation, you take off your watch, you put your phone away, and you get up and go sit on a beach in the morning. 

AUBREY: And for everybody, that's the cliff notes on how to do a vacation, by the way. There you go. That was an instructive, little mini rant right there. 

ZACH: How do you pack your bag for vacation? 

AUBREY: Yeah, exactly. 

ZACH: But that's an exciting concept of like, when you start to set down your concentration on time, it will leave you for a moment. And that's very necessary when we start to think about these questions of health and healing and disease and all of this. Because ultimately, this function and disease within biology comes from an overindulgence of time, we give it too much credit. 

AUBREY: So you get somebody who comes in, and you've talked about this a little bit, and they're probably like, I'm sure, very much just focused on the endpoint of being well. And what I'm imagining is that what you're starting to do is bring them into a state where they can actually appreciate the radiance and beauty of their life right now, which is that healing force. In some ways, it's a bit like what Joe Dispenza his process is, which is to, except he's drawing that alternate timeline, where they're already well into the present, so that they're well in the present. But this actually seems like a subtle nuanced difference, where what I'm imagining is like, no. No. Now, now is beautiful. 

ZACH: Now is completely whole if we let it be. And that's what healing is, is to become whole. What is health? It is to be whole. And the only way to not be whole is to start to believe in time. And by believing time, you start taking the past and imprinting it on right now and then having a concept of the future and being anxious about that. And so, you're imprinting past events on ‘now’ to warp its reality. I'm, constantly these days, learning to let go of my own narratives so that I can be me. And it's a lifelong journey to just practice that. We have so many finite reductionist approaches to telling our own narrative. And for me, that seemed expansive. Oh, I'm a medical doctor. For years, I was introduced as a triple board-certified, blah, blah, blah, until I realized that was screwing up my journey. I needed to let that whole identity go because I can't become me if I'm actually being dictated in my identity by diplomas or certifications from random Western medicine sources. That's irrelevant to your soul, to show up with me and care about something I did in the past academically. 

AUBREY: It's almost like that's serving the part of us that is locked in time. By creating this biography, you're actually reinforcing time and then the part of us that agrees with time. And so I can see how, oh shit. So much of medicine is credentials, certifications. We don't call it healing. Healing is all these alternatives. You know what I mean? So, it feels like in this more beautiful world, healing and medicine actually start to superimpose over each other, where healing actually is the thing and medicine is just a tool to actually facilitate healing. 

ZACH: If we do well over the next few decades, I think we will let go of the whole concept of medicine, whether it be pharmaceutical or plant medicine. These concepts will disappear, and we'll start to move into an era where we simply understand the state of being. Because ultimately, this is where we connect to all of the original information that made us. And this time thing really is critical in understanding disease and the individual for sure, something like the emergence of cancer. But at the societal level, our emergence of empires, and extraction, and colonialism, and destruction of original wisdoms and peoples and biodiversity of thought, all of that destructiveness is coming from this stranglehold on time. Because ultimately, there can be absolutely no concept of scarcity unless you believe in time. If you let go of time, then only abundance can occur because everything is infinite. You look at the tree behind your head, and I'm just getting overwhelmed by this eternal presence that's out there that's currently in the shape of a tree. And I don't have to be at all concerned about the fact that it used to be a sprout and came up out of it. I'm experiencing an energetic infinity in the current beingness of that tree. That's the power of nature and its healing potential. It takes us out of this dedication to the concept of where the forest came from. And we just get to experience the forest. You don't have to worry about why the mountain is there, you get to experience the mountain. And the mountain has absolutely no anxiety that someday it will erode and become a plane. It's not in the awareness of mountains. It is a mountain and it holds massive energy to transit more information into a small amount of space that it holds. The stiller, I become, i.e., not trying to travel forward in time, I get to connect my mountain of beingness, which means I can transmit more information. Which of course, prevents disease. Because dis-ease is ultimately a disconnect between cellular inflammation and you start to accumulate damage because you're not knowing what needs to be repaired. Our repair qualities in the body are infinite. My great grandmother died at 102. Every single organ in her body was full of stem cells ready to completely replace that organ, brain included. So why isn't she still here? She was dedicated to a timeline because our humaneness has become so fixated on this passage of time. And we tend to imprint the now with all of our past traumas, past beliefs, past distortions of who we actually are, so that we can't connect to the original information. And so, in the end, petri dish science is pretty fascinating because you have an opportunity to look at the behavior of cells outside of their context of their human emotions. So when I was in my laboratory studying cancer, I was sitting in my little concrete bunker of a lab, 1960s lead paint, toxic fluorescent lighting, surrounded by six of these massive freezers holding thousands and thousands of tumors at minus 80 degrees Celsius. And at minus 80 degrees Celsius, time does stop at the cellular level. All the enzymes stop moving. It's so cold that there's a freezing of biologic time. Some postdocs in 50 years could be studying the same tumors that I was studying. So, there's a freezing of time, literally, through temperature. But that freezing of time is a phenomenon that I think we can reach many times over when we start to halt the other phenomena of decay, which tend to be that disruption of information. 

AUBREY: There's so many people who are focused on science, elongating the lifespan that we have and creating, like, we're going to live to be 200, 300, whatever. And it's going to be science that does it. But you've just kind of painted this other picture of spiritual development, changing the timeline that our bodies will actually go through, and actually ridding ourselves, purging ourselves from the concept of time itself. 

ZACH: Every biohacking event I've ever gone to is accelerating the death of everybody that's there. 

AUBREY: Some people are hella bummed out right now. They're looking at their tickets to the next immortality event, and fuck. 

ZACH: Yuh done it again. But it's inevitable that it would have to because it cops it in the finite version of time. It says 200 years is what you could live to. Well, 200 years is not a biologic thing. That is a human construct, 200 years. And by the way, what a puny thing to shoot for 200 years. We are infinite beings that are right now animating a human body. And at some point, you need to get to that level of awareness of like, my soul is on a fricking mission here. And it would be bizarre for me to take a human brain that is animated by an infinite energy source and then create a grandiose human story about how it's going to last for 200 years. I mean, the soul has to be laughing so hard that we come up with this cosmic joke of longevity at 200 years. Dude, have you seen yourself? You've been here for eons, like eons, like the beginning of time. 

AUBREY: Unborn in the undying. I felt that really strongly when I watched the Kurzweil documentary. It's about Ray Kurzweil just trying so hard, first of all, to bring back his father, which is a very sweet sentiment and I appreciate the heartfelt nature of that. He just misses his dad. I'm like, your dad's there, man. Just talk to him. He's right there. If you need some ayahuasca to connect, go for it, but he's there. And then this desire to live as long as he can, if not forever. I'm like, homie, congratulations, you do live forever and it's not going to be because of nanobots. It already exists. And if we can really somatically get that into our body, that state of consciousness, I think, I can feel all levels of healing and all levels of things that we believe are not possible become possible because we're in literally a parallel universe at that point. 

ZACH: Yeah. And we have to create these false universes to live in to experience the concept of death. The concept of death is an endpoint. To believe in that endpoint, you have to create a false universe where you're detached from Infinite beingness. And you're not capable of awareness beyond the body. And the body actually becomes a boundary event for what we would call life. And yet, nothing else in nature does this. The tree does not see itself as a finite timeline. The tree is an energetic center that supports massive amounts of biodiverse life in its origin as a sprout into this massive live oak that has a sprawling canopy of 120 feet in diameter and root systems that shoot and 120 feet down into the ground. And that thing is supporting hundreds of thousands of species into this consciousness. And we now know that the Aspen, being the classic example of a macro organism, the Aspen Grove can cover kilometers. But it goes much further than that because the Aspen Grove is not limited to Aspen. It has these mycelial networks that connect it to evergreen, and to mosses, and fungi. And so you have this massive organism called life. And the tree doesn't see itself as the beginning point or endpoint of anything. And neither do we, when we're in our best state. We can start to feel that infinite nature when we're out in nature. We can have those moments where it's like, whoa, I think I'm everything. I think everything is me. And this, of course, is the wisdom that you'll hear sitting with any original people's shaman. It doesn't matter which continent you're on, somebody who is considered a healer, has gotten outside of the false reality of death, and is helping people connect back to some original information. And so the false reality we live in is this concept of the finite of death. So when you let go of that and say, okay, there's only energy. That's all that exists in the universe, is energy. And it comes in many beautiful forms. And the beauty that we see around us is a manifestation, or a demonstration, perhaps, a better word for it, a demonstration of the curiosity of the infinite. 

AUBREY: It seems like what you're suggesting is that the role of shaman and doctor in this future or present most beautiful world, they start to also merge together, where healing and medicine start to merge. And so merge so that they almost become untouchable. They're just a part of the fabric of what exists. And also, this idea of shaman, the one who's experienced this place beyond time and can speak to the infinite energy that we are demonstrating, that starts to collapse in on itself and that starts to be the same role. And it's this kind of interesting idea where those things start to come together in a really interesting way. I'd haven't really thought of it like that. But of course. Of course, that makes sense. 

ZACH: And the difference between a shaman and an MD is the science they practice. Shaman comes out of this world of philosophical existence and the MD comes out of physics, and biology may be easier to see. But many scientists on the planet have heard the quote and I've reiterated that there's only two pure sciences on the planet, and that's physics and philosophy. But physics was actually announced, springing up philosophy around the times of the Greeks. So there's actually only one true science, which is philosophy. And what's happened between the Greeks and now is we got so enamored with the science of physics. And that led us ultimately, to understanding biology. We then forgot physics and then thought biology ruled. We're finding our way slowly back to physics and biophysics as the realm of reality. And biology is just a finite semblance of it. But nonetheless, in our journey into this dedication to the physical sciences, we forgot all of the philosophy from which it came. And so the difference between the shaman and the medical doctor is one is still rooted in the original science of philosophy and the other has forgotten it completely. 

AUBREY: If people are listening and they're saying, well, what about my dog? My dog isn't rooted in the field of time. It's just being a dog, or the wolf outside, or the chipmunk. And they still die. They're still subject to time, even without believing it. What I'm imagining, and I'll let you see what you imagine, what I imagine is there's three stages of consciousness. There's the pre-tragic, which is where you don't know any difference and you just exist. And that's the state that the animals are in. It's the Edenic state. It's pretty tragic. That level of awareness hasn't come to make things really confusing. We're currently, largely, most of us most of the time, we're in the tragic stage, where we are aware, we've become self-aware. And everything gets really confusing at this point, because we're able to actually escape from the timeless, infinite presence of now. And we're able to escape from that and lock ourselves in time and chart ourselves in the future and in the past. And we're able to do all of these things, look at ourselves as an observer. And we're in this and this is creating a lot of disease. But what I'm imagining is that there's always, you include and transcend each level if you're doing it in the best way. So, including the wisdom of the pre-tragic, including the wisdom of the tragic. Arriving at the post-tragic level of consciousness, which then can allow all of the philosophy that we can gain from being in the tragic stage, and all the ways of thinking about things, and all of the practices that we could potentially do to actually bring us into a state that's far deeper and more potent, even than the pre-tragic stage where we're just like the chipmunk, or the otter, or the whale. 

ZACH: Yeah. And even those three categories, we have to be careful not to subject it to time. And so we can be all three at once. It's a cool concept. 

AUBREY: Yeah, we must include it. 

ZACH: We have to embrace all forms of, the duality of all that is real all at once. I'm glad you differentiate squirrel and otter because the dog is a complicated one now, because we've actually imprinted human constructs and emotions. Ultimately, the vibration of human emotion is very much in the clan mindset or instinct of the dog. The dog will absorb whatever you're bringing to it because it feels it's part of your clan. It's going to help support the clan. And so, our domesticated animals, be they horses, dogs, cats, whatever it is, we have definitely diseasified these things. There's 1.6 cases of cancer for every 2 dogs now. It's almost 100% of dogs have cancer in the United States. And that just started in the last five years, this explosion of canine cancers which is indicative of the level of disconnect humanity is traveling in right now. We see it expressed in our animals in powerful ways. It's very easy to heal animal cancer. We do it in labs all the time. It is very difficult to heal human cancer. The animal is supporting an energetic wave form and as soon as you disrupt that waveform, it's not coming from within the dog. As soon as you remind it of its original information, connect it back to its nature, the cancer goes away. We do that through the microbiome. So, if you give back the dog through the information, technology of the microbiome, the cancers dissolve very quickly. You give the human the same information, they have such a capacity to overwrite the original information with their current emotional remembrance that they can’t get the original information in? They corrupt the data as it comes in. And they're doing that by their dedication to time because their mind is. Remember that trauma? Remember that person that offended me or screwed me over or abandoned me? Literally, we make our lives so dedicated to our memory of the things past that they're corrupting the information in real time as it comes in from the whole universe saying, you're here. You are here. Holy crap, you're here. We're so glad you're here. Welcome to here. And you can't get that information in because you're so busy having been programmed with the broken expectations of your life. Yeah. So this is what I mean, when I say time is ultimately the thing that's going to make sure that we all die at an appropriate young age, is that we are so dedicated to either our definition of all the past things that have corrupted our system, or this fear that we have an endpoint coming that we have to keep pushing out. 

AUBREY: We have nasty language too that denigrates the present. I can't wait till. I can't wait till I'm 21, says the 15-year-old. Really? Really? You're going to miss ages 15 to 21? Whoa. You can't wait? That fucking sucks. I can't wait till this thing is over. I can't wait till, I can't wait till. 

ZACH: My kids are grown up. 

AUBREY: Shit. Shit. And then also, I can't wait and I can't believe. I can't believe. All of these ways that are saying now isn't beautiful. And now isn't perfect just the way it is. And it's just reinforcing, reinforcing this state that is the precursor of disease, and actually is a disease in and of itself. It's not in the medical textbooks but it is the foundation. 

ZACH: How many times have you heard a day, I'm so busy? That can only be a concept that is dedicated to the concept of time. Really? Because it looks like you're sitting in front of me bitching. It doesn't look like you're doing anything right now. And you're busy. What does that even mean? What in your head means you're busy? You must have this concept of a week and then you're thinking of all the things you're going to put in that week. And you're so busy thinking about that, that you're now so overwhelmed and exhausted, you need to bitch about how busy you are. And so, it's just such an abstract, stupid concept that I am busy. No, you're just right here. You're just right here, dude. Let's not take the journey too seriously. You're here, there's a whole universe out there. If the universe depended on your imagination to create it, we would have nothing because you would've been too busy to create it all. And so, time really is our disease. It creates the ultimate fear of scarcity. And the egoic mind is there to protect us in a universe full of scarcity. And so, we have to grab on to ego to be like, do I have enough stuff? Time is short, stuff is short. Am I winning the game? I think I'm winning the game, I feel like I'm winning the game every day. And then you wake up and, I'm not winning the game today? I think my next-door neighbor's winning the game today. They seem busier than I am. I need to get busier. And so, the journey in my clinic for example, when a cancer patient comes in is just to slow it down because they're coming in with reams of information. 17 CT scans, and blood work, and long stories about chemotherapy and radiation surgeries. It can take weeks to dig through somebody's clinical records. And I did that for years. Dig through, dig through, try to find the breadcrumbs. Now it's just irrelevant. That's the past. I don't have an interest in doing this with you. But if you would like to just come super present right now and let's just find out who you are right this second. And how did you get here? And what are you here to do? Then suddenly, their whole countenance changes. And by the time they walk out of the clinic a couple of hours later, they've forgotten that there was anything but this exciting new journey they're on. That's how the next moment should feel, is a sense of landing and then a sense of curiosity should be engendered. Because until you realize that you are a creative being, that we're here right now and everything that's ever happened in the past is not here, you are here right now, I believe that the energy that you form, that is created is curiosity. Curiosity is our path forward. And it's only now because you can't be curious in the future. You can be curious now what the future will bring. But you can't be curious in the future. I believe you can be anxious in the future. I think we do that all the time. Oh my gosh, I have a test next Tuesday. And you're already being anxious about it. 

AUBREY: Yeah, you're transporting your anxiety. 

ZACH: Transporting your energy from that event to right now? Seems to be anxious in the future, but try to be curious in the future. I wonder what I'm going to be thinking some other time. We don't do that. 

AUBREY: It's still a curiosity right now. 

ZACH: It's a confluent creative force. You've talked brilliantly about the energy that comes out of the sexual experience where people are near this kind of creative, energetic force and they reach this God moment kind of experience. And in endocrinology, we focus a lot on the hormone oxytocin, which is even baked in the Western medicine inside a box, they call it the God hormone. Because when oxytocin hits the neurologic system, it loses all that time coordination and becomes right now. And so, an oxytocin brain cannot be anxious about the future, past, everything. It brings you right now. Oxytocin is released in huge amounts at the moment that a woman is going through labor for a child, at the moment of death, at the moment of the birth of a child in front of you. Everybody in the room can have an oxytocin event. It can happen during sex, it can happen during prayer and meditation, spiritual song, dance. 

AUBREY: And you're talking about like a flood of oxytocin, not just the little bit that you get if you're holding hands or are in contact. 

ZACH: Oh, even that's enough. Even a little bit of oxytocin is magic. Dose isn't even necessary because it's so good at what it does. It's so good at what it does. I was just with this amazing Mohican elder last weekend. And we were talking about natural law as a concept. We had like 30 people kind of brainstorming all day, kind of jamming, think-tanking on the concept of natural law, what is this thing? And how do we apply it to governance systems? All this. And at the end of the day, we had gotten done with the think tank, ate a great meal, and played some great music. This Mohican elder sang an amazing traditional song. And then he told this story. He said, I was with my granddaughter the other day and we were at a community dance and she's six years old. And I noticed about an hour in that she had made eye contact with a little boy across the room. And I noticed her kind of move around the room and get different angles and look at this boy and he was looking at her. And I watched this chemistry start to form over an hour's time. And pretty soon they were standing like 6 feet apart. And they were kind of shuffling their feet and looking down at the floor, shy and embarrassed, kind of feel to it. About half an hour later, there was a little bench they found and they sat down next to each other. And they were even more kind of bopping and moving and jittery and they couldn't make eye contact yet. And then right before the dance ended, the little boy put his hand on my granddaughter's knee and they both stilled. And there was a moment of stillness there. And then the dance was over, and they got up and they went their separate ways. And there was no sense of disconnect or anything. He said, that's natural law. Those children in that moment went into a timeless experience due to oxytocin. So that little hand on the knee, even before the hand on the knee, those kids for the first time, at six years old, were starting to feel something of, there's something greater than myself here. There's something really big that I'm touching here. And that eye contact was all it took to start sparking off this oxytocin event. And I guarantee, in those two children's experiences, everything else disappeared in the room. All they were aware of was this beam of information, energy flowing between those two things. And they're too young to worry about the concepts of love or boyfriend, girlfriend, titles, labels. They were simply experiencing an energetic exchange at the soul level transit and that information was there. And so, oxytocin is a reminder to us that it doesn't take much to disconnect you from your sense of reality and get you plugged back into the greater thing that is reality. And so, we are very blessed with an endocrine system that is capable of doing this. And so, at the beginning of a healing journey, I encourage all of you to, A, look at the cosmic joke. No matter how long or short you feel your life is at the moment, to try to imagine the universe, nature outside, and whether that came from you or not. You'll realize it's ridiculous that you've defined life in the way that you have. There's no way that your short life and your dedication to your iPhone watch or whatever it is, is irrelevant to the journey of energy through all space and time that keeps showing up in a million different iterations to show us what beauty looks like. It's impossible that your current sense of reality is complete, that it's whole. And so there's an opportunity for us to laugh at ourselves here and realize that no matter what tragic diagnosis we may have just been hit with, we can have a moment of humor, like, it's funny that we feel like this is the most important thing that's happened in our life, is this diagnosis. Because in fact, the most extraordinary thing that ever happened is we showed up in the first place. That was the biggest thing. And then we polluted it with a massive amount of disinformation. That time is important, that we should worry about the future, that we should get degrees, that we should go believe in physics instead of philosophy, whatever it is. We go on these journeys of disconnect. We have so much opportunity to re-envision everything from shaman to MD. Both of those concepts were necessary when we believed in a scarce universe. The shaman takes us into these experiences of the infinite, and we heal. The medical doctor can accidentally do that as well. And we do it through dedications of the pharmaceutical world and all that. But I have seen people heal in the Western medical paradigm. And it has to do with bringing them to the brink of care. We can make them so miserable in ICUs and like that they suddenly let go of their hold on life. They say, you know what? I don't care if I die. This is too much pain, too much suffering, too much disconnect. A human hasn't touched me in five weeks. I've been in this ICU for five weeks and I have not felt a finger on me. I've had latex, and plastic gowns, and masked people and all this around me as if I'm some sort of extraterrestrial oddity. And they come in once a day to study the oddities of my body and then they leave. And I am lonely and I'm miserable. I don't care about life anymore. And at that moment, we've done the shamanic journey of letting you let go of life. And then healing can suddenly happen. And so, I have seen spontaneous healing in ICUs. But it's because of the failures of my system that I practiced that I got them to that point. And it was my failure of understanding their humanity that allowed me to treat them like I did. That brought them to the brink of letting go of life. And I have to hold that. I have to hold that experience in me like, wow, I did that. I did that to people. I did that to humans. I do that to animals. I do that to trees every day. I walked by them unseen in this relatively beautiful version of Texas here that we call Austin. There's so many trees sitting in the middle of these roads, right on the sidewalk. 10,000 people a week come out of these hotels and walk by that tree and have never seen that tree. What does that feel like, as an energetic being, to be unseen over and over again? We are horrible at doing it right now. And therefore, we're carrying an enormous amount of disease in our society. And the more dedicated we get to the past and the future, the more disease we carry. And what has happened in the last five years when we see pet cancer explode in canines and beyond, we are showing ourselves how disconnected we are from the now and how dedicated we are to the past and the future. And we have built entire socio-political, socio-economic structures based on that level of disconnect. And the only expression that we can have in that state is extraction. Because ultimately, we have become a malignancy at that point. A cancer cell is the only cell in the body that has completely cut off from all the information of the rest of the organism and thinks it's the last semblance of life. And it can't produce its own energy because it's so damaged, so all it knows is to start sucking energy from everything around it. And trying to replicate as fast as possible because it's too damaged to heal, so it can only replicate. And I would posit that humans are too disconnected to heal. And so we're sucking the energy out of this planet as fast as we can and we are replicating as fast as we can. So why did we go through this parabolic explosion of, because we were so damaged that the only thing we could do was proliferate. And we could not heal. But that's not the spiritual journey we're on. It is the biologic journey we just did. Spiritual journey is that every one of these bodies animated by an infinite soul. And so, the egoic world is speeding towards its own malignant collapse. But it's being leveraged, that reality is being leveraged by 7.9 billion souls that have been here since the beginning of time for a brilliant moment of transformation. Those souls know that as you get enough energy in a small amount of space within the universe, you create a black hole. You create so much energetic gravity that you suddenly do a creation event. Black holes are what create everything. Black holes take light energy, pull it into a gravitational center, and then spin it out, not in the shape of light anymore, but in particle state. That's called the event horizon of the black hole. So, every galaxy that you've ever seen displayed on telescopes or otherwise is this disc of stars that spin out in these long energy forms of planets and asteroid belts and all of this. That's coming out of the event horizon of a black hole. Black holes are simply the most organized gravitational forces in the universe. It turns out we have billions of them inside of our body. Every proton is a black hole. And it spins the light energy that is coming out of your cells from the translation of sunlight into carbon chains as chlorophyll organized as a glucose molecule or a fatty acid. You consume, it passes through a million purposes to get to a mitochondria so that carbon can be broken back apart to release light energy. That light energy is so bright in you. Per cubic centimeter, the human body produces about 10,000 times more light than the surface of the sun. We're 10,000 times more efficient of releasing the light than it is in producing the light. We are stars. Why aren't you just blinding me right now? Because you're taking all of that light and every proton as a black hole is turning it into a particle state. You have so much light energy and it's expressing itself as particles right now, which makes you look like a solid human being. You are a solar event in a particle state. And you're here right now. And then we diminish you and we diminish you and we disconnect you from all sources of information. And you become the malignancy on the planet. The future will not hold the shamans or MDs. If we survive this egoic journey and the souls win the game, we will create a sacred geometry among those souls that creates so much light density suddenly that we phase shift. We literally change the phases of biology, physics. We change our relationship in philosophy. We change all of that in this transformational event. And that might be our death. That might be our extinction event. Or it might be our rebirth within this physical structure that we call bodies. We don't know yet. It's a 50-50. It's a tossup right now. We're at this very exciting, curious moment of who are we and why did we show up? Did we show up to create a gravitational event just so that the universe will shift? Because that's a really good goal. But if we need to shift universal energy by showing up and going extinct with this sudden density of 8 billion souls in one place at one time to create this energetic transformation, because death is never an endpoint, it's a continuation, it's a transmutation of the energy into a new form. That oak that dies and falls on the ground, within one year, all of the tissue that was oak is now supporting 100,000 species in one year. Death, when done within the context of the universe, within the context of nature, is always a massive expansion of rebirth. It's not rebirth of a thing, it's rebirth of a civilization. My death will be rebirth of a civilization if I am connected to other humans. The only way that we could really fail in this mission is if we managed to disconnect the souls. I don't think it's possible. Our frail human minds can't move those light being energies. We are being organized for a great purpose. The future is not going to hold the shaman or the medical doctor. The future is not going to hold hospitals and militaries. It's not possible. Because we're reaching this collision moment of the egoic world coming to its malignant endpoint and the rise of an infinite being that is a soul state within us. And at that collision point, everything that is past cannot move forward. And you can do that moment right now. 

AUBREY: And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what a doctor from the most beautiful world our hearts know is possible sounds like sounds. Not much like any doctors that I know. Fuck, man. I don't know how you do this every time. Do you have like just a whole array of things where you just like, today it's going to be the sun, today it's going to be water day, today it's going to be time? It's really mind-blowing, man. I'm so honored to walk this path with you, brother. So fucking honored. And let's go. 

ZACH: I love it. 

AUBREY: Let's shepherd these souls into—

ZACH: Timeless states. 

AUBREY: Timeless states. 

ZACH: I'm honored to be with you. Thanks to everyone listening. 

AUBREY: Yeah. Thank you so much, everybody. So much love. 

AUBREY ((ADS): Wow. I really hope this episode enlivened your own thinking in your own life, in your own heart as much as it did me. I remember when I finished this conversation, I could not stop thinking about, talking about all of these concepts that were raised. It was like there was an energy, a code transmission, something that awakened a truth in me. And they call these truths that you just feel in your body, the name is anthro ontological. It's where you anthrops, you actually understand the knowledge of something in your own body, and you can just feel it as true. And that's what Zach Bush is providing. He's providing things that, yes, there's the scientific explanation, but we feel it as true. And I think one of the most important things of this more beautiful world, one of the most important aspects is that we start to trust ourselves. Trust ourselves, again. Trust that we have a guidance system built in. That may not always be right. And we have to also trust that we're filled with different biases, and different desires, and different fears. But nonetheless, if we listen, there's a le'hisha'er, a whisper. And the whisper will guide us and let us know whether the instrument of truth is in tune or not in tune. And so many of these episodes from the Arkadia series are really invitations to listen to something and see if it feels true. Actually, any podcast. Not only my podcast, but any podcast. Does it feel true? Does it feel true? Of course, the logical mind can make a lot of explanations, and can have a lot of scaffolding. That's important. I'm not trying to deny that dimension of reality where we look at things from a mathematical lens. But there's another lens and that's the lens of our heart. Do we feel it? Does it feel right? Does it feel true? What we're trying to do with Arkadia is actually get enough people together in this type of mindset, where we actually not only can imagine this more beautiful world, but we can live in it. We can abide by it. We can build a home in it. We do that, that's something powerful. Because ultimately, we can spend all of our energy trying to tear down the old world, the world, the default world, the consensus reality. We can poke all of the holes we want in it. And it's probably not going to do a damn thing. That's not the way that a revolution happens. A revolution happens by making something irresistible. It happens by creating art, and poetry, and feeling, and connection that is so irresistible that the alignment is unstoppable. That people defect from the default reality and join this reality while being on the inside of the other reality. It doesn't mean that everything has to change. It means that you have to change everything. It's an internal process. This world that we have out here, it's heaven or hell, depending on our own perspective. Robin Williams. It would seem that if you take your own life, you're in hell. That's the only explanation. But in a different perspective, with a different lens, with a different way, potentially, you could see the beauty in it. And it's one extreme example of how perspective can decide whether we're living a life worth living or not. And so the more beautiful world comes from a change of purview, a change of perspective. The mythical kingdom, Eldorado, all of these mythical places, we think of them and even people searched for them, in the case of Eldorado, a land is paved with gold. It was a metaphor. They were trying to liberalize a myth. And the myth was that when you actually are in the kingdom, everything is gold. All of the insides of everything are lined with love. And when you're there, you're in heaven. You're in El Dorado. You are in Arkadia. Arkadia is a real place. It's a real place and the consecration of that place is going to happen this summer. And yes, it's happening in many other places, in many other ways, in small moments at dinner tables, and all over. The purpose is to gather as many people together as we can to just plant that sword in the ground and say, here we are and you are all invited. Because it's not an antagonistic conflict model, a war model, a conquering model, a colonization model. No, it's an invitation model. It’s saying, here we are. This is how we think, this is how we love, this is how we relate, this is how our economy is, this is how our education is, this is how our health is, this is how we handle things. And we have the freedom, still now, to live in that reality. And it seems that there are forces that are trying to take away some of those freedoms. And yes, there may be a place to rally and stand against those forces that seek to obstruct our freedoms. But far more powerful than that is to live in the freedom. To be freedom. To be the embodiment of freedom, as a living, walking, breathing, emanating invitation to freedom and invitation to Arkadia. That's how the world changes. That's how all of this stuff happens. Again, there's a place for all of the other strategies. For the campaigning, the protesting, the ballots, the petitions. I'm not discrediting any of that and saying only the magical way in which this is happening will work. But this is also real. And in my mind, the most important thing. Whenever I've tried to convince anybody of anything, like my family, my family thought I was fucking crazy for going on all these psychedelic journeys. And I would try to convince them, and I would tell them that the visions are actually instructive, and it's opening my heart, and it's giving me access to higher and better parts of myself, and perhaps even intelligence that's beyond me. And I would explain all the stories. They didn't give a shit. And then one day, I just showed up, and I was a bit happier than they'd ever seen me. My laughs were a bit easier. I was a little bit more loving. I laughed and played with the kids a little bit lighter. And they were like, wow, what did you just do? And I was like, I just went and did Wachuma with Don Howard. Like, I want to go do Wachuma with Don Howard. I was like, no shit. Wow. Okay. Great. That's how it works. That's actually what causes people to shift. Because when you have this identity, this reality that you pushed all of your understanding into, and you've built your own identity based upon all of these constructs that you have, and these letters of affirmation, and degrees, and titles, and accomplishments, and all of that, and you have this fortress around you, then the instinct is to defend all of that, defend all of those things that are there. But really, the most important thing is, what do you feel like? How are you inside your own castle? What do you feel like? Is it a castle to you or is it a prison? That's the interesting question. If you're trying to invite somebody into a glorious castle but in your own body, you're not looking out at a glorious castle, you're looking out at a prison, why would anybody want to follow you? So, to liberate anybody, we gotta liberate ourselves. We got to liberate our ability to live in Arkadia, to be a part of Arkadia, to be Arkadia. And Arkadia, it's an idea. Yeah, it's an idea. And it's real when we make it real. And then when we make it real, that's when the magic becomes real. Burning Man has done this in its own way. One of the most transformative things about Burning Man is not the fire, and the cars, and the psychedelics, and all of that. It's that there's an energy there. There's an ethos there. There's something that's in the collective unconscious of that Playa that's different. And the rules don't apply. Gifts come as rewards for just living a glorious life. I remember one story from Burning Man which I'll never forget. We parked all our bikes, and we made a pile of all of our jackets, and we just started dancing. And we were dancing with all of our hearts, sweat pouring off us, just enjoying the music. We had a huge pile of coats in the middle. And finally, the music set ends, everybody picks up their coats, we get ready to go on our bikes to another place. And underneath all of our coats, somebody had left us a gift, which was a half drank bottle of Jim Beam. And obviously, a half drank bottle of Jim Beam, not like a super big deal if you're going to give that to your friend in the default world. But in the Playa, in the middle of nothing where no bar, it's like, wow. Somebody just gave us that. And they gave us that, just to say like, hey, y'all, I enjoyed the energy that you were putting out from your dancing. And this is part of the gift economy. This is part of the understanding that the Playa provides and that there is no monetary exchange other than giving out on the Playa. So, there's certain things that have happened in this little microcosm, which is why Burning Man is different than any other festival. Now, of course, we may not be able to extrapolate that entirely to every aspect of our society. But those people who go carry a little of that ethos with them. Same with Arkadia. When we go, and we relate in a different way, we understand in a different way, we pray in a different way, we live in a different way, we celebrate each other in a different way, all of these aspects start to ripple out. Then we'll carry that with us into the world and then we'll find solutions to pull this reality that we're living in towards us. We'll become the magnets that are drawing this timeline into reality. And if we don't do it, who else is going to do it? Other people will try and do it and succeed. I'm sure. It's not like Arkadia is the only place that this is ever happening. I don't want to be grandiose about it. But we're doing it. And you're invited. And I want to see you there. Because I believe it. I believe this is how things change for the better. And it's going to be the collective intelligence of all of these sovereign beings, every sacred name, singing their own sacred song, their name, participating in the divine name. Everybody's unique story participating in a greater story. It's not the effacement, the obsoletion of all of everybody's identity and all of their unique, no! It's the opposite. It's the celebration of everyone's unique self that then forms a symphony. And it's the symphony of unique selves, everybody, both individual and connected. It dispels the myth of separation. Because you know your self is connected and your self is unique. And that's what's ultimately celebrated. And if that starts to emanate and we can actually bring that together in a nexus of concentrated force, and allow that to ripple out from there, I don't know how far it'll go. I believe it could go really far. That's why we're doing it. And look, if that doesn't happen, yeah, all right, we're going to have a great time. But I truly believe that this and many other events like it have deep cosmic significance. That's Arkadia. That's what we're doing. So, if you're interested, I would love to see you there. There's only a thousand people who are going to go to Arkadia this year. Maybe next year, it'll be bigger. But this year, there'll be a thousand of us in Alpine, Wyoming and we're going to see what we can do. Matías de Stefano will be there, Charles Eisenstein will be there, Zach Bush will be there, Blu will be there, Vylana will be there, I will be there, all the musicians will be there, all the coaches will be there. And we're going to give the space for real magic to happen. And I'm confident that it will. And we'll see how that all unfolds. But this is the place where we're making a stand. And this is the way that we're making a stand. Like "Matrix Reloaded," when the machine world was coming to bore down and make obsolete all human dignity and sovereignty, what did they do? Well, they danced. They celebrated, they made love. They played drums, they sweat. They celebrated what it was to be human. They said, we are human beings. We are fucking human beings and that's what we stand for; our sovereignty, our choice, our primal loving, beautiful, complicated nature. That's who we are. Come on in. Come to Zion. That was the message from that scene. And that's the message from Arkadia. And yeah, there might be the different ships that we got to send out and the things that we got to deal with. But that's not for me. What's for me is, let's create this more beautiful world. Let's build Arkadia. Let's build it. Let's build it together. Much more interested in that than fighting all of the other apocalyptic realities. Let's just build something beautiful. Let's build something beautiful together. Thank you all for listening. I hope to see some of you there. And for those of you who won't be there, Arkadia is in the heart as much as it is in Alpine, Wyoming. If you're interested in coming, there's some applications left open. Fitforservice.com/arkadia. I love you guys. I'll see you soon.