What do extra dimensional beings have to say about AI, UAP’s, Chaos, and Divine Will?

Paul Selig is one of my favorite guests, and he comes on today to channel the wisdom that comes through The Guides.

I approach all channeling with a degree of skepticism but time and again, The Guides provide wisdom and clarity that resonate as true within my own body, and this podcast was no exception. What the guides are saying is that we are facing a time of reckoning, and the future of our world will depend on who we decide is running the show. Starting first with our Self. 

Enjoy what is perhaps one of my favorite conversations I’ve had with Paul, and check out Paul’s latest work athttps://paulselig.com/.

AUBREY: Paul, it's good to see you again, brother.
PAUL: Thanks for having me. Glad to be here.
AUBREY: Yeah, for sure. So, as we're exploring this text from, largely, “The Book of Innocence” and wherever else it might go, what in your mind is the direction that the guides took the teachings in “The Book of Innocence” that included and transcended the other teachings that they've taught prior?
PAUL: I don't know, they just finished another one. The 12th book was just completed about two weeks ago. So my brain is sort of swimming from all of this, and there's a point when they all sort of come together as one. I think what's really happened in the teachings is they've taken us away from a kind of sense of self-importance to a sense of collective awareness. And a lot of what they're working with now, is this idea of moving beyond collective restriction. Most of these things seem to be held in memory. So where they went to in this book, which was very different and unexpected, was that, the idea that everything that we see and experience in most ways has been named by those who came before us. And, every memory that old individually and collectively is tainted by what they say is a false belief in separation. So, our memory is actually faulty, and they're dealing with a restoration to the aspect of each of us that they say is innocence, is the true innocence. And not innocent as in stupid, but innocent as in uncorrupted, untainted, knowing without fear. So they've said for a long time that the octave, the common field that we all share and occupy, is informed by fear in such a way that we don't even really recognize that it's just present. It's like swimming in a dirty swimming pool. It's all we've known, so we just don't know the difference. And the idea of moving to what they call the upper room and reclaiming ourselves, or being reclaimed might be a better way to say it, at this level of tone or resonance claims a world anew. Because the world that we see isn't informed by the old. And, consequently, can be lifted or reclaimed at this level of toner residence, which does not hold the old template. So, if you can imagine just shifting beyond a whole system of agreement, and what things were supposed to mean, who we're supposed to be and how we thought the world was to a very different way, I think that's where they're taking us now.
AUBREY: Yeah, really, what I feel when I'm reading the words from the guides, and just feeling it in my own body, and that's one of the reasons why we came together is that what the guides are saying are things that feel true, anthro-ontologically, Anthropos, my body ontologically, that which is real, I feel it in my body. This idea that the kingdom is here, but the kingdom is a perception, it's a perception from a different octave. And actually, all things are the kingdom if you can see it from that octave. And, the interesting parts are then, you can't, one, deny the divine that is in as in through all things. You can't deny the divine, but you also can't bypass the actual strata of density, that things are happening, where moves are being made to control and fear and all of these different things are being proliferated from. So, it's an interesting place that the guides are inviting. They're inviting us to... And I feel this invitation personally, and I feel incredibly grateful that I've been able to actually find myself on the bridge to be able to see through the upper room, and then also take action in the level of density from the site that I've been able to gain from the upper room. But it requires us to be able to see all of the different octaves, and then be able to navigate what we should do and how we should interact with the world.
PAUL: I agree. I mean, they said in the very first book which was dictated in 2009, and published in 2010, and this is the 11th, that humanity is at a time of reckoning. And then they broke that down and said a reckoning is a facing of oneself, and all of one's creations, and that everything that's been claimed and created in fear needs to be reseen or reclaimed in a higher way. I don't think that we get to do that unless we're willing to bear witness to it. It's not about accusation and blame as much as recognition. Because the guides have said again, and again, and again, you can’t lift. Well they say you can't lift the evil man to the upper room, because you've aligned to him at that level of tone, or consciousness, or equivalency. But that doesn't deny the acts of one or the collective choices that we've made. I think we like to think that we're not party to what we see because it's happening elsewhere, or through somebody else's experience. But the guides have actually said that if you can see it, you're in alignment to it, and the consciousness that you hold is actually informing it at whatever level you come to it with. So, if you're coming to it as you said from a higher perspective, you can actually lift it or reclaim it at its essence, which is of source. They say what you put in darkness calls you to the darkness. They've said it for years. It's a simple teaching, but it's a teaching of alignment. You go to the higher, where you're not reinforcing the negative, but you can see what is there, and you can understand it, and you can also lift it. This doesn't mean you're not in discernment. I think it means you're in high discernment. But I think the aspect of you, this perceiving is the one that's perceiving without the agenda that the personality structure probably has.
AUBREY: Right. There's a quote from the book, and it's, you cannot fight the darkness, you can bring the light to the darkness. But illumination is never a battle. It's a beautiful, beautiful, pure and clean teaching. As always the guides, they deliver with a sense of impeccability. But there's a nuance to that because in certain cases, the illumination may be resisted. One, resisted, and two, the illumination may be necessary. And so, this is an interesting spot, because again, yes, it can't be a fight. But also, there's tension between the one who's trying to bring the illumination, and the one who is resistant... Because of their agreements to fear, resistant to the illumination, their agreements to separation, resistant to the illumination. So, it does create a certain sense of tension, which could be perceived as a fight, but I think it's subtle what the guides are saying.
PAUL: More productive possibly too. I mean, if you shine a light on something that's been held in darkness for a very, very long time, first of all, the thing doesn't know what to do. It wants to scamper, I mean, go down to your basement. Look at the little bugs. Turn the lights on, they're all scurrying away from the light. I think nothing is reclaimed until it's first accepted. If the intention is to judge and make wrong, then you have to look at what the motive is, because I think the idea of illumination is simply... It goes back to this quote of the guides, which threw me for a long time, and I sort of get it now. They said in truth, a lie cannot be held. So in the vibration of truth, the distortion doesn't exist at the level of innocence that they're teaching now which is truth. I guess it's another way to say that. The agendas of the personality self, at whatever level have to be reclaimed and renowned as well. It says you can't be the light and hold another in darkness. It's really simple. And so, the light itself may be challenging and frightening to one who hasn't seen it. They said once in one of the books, maybe this one that if somebody has been really reared in darkness. I mean, imagine someone who's lived their whole life in shadow and darkness. It's extraordinarily challenging to be called forth, to be witnessed in a higher way. When the guides do workshops, and they have people work with each other, and they're seeing the inherent divinity in the ones before them, or the people that are doing it with partners, some people can't do it, it's too painful to be seen with love. It's too hard to haven’t known it. It's amazing when it happens. Anything can change very quickly then.
AUBREY: Right. What I'm curious about is, I understand the teaching, God is, God is, God is. And even in the unknown, and everywhere you look, God is there. There's not a place where you look where God isn't. That's an aspect of it. Then there are what appear to be forces that are intentionally... And these forces can be embodied, but I'm particularly interested in the non-embodied versions of these forces. Forces that are seeming to be intentionally creating more separation, intentionally creating a denial of the divine, intentionally trying to debase and kind of demoralize our understanding of our truth and corrupt our innocence in a certain way. Maybe you or the guides, what are the thoughts about these darker forces that are working against our recognition of who we really are, what we are, how we serve? Because there is a seemingly antagonistic force. And I suppose there's also another way that you could look at it from the highest, highest perspective where the darkness serves the light. But there are forces that are trying to corrupt our innocence and push us further into separation and deny the divine that are out there, that seem both incarnate and also outside of incarnated presence.
PAUL: Well, they don't talk about other forces. They do talk about the action of fear. And they talk about fear as a strata of vibration, which I assume would be encompassing of this. When they say the action of fear is to claim more fear, which is what they've always said, you're speaking to this. Fear seeks to replicate itself like cancer. And every choice any one of us makes in fear, they say will get us more of the same. And at the collective level, when we're all invited to be in fear, then you have the residual effect of that at a very large scale. I understand something that I didn't about this. They said, finally, they said fear isn't wise, fear doesn't really transcend. Fear actually kind of can't go past its own baseline. It's clever, perhaps, but it's not wise. And so, you move to a level where you're no longer choosing and aligning from that. Does that mean it's no longer there? I don't know, that means that it's no longer there. I think it stops becoming active like anything else. I mean, I stopped drinking when I was 25. I think it'd be a bad idea if I started again. But I'm no longer activating an addiction by not imbibing the thing that's going to take me down that road. So, I'll ask the guides about this. But where I get cautious is that people sometimes like to dine out on the dark stuff, because it's sexy, and it's... I don't know that that necessarily gets us a lot back. Because the idea of being a warrior concerns me sometimes, because a warrior needs a battle and needs a war. And I think that things can be transformed in other ways. I'm not negating the fact that people take action at different levels. And at different times, different kinds of action are required and necessary. So let me go to them quickly.
AUBREY: Before you do, I just want to comment on this fear, because I had a very profound revelation that's right in alignment with that. I was doing Ayahuasca recently. And in the Ayahuasca journey, of course, this is a big part of my path, the plant medicine path, and that's my way to be able to connect, and I actually encountered the entity of fear, kind of this amorphous entity of fear. It was capital ‘F’, Fear itself. I could feel Fear trying to scare me as a recruitment tactic to get me to join it. It was like a conversion. It was like the fear of ‘Jehovah's Witness’, like, let me get you afraid so you can join in my fear. And I had to stand. It was showing me lots of scary things. As clever as it could to show me things to get me to be afraid. And I just looked at Fear, eyes, my third eye, of course, my eyes are closed, but my third eye unblinking and said, "I'm not afraid, I will not join you.". It was a very powerful moment. And, I think that speaks to this fear energy. I have a visceral understanding. Again, I know that in my body now, and everything that the guides have been saying about fear seeks to replicate itself, fear wants to claim more... It was trying to actually convert me. It was trying to convert me to the religion of fear in my body to get me to be afraid so I could join it. And so, I understand that. Then what I'm curious about, though, so this is the point for the guides is... And I'm not saying that the logical conclusion of this curiosity is that the warrior must come in and fight it. But there seems to be something beyond fear, which is intentional malice. Intentional malice. That's what I'm curious about.
PAUL: When they've taken on the subject of evil, that's how they've described it pretty much. It's the intent to do harm. It is the intent. Now, the challenging thing is, for me, they say all things are of God, but they're operating at different levels of tone. They talk about octaves. The lowest octave is still part of the whole, but it's just having a different expression. That doesn't mean that it's a good thing. It just means that you can't... I don't know that you can separate it or exercise it. You have to reclaim it and lift it, and it's a challenging thing for me. But, let me go and see if they want to jump in on this in some way.
AUBREY: Okay, great.
PAUL: For me and I whisper and repeat, and it's awkward as can be, but it's how it happened. They're saying the idea of fear is what needs to be addressed, and the idea of who you think you are emblazoned by fear is what is being addressed. Now, it is what is being addressed now at a mutual level, at a communal level, at a large level. The truth of who you are, the divine self if you wish, does not abide in fear. And in fact, the upper room is not a place of fear. The tone cannot be played here. Your experience in the common field of what you know of as fear is actually a collective agreement that can and will be moved beyond when you see the futility of it. If you look at this as a battle, you will be fighting forever. If you look at it as a low strata of choice and vibration, you can remedy it or align it to the higher. Now, when light shines upon the darkness, the need for the darkness may be understood. When you stop requiring to be the winner of the cost, at the cost of somebody, you may transcend even the idea of war. The action of fear, the urge to create more fear is understood. But you're all participatory of this. And when you look at this as a villain seeking to conform, or convert you to feel actually empowered even more, you're actually empowered even more. It's an idea that has taken shape, and the idea of fear is finally all you grapple with. When the idea of fear is released, enacting it is released as well. And that's what you're on the cusp of.
AUBREY: I'm in full, full alignment to that. With all respect to the guides in their wisdom and their brilliance and you, I still feel a little bit unresolved with there being... Intentional malice does not necessarily, in my understanding, require fear. Because you could intend malice from a place, not that it's afraid. There's one way that I'm afraid, let me go take this from you, because I'm afraid. I'm afraid, let me go kill you because I'm afraid, and I get that. I get that. I'm talking about a different, which is like, I'm not afraid, and I'm not using me personally, but I'm just saying like a being... I'm not afraid, I'm just trying to fuck this thing up intentionally, and it can be... So the evil that's devoid of fear.
PAUL: They haven't talked about that. But what they say is, that the only problem that humanity really has is what they call the denial of the divine. And that would be an example of that, that's it. But that's our creation, they say. That's our responsibility. Now, do I think that there are parasitic energies that we can get attached to and screw with us? Yeah, I do, they're not nice, they're low level things, and I think they need to be reclaimed in a higher way. It's a hard one for me, I am a child of a Holocaust survivor. My father was in the Kinder transport and sent to England. I mean, there are things that I can't rationalize, kinds of cruelty that we enforce upon each other. And what's even harder for me to understand is that we're all oddly party to these things, the collective agreement to what we've accepted, and what is acceptable must be understood as something that we're complicit with. So, let me go back to the guides on the action of fear as sort of... Or the action of cruelty or malice. See if they want to say this. The intention to harm is always the action of fear whether or not you give it another name. All the idea of a sin is, if you wish to use that term, is of the divine. Cruelty itself as enactment of fear, it's the aggression of fear, or seeking to become fearful, or to be as harmed. The denial of the divine can be understood in many ways. The aspect of you who knows who he is. The true self, if you wish, is not capable of that. It would not induce the suffering of another through its intention. The low level of alignment that you're all party to presents this as an opportunity, and it's a disfigurement in some ways of your true nature. The truth of innocence is that the truth of you is actually loved, and is in love. The distortions you speak to which can become empowered or fueled by hatred, which is also born in fear or the negation of the divine, must be understood as a creation of humanity. But you are moving beyond, and you know you must do this to maintain the species.
AUBREY: Yeah, that makes more sense, because then it's, okay, there's two buckets. One is fear, and one is the denial of the divine. Either way, one or both of those are inaction when you see something like malice actually out in the world. It's the denial of the divine and fear or. That makes a lot of sense. I don't have it exactly here, but I know I have a quote from you in front of me in one of these many quotes that I pulled. But, fundamentally, the idea that if you are in the upper room, you would never actually harm anybody, because you see yourself as connected to the source field, you see yourself and everybody else as another expression of life. And so, as you see yourself as a part of life, there is no pleasure in harming another because you realize that you're harming yourself. So, it can't really work. It's necessary to be in the delusion of the myth of separation.
PAUL: And, it's seductive. I mean, it's seductive, the desire to be special, the desire to maintain a sense of separation, the desire to win at the cost of somebody losing. Now, the guides have said self-righteousness is always the small self, it's always the personality self. Because the true self or the divine self isn't in that game. It doesn't have an ax to grind in the same way. But, it's a challenge. I know it's a challenge for me. But, I do know that for me, the level of fear that I used to live in is not present. Things are still tainted by it, I suspect. But I'm not the kid that I was in a lot of ways. I've grown through that, and I'm grateful for it.
AUBREY: Yeah. I mean, I've also since the last time we spoke, I've had some profound psychonautic experiences. I mentioned one vignette from an Ayahuasca journey. One of the passages that you have in the book really reminded me of a very distinct moment that I had. And so, I'm going to read the passage. On this day, I choose to allow the manifest divine, the truth of who I really am to claim me in fullness, imparting its wisdom, imparting its joy, its awareness of source, to be my teacher, to be my ally, to be my expression in fullness of being. As I say yes to this, I allow this merging. As I say yes to this, I agree to this manifestation. As I say yes to this, I say yes to God as all that is, and can be. I am word through this intention. Word I am word. So, in that, there was a very profound moment where I have distinct contact with what I would call my... You could just call it my soul. It seems to have a star origin, and I want to get into that as well, because it's part of my own cosmology. I could call it my star cell for my soul. It's almost like an oversoul, where Aubrey is just one of the lives this oversoul has lived. And, I felt that soul come in, and say to me, "Aubrey," say, "I'm coming in." And I go, "Okay." And it goes, "Are you sure?" Like, are you sure you want me to come in? And I was like, "Yeah, I'm sure." It asked like three times, it was like, "Are you really sure that you want me to come in?" And I was like, "Yeah, I'm really sure." It's been a time of some difficulty for me in this stretch, and that force kind of came in, and it gave me a deep sense of peace. It also was able to really disentangle me from fear and allow me to navigate, and see things from a very, almost white light clarity. But it was very precise. It didn't have the kind of warmth that Aubrey does. Aubrey has a very golden light energy, a very warm... This was much like, nope, this is how it is. It was no denial of the divine, absolutely not. No badness. But it was very, very efficient. It was very efficient, this is what needs to happen. It was very interesting how that force has been stronger and stronger in me. And it seems like I've been able to merge that with myself in a greater way. It's now kind of always present. But, I'm also able to still drop back into Aubrey and get in all my fields too.
PAUL: Yeah, I think that's a lot of ways what the guides are teaching. I mean, the experience that you're describing is comparable. When I was younger, when I was in my, maybe, early 30s, and I was first starting to channel, I used to feel like I had a tin can up to my year on a string, and I would just hope somebody would talk into the other tin can. Because I was really worried people would gather and I wouldn't be able to hear. And, I was a wreck about this, almost every week, because I didn't understand any of how it worked. And then eventually, one day, they said before a group, "Do we have permission to merge?" And it was a very similar experience. From then on, it's just like turning a dial to that other voice. It's not like I have to reach elsewhere. And when the guides step into me and they work one on one with people at times, it's extraordinary. The feeling is extraordinary. And, there's deep compassion and deep love and a kind of neutrality, I think.n
AUBREY: A neutrality, exactly. Exactly. That's what's interesting about it.
PAUL: Really interesting. And it's divine neutral is what I call it. It's neither good nor bad. It just is. It just is. And it is without the old agenda, and it is without my personality chiming in and saying, you better be careful what you do or say, or how it's seen, or all those things. It just is. And, it's an extraordinary experience. They say, and that's really what they're teaching now, I think in “The Book of Innocence” in the one they just completed, is, how that's maintained, how you operate at that level. And, as you said, it doesn't come at the cost of what you enjoy, or who you spend your time with, or what you love. But they said, one of the very first things they ever said to me, and I might have told this to you before, years ago. I was very young and just opening up and very confused by it all. I heard freedom will come when the throne relinquishes its king. And I thought, "What the hell does that mean?". But it basically is who's running the show? Who sits on the throne. And they say, the personality has its place. But our confusion is, we think it's the king. We think of gold structures running everything, and it need not. So I think what you're talking about is just what they're speaking to.
AUBREY: Yeah, it's almost the hollowing out experience I've had. It's like a hollowing out. But I still have the full costume of the personality self, and it's always with me, and it's always one just a little shift away, and I can step fully into the... And the beautiful parts of it are always there as well. But it's like, there's a hollowing out of my attachment to that as being who I am. It's been a really beautiful process, but also created a lot of massive kinds of disruption in relationships and everything in my life as well, because it's a different thing. I'm not the same person that I exactly thought I was. I'm something that includes and transcends that person.
PAUL: Yeah. I get it. In the book that they just dictated, they actually use the metaphor a lot of becoming, like a flute, or an instrument that's been hollowed out so that God or source can play through it. And that's really what the work is, I think. They don't talk about it as the work. I think of it as the work. But in an earlier book, they brought everybody to the upper room, and they said the claim is, “I have come, I have come, I have come”. And they said it's the divine self or the monad that announces this. But, they also said, get ready for the shit to fly because basically every aspect of you that's been held in darkness, or we want to repress or suppress needs to be renown and reseen, and reclaimed. Reclamation is really the key. You can call it redemption if you want, although that's a word that's been, I think, misappropriated in some ways. But they say, the divine self or the true self, or the Christ itself, whatever you want to call it, is capable of reclaiming all of this and will. As you said early on when you were asked, is this okay? Or, can I merge? About the merging, that I understand too is essential. Because I think we do have free will. The guides always ask, they don't override free will. They really don't. They respect it. I have often said, if I want to walk into traffic, they're going to let me. If I say, "Is this a good time to cross the street?" They might say “not wise”. If you want to kill yourself, you can, but it's really not going to be what you want. And I trust that now.
AUBREY: This brings up a very important point where I feel a little stuck. So, where I feel a little stuck is, I felt my faith in the divine growing exponentially. I see signs everywhere, I feel the divine with me, I hear the whispers. Not in the same way that you do, but I hear them in my body. I hear them somatically, and ideas and thoughts and knowing of things. And then, I also have a deep respect and recognition for freewill and the choices that people can make. So, oftentimes, I will have a deep sense of, oh, this is the possibility that's being presented. And then, I will witness somebody make a choice to close down that possibility. I see that in the smaller scale, in the micro, but I also recognize that in the macro. And so, it starts to affect my faith in a certain way because I'm like, well, God, I understand. I understand what your desire is, and I have faith in you so much. I also know that you're granting freewill. So where my faith starts to lapse is, I guess, it's faith in people to choose the higher octave expression. And so, that's where my faith gets challenged. So when I'm like, do you have faith in the world? Yes, because I have faith in God. But then I sometimes go, well, fuck, but how much faith do I have in people to be willing to choose the action of the divine moving through them?
PAUL: Well, I understand everything that you're saying. I have given up on trying to tell people what to do. I really don't, I'm not interested. The guides don't tell people what to do either. They offer choice, and we can take them. They talk a lot about will in their work. They talk about it as a braiding of the will. Coming from some of us, perhaps, I mean, I was raised sort of an atheist, but this idea of thy will not mine be done as if there are polarities here. And, I think where they're taking us is to a unified will, or the divine self, or the true self comprehends the needs of the small. The two wills sort of braid. And, I understand that the higher will begins to claim itself in fullness, but not at the cost of the old, and so, respect, I think of the individual. It's not about abandoning self. It's about allowing self to be known and to be met. So, the question then is, how does the world change if nobody wants to choose the higher? Now, what the guides teach now which is challenging as hell, and I'm understanding it because it's where they've been going throughout all the books, and I just didn't really know where they were going, is moving to a level of alignment where you become in some ways, a transistor or a broadcast of the higher. An entrainment or vibrational accord is what begins to alter what you encounter. They talk about the title of a book, the 12th book which is the last of these teachings. I understand, there's other stuff they want to talk about later, is a world made new. They're really talking about how this occurs at the level of the individual and the collective. It's an enormous transition and a very ungraceful one, I think, because we're so moored into what we've known. What they say, when a seed sprouts from the earth, it moves the earth around it. There's always disruption. So, I'm going to go to your question with them if I can, and see if they respond how do you address the lack of high choice. Well, your choosing for yourself and how you embody actually elicits a comparable response, even if the response is resistance from those you encounter. When you are becoming the light, you are shining upon that which does not wish to be shined on, and it will revolt, and then remedy itself because finally it understands that the way forward is not back into the darkness, even though they had been entrained to. Now, what you're discovering is that people aren't going to do what you want, and you release the outcome or the idea that they should. You will find less resistance. In fact, the ways are being paved in different paths, perhaps to align to a higher template. The higher template is the upper room, or if you prefer, the octave above the one you have known, and there are things that do not exist there. Our ways of expressing through hatred and fear that are not aligned and will disperse. This will take several generations to manifest fully. But the ongoing process is present, people are waking up. You are experiencing resistance. Some do not want to get out of bed. They need to be tossed out of it. They will incur that when it's required.
AUBREY: Yeah, I think that piece of guidance that I'm getting from that is to release the expectation of outcome. Even if I can feel that there is a higher choice available, there's dinner, there's a feast being served in the upper room. And, I'm like, if y'all just climb the stairs, there's a whole feast, and you're eating scraps down here in the living room. It's like, "Come on, let's go. Upper room, come on." But it's also, like, that kind of desire and expectation may actually prevent them from wanting to just walk up to the upper room on their own accord.
PAUL: People don't trust that they have a right to go there, and they don't want to be disappointed. And I think there are reasons for that. The third book I think that the guides dictated through me was called "The Book of Knowing and Worth". And they talked about this sort of collective belief we have, and we've gotten foisted on by religion, which is that we're basically sinful and not worthy, which is not true. They're all saying, you're claiming your inheritance here, this is your true inheritance. It's yours to claim but we don't know that we're allowed. And, also, sometimes people think you're not going to have any fun if you do this, or you're not going to get what you want. That's usually what you think you want. The guides have said--
AUBREY: Let me just clear that up. For anybody who thinks you're not going to have fun as... I'm having a lot of fun. All the fun is still on the table. I had that same fear, remember? We could rewind the tape three years ago, I'd be like, but I'm worried it won't be as much fun. Maybe sex won't be as much fun, maybe playing basketball won't be as much fun. Oh, it's more fun. The more that I'm able to go to the upper room, the more fun it is. Basketball and sex are more fun in the upper room. Straight up. I can testify, like an inspired Baptist preacher, like, "It is more fun up in the upper room." It is for sure.
PAUL: You're present for it. And also, I suspect what begins to happen is that the innate holiness, for lack of a better word of all of these things becomes part of your experience. And now, the guides are teaching, they're really getting into this now, is that the senses are amplified and changed. We've been operating at a very, very limited capacity. Plant medicine hasn't been part of my journey, and I'm fascinated by it. It's just not been part of my journey. But I understand that people, when they are working with the guided staff often have experience that's comparable. They're seeing this stuff, they're seeing the energy, they're feeling it, and I'm very happy for that. But I think that we have this innate ability to, I'll just call it see God. But seeing God isn't some guy in a cloud. It's everything experienced. It's funny, because I take dictation for these things. I'm not always the best student, but I'm better than I used to be by a lot. But, I just was sitting outside today, and I started basically blessing the tree, this big tree in my yard that I just take for granted. And, I felt the energy of the tree just pouring back at me. And I'm like, this is what they're talking about. The guides have always said, what you bless, bless you in return. And they say what a blessing is, is the claiming of the inherent divine. They always say inherent divine where it has been denied. You're seeing the divine, it must be there in the fabric of all manifestations, like it or not, agree with it or not. That doesn't mean you're blessing somebody's poor conduct or hard acts, but you perhaps are seeing the inherent of mind in that human being where he or she has most denied it. And then is enacting that denial which changes people. That's real--
AUBREY: Yeah, I mean, I think actually you can bless an act made in separation, but you still, you don't excuse it necessarily.
PAUL: Exactly, you're not condoning it, but you're--
AUBREY: Condoning is the right word, yeah.
PAUL: Yeah, you're not condoning it. You're claiming the presence of the divine where it's been denied. I mean, they're really simple teachings. The guides say, what you damn, damns your back.
AUBREY: What you bless, blesses you back.
PAUL: The funny thing is, you can feel it.
AUBREY: Yeah, absolutely.
PAUL: You can feel the energy come back. The guides, when they first started teaching, used to call the echo. They'd have their students go outside, stand like 20 feet apart and claim the inherent divine in the body of the partner 20 feet away. And the energy field of the partner would just sort of... It was like a bell ringing. You just feel the peals of energy or the waves of energy coming. And, I think these things are available to us far more than we know. Part of the reason we don't walk around experiencing them is that we haven't been told we're allowed to. We're not supposed to, or you can't, or there's something to be fearful of. I mean, perhaps, for many people, plant medicine is opening up the roof that was in limitation and allowing other things. For me, it's been this strange work, which I still don't know how it happened for me.
AUBREY: Yeah, for sure. All right, I have a couple of things, a couple of queries that are not exactly on the same thread, but I want to talk about them. Because I was with my best friend, he was playing a football game, and everything was lined up. He poured his heart into it, he's out there. For those of you who don't know, my friend is Aaron Rodgers. He's the quarterback for the New York Jets. He was out there, and it was about to be this... It's a heroic story that was laid out. Fourth play of the game, he gets an Achilles rupture, which is a very serious injury. It was devastating, it was absolutely devastating. When I was talking to him, my idea was, well, there's a couple of ways to look at this. One, this is divine providence, and we just don't know it yet. And, part of that is our choice, to make sure that it's divine providence by the actions that we take following it. Another part is, this could be some snake bite from what I believe, that there are forces that are in resistance to us, could have been a snake bite of a certain sort. Or, it could have just been, maybe there's just chaos built into... And, randomness. Chaos and randomness. So, my real question is not necessarily about divine providence or the dark force, we've covered that. But my question is, what is the play of chaos and randomness in our world?
PAUL: I'm going to go to them with this, because I'm confused by this at a personal level. I live on Maui, and there was devastation on this island recently. Let me just see what they want to say, and if they want to take this. They're saying we would like to. Chaos is an adjective, a way of describing the things that you cannot understand. Finally, there is divine order. Indeed, things happen that would not be chosen, and perhaps they are accidents, or under things that are understood later as having meaning that are incomprehensible at the time that they occurred. You're looking at your lives in very small ways, not in a continuum of life as a whole, but in the immediacy of your personal circumstances. Now, when one is injured, there may be varying reasons for an injury. The one driving the car may have been driving well, and hit from behind. The one hit from behind may indeed be injured. You can look at this chaotic, or finally, we suggest as an opportunity for something new to be comprehended or understood. The reliability of your temporary reality as you understand it, is being accosted these days. What you thought would be there tomorrow is not there tomorrow. The person you thought you loved who would not leave may be going elsewhere. Institutions are failing, structures are falling. There is chaos as part of the change that you're incurring. When you pull back enough and bear witness to a life, you will understand the meaning. You may not like the meaning, we are not saying people deserve or choose what they get if there is calamity. Something leaves a match in the ground, the house may burn. Somebody doesn't forget to turn off the oven, there will be a problem. These things can be seen as accidents, some of them are. They can be seen as nefarious, perhaps some of them are. If the one driving the car was intending to hit the person before them, you may call that evil or aggressive act. You would not be wrong. But, finally, we suggest at the end of a lifetime, you'll have comprehension about what real meaning is, what the opportunity was, how the soul was engaging, and what benefit there might be from re-seeing it now. It is very hard to perceive eternity when you're focused on what happened yesterday, or what you think tomorrow should be. But you do know that every moment is eternity, and time itself is how you abdicate your soul's authority to a situation.
AUBREY: Beautiful wisdom there. It's only chaos from our perspective, but from the perspective of the eternal, there is a divine order that can be seen. There's another purview that we may never get access to. Not in our current embodied existence, but that makes a lot of sense.
PAUL: Yeah, I'll say, I didn't know, Ram Dass. I'm part of the Sad Song that was developed at his house. They're lovely people, and they're my friends. Some of the kids who were caregiving Ram Dass became my good friends, and would tell me stories. A lot of it was really about how he grew after the stroke, and how his spiritual teachings became embodied for him at a personal level, after he lost some of the ability of his body and speech, which I found extraordinary. I mean, I'm not there. I may never be there. But I think how we can opportunize everything as something to be learned from or changed with, I think is crucial to our not claiming victimhood as identity. There are times when people are victimized. I'm not saying that that doesn't happen. But I am saying that when that becomes one's identity, one will accrue more and more evidence of the same and that's how we work.
AUBREY: This reminds me of a Toltec teaching that I first encountered from Carlos Castaneda, but it's been reified through, and reinforced through Don Miguel Ruiz and some of the other Toltec Masters is, for the ordinary person, everything is a blessing or a curse. But for the nagual, or for the master or for the warrior, they use warrior. Nagual is kind of a master for them. There are only challenges for the nagual, there are only challenges. And, every challenge is an opportunity. Then there's an opportunity that arises in a whole path that develops of opportunity on the other side of that. That seems to be just a very sound principle to have, is to not say, that this thing that happened is bad or good because you don't know yet. So, it's just like, well, we're going to find out. And through my act of will, through my act of intent, which is another deep Toltec teaching. Through my active intent, I'm going to make sure that this has a deep and powerful meaning. Ram Dass made the choice when he couldn't speak because of his aphasia, he's like, "Well, now I'm going to live more in my heart." And that was a choice to give that meaning. That's what you're referring to is that there's always the choice. No matter what happens, there's the choice of how we respond to it. Yeah. All right, we're in an interesting time as well in the collective. And this is again, another one of these questions that I've been eager to see if the guides wanted to weigh in on. There's been a massive movement towards disclosure of what is now called unidentified anomalous phenomena, UAPs. Used to be called UFOs, now it's called UAPs. There's been a lot of testimony from different people in different naval sources, military sources, intelligence sources who have now, because the Whistleblower Act has been lifted, they've been free to actually testify, that they have whole hosts of unidentified anomalous phenomenon. They actually have recovered crafts, this is the testimony. Recovered crafts and what they say are biologics. And, we're now at this time where this is becoming more generally accepted and seems to be escalating, that we're actually starting to see ourselves and our lives as connected to, call it the Galactic Federation or the star nations or other beings beyond the planet. And it seems like this is somehow playing some role in this time of transition that we're in right now. It seems to be a hell of a coincidence that this is all coming out also at this deep time of transition. So, just curious to see if the guides which are, they are an anomalous phenomenon, right? I mean, Melchizedek is itself an anomalous phenomenon. Doesn't show up in crafts all the time. Maybe it does sometimes, I don't know. Do they have any guidance? Have they talked about this phenomenon that's kind of happening?
PAUL: Not so much, really. I mean, surprisingly not in some ways, but at the same time, it feels like a benevolent nod to what's happening. Like, of course, is what I would suggest. That would be the response they've had. They rarely bring it up. The very first time I did a book signing at the old Bodhi Tree in Los Angeles, there were like five people there. Somebody raised their hand in the second row and they said something like, "This sounds like those evil aliens at the... What did the guides say about the evil aliens?" They piped right in and said, "Isn't it bad enough that you can't get along here, you have to vilify the rest of the universe?" That was their response, and then they shut up. And I thought, well, that's a good way to address it. So, let me see if they want to say anything. The idea that there is life elsewhere is no surprise. How you attend to it, and how gracefully you can attend to it will be the surprise. In fact, you have been prepared for this for many years. The idea of life resembling you or even resembling form which need not be formed, but maybe an idea of form that you utilize it so present now in the energy field of the planet, that you are aligning to the possibilities that things are not what you think or what you should have them be through prior concede. What is occurring now is a reestablishment of humanity as species. You have forgotten species, you think in terms of race, religion, or country. You do not think of species. And until you understand that you are one, you will be contending with malice, creating feud and fire that you must decide means something other than the intent behind it. If you want a war, you can war. When you know you're warring with your brother, you will not war, period.
AUBREY: Yeah, yeah. I think this is the time to start, I see us, the necessity for us to come together as representatives of planet Earth, the species of humans representing Gaia Sophia, this planet's highest manifestation of life so far. And so, it's an interesting moment that I think has a lot more potential beauty to it than fear. But of course, people may take it as a fearful thing, but I really think that's the wrong way to look at it.
PAUL: I think if people are looking for somebody to hate, you can find somebody, and you can find it in any form. If you want that, you can find it. I had a mentor years ago, she was a wonderful old time medium. She said to me that humanity's progress is actually being monitored by other systems, because everything is trying to move forward and we're holding it back. Being stuck in the mud and stuck in our ways is actually preventing everything from going forward. I understand that that's what's happening now, and I think it's a positive. I really do.
AUBREY: Yeah, I agree. I agree. Now, here's another thing that's kind of becoming very present, and this is the proliferation of artificial intelligence. Of course, people are approaching this in similar ways. Some people with extreme fear, some people with extreme excitement, but it is undoubtedly, a disruptive force. So, have the guides weighed in on this artificial intelligence kind of topic that's intending.
PAUL: Only once, and it was a number of years ago. It was in a podcast with Duncan Trussell, actually.
AUBREY: I remember that.
PAUL: And he asked the guys, I barely knew what it was. But the guides said, I think the questions will be overtaken. They said, no, because artificial intelligence does not love. And that's going to be what I guess saves us. I'd have to go back and listen to the interview. But I was surprised that they said that, and at the time, it made sense, and I'm sure they said it better than I just did. What I hear is, it's how you choose to work with it. It's how you choose to address the opportunity. The faction that will try to use it for rule will try, and I hear it will not succeed, and it cannot, finally. This has to do, and they've been speaking about this more in the last couple of years than ever, and I don't know what I think of it. Because I was basically hearing humanity will not allow it. But they talk about humanity at times as almost having a collective soul, the species having a soul mind. And they said, you've come to a realization that if you keep going the way you're going, you're going to blow yourselves up. And you're not going to allow that finally, you know that, and that's why everybody's sort of moving away and moving forward towards this new ideal.
AUBREY: Yeah, no, that makes sense. So, the guide, Melchizedek, is still the preferred name that they like to be... They don't really like names very much, it seems like.
PAUL: I don't think they care. I mean, they are called the guide because my ex used to say, ask the guides this, ask the guides that. So, they landed with it. I was just speaking at a conference, Paul and The Guides, I thought, well, that's funny. Everybody else, the title of who they channel. They've said if you wish to call us something, you can call us Melchizedek. But they've also said, and I prefer this one, they said we are who you become when you know who you are. Other times they've called themselves the true self, and that's Christ. That's the Christ consciousness, the divine self, or the true self. And I understand this all as a level of consciousness. There's one that I've seen, and I've seen him a few times, and he's remarkable to see. And, for the most part, my experience is auditory or clairaudience. It's something that pushes all the other thoughts away. When I'm speaking with you, I'm still present. When I'm channeling a book, I'm far more receded, right into the backseat, and I stay there until the lecture is over. They're saying, Melchizedek is fine.
AUBREY: Well, I'm curious. I have a second question, I'm interested in this. There are different slight tones of dictation, words. One particular expression of the guides, which is a collective voice, uses the words "My dears" or something like that? It's a very kind of affectionate term. And then, you said, you've also seen one of them. So they can almost merge as a collective consciousness, but then also split and have unique identities. If you were to ask that one that you see that appears as separate, but also connected, because they're deeply connected with the field of course, do you have a name? If you were to ask that one, do you have a name, would there be a separate name than Melchizedek? Like oh, no, I am so and so.
PAUL: Melchizedek is the title, and the origin of the teaching. This is Melchizedek as espoused through these teachings. We are as the priesthood, and the being you know of as Melchizedek is too large to be brought through fully and channel. So it's caught in the discussion as it can be led. In other words, the vibration of the teaching is Melchizedek, and Melchizedek as priesthood. The two work concurrently. So, the one that I saw, actually, I was getting hypnotized by somebody, and I thought it was going to be something other, and then halfway through the session, he said, "Now your guide is going to come in." I'm going, "Oh, that's not going to happen." And he did. I've seen him three times, and always a version of the same. But he has pale blue eyes. I've been told my eyes often turn pale blue when they're really through full blast. And the hat that he was wearing was almost like a Greek Orthodox. It was very tall, and had a bit of a pancake at the top, something at the top. And a robe and a long, long beard. But he was holding a scepter. The scepter had gold embossed hieroglyphics on it. He was sitting beside me, and I heard, it was all telepathic. And he said, "This is what we use to attune people." I had recently been channeling and walking around with my hands like this, not knowing what I was doing. He was explaining what was going on. I was holding the scepter, he was holding this after. I was once at a conference at Esselin with some anthropologist who was saying, "How do you know it's not you? How do you know?" And I'm going, "Well, I guess I don't. I just know that I can't close my eyes and dictate." I don't know how many books there were at that time that don't need any editing. Because none of the books are edited, they're just transcriptions. Then I went to this other meditation that this woman was running, because I was going to be a nice participant and go to the other person's meditation. And I'm feeling crappy about this conversation with the anthropologist. This woman is doing this endless guided visualization. Now you're walking down a hill, and there's a ravine and there's a stream. I'm going, "Get me out of this thing." Finally, I'm at the bottom of this hill, the bottom in this gorge. This woman says, "And now your guide is going to come through," and I'm going, "Yeah, right." And I saw the same guy that I saw with a big hat and a big beard tumbling down the hill, holding two... Whatever, the Torah or something. These two huge scrolls, barreling down the hill. And he said to me, "Stop trying to tell people who you are, you don't know." And he went right back up the hill. And I thought that was great. Stop trying to explain to people because I'd been trying to explain the work to somebody who wasn't going to go there. I love that one, that felt great. He was fun, and there was joy. And other times I've seen them in a library. Huge, huge, huge, vast library.
AUBREY: That's beautiful. I've started to work with sacred objects in my own practice as well to understand that these objects may have a physical representation, but I don't use them in the physical, I use them in the extra dimensional realms beyond. So, this scepter of attunement, you could call it, is like one of your sacred objects that you use, and you find yourself holding it. It's been a powerful tool for my own psychonautic journey. So it's cool to hear you say that, that these sacred objects go all the way up, and all the way down. But ultimately, my question for Melchizedek, and potentially your specific guide, and whoever one wanted to speak on it is, what I sense is, is that, and many of them have taken bodies before and it's possible that they could take bodies again, presumably. If they were to take bodies again, what I'm curious about is, one of the things that I see transforming is the nature of relationship itself. Relationship, speaking romantically, which is the typical dyadic monogamous relationship container. But also, the relationship amongst, what you could call tribe, like your soul pod or your crew. What I see is a future reality where things are shared amongst those who you trust and resonate and vibrate with in a much different way. I guess my curious question is, if these beings were to come in, would they look around and go, oh, no, we've got to reimagine some of these structures of relationship that kind of abide not in the myth of separation, because you talk about that a little bit in this. I will become the one who chooses what he gets at the cost of another's desires. In other words, the belief that you will be controlled by another's love or desire for you is a way to prove separation. So, it feels like they're pointing towards a new evolution in the future of relationships.
PAUL: I get that that's accurate. The idea of who you are reinforces separation. Even if you bond with another, you decide yourselves as separate. We are separate from the one next to us. You can have intimacy and deep knowing and sharing without the systems that would replicate separation. What does this look like, he asked. It looks like love without the requirement of contract or sanctification from an institution, period.
AUBREY: Yeah, also it's the complication of greater contact with the upper room version of myself. It's like, oh, contracts, contracts that define separation. My soul being is like, it's fine, do what you want. Whatever you want is cool. There's no force or no pressure, but it's wearing a sweater that it doesn't really like to wear. It's like, I'll wear it, but I don't like this Christmas sweater. I'm Jewish, or whatever. I'll wear it, but it doesn't exactly suit the essence that I'm certainly feeling.
PAUL: I don't know what I think. They don't knock marriage as an institution. They're all for commitment. I think where they seem to have some concern is the idea of the contracts that they say are primarily financially based and fear based. If you're my partner, you're not going to have sex with somebody else. If you're my partner, all of the agreements that might be implicit. Now, those are things that people can choose. You can choose those things. But if they're not chosen in integrity, I don't know if they're necessarily going to last, or are going to be healthy.
AUBREY: If they're chosen in fear, they're bound with fear. So, then as you go to reclaim yourself as one outside of fear, those things have to be renowned, and can be rechosen out of love and devotion. Renown in a new way. But it seems like if fear was the formation of the contract, the contract needs to be renown in a new way. That seems to be the way that it's understanding. And it seems as the collective transforms. And I've been trying all different forms and ways and trying all of the different ways, but it seems like it's not only in romantic partnerships, but it's also in friendships. The guidance that keeps coming is merge the kingdoms, merge the kingdoms. If I have powerful allies, it's like, why do you have a bank account and a house that's not their bank account and house when you trust them with your life? You would literally go stand with them... And again, we're not trying to get into battles but using this as a metaphor. You would stand with them on any battle, face any storm. If you would go to the end of the earth, the end of infinity with this person, then why not merge the kingdoms, trust each other, develop a new level of connection amongst brothers, amongst sisters, amongst the chosen, the Hawaiian word is Ohana, your chosen family. That can include lovers, doesn't require lovers but includes that as well. But it's this collapse of separation as we understand relationship agreement between friends and lovers.
PAUL: I mean, I'm with you. I think if we begin to move towards a basis of community as something that needs to be aspired to, I think that that's an extraordinary thing. And I think we're probably going to have to. I was isolated in my life in many ways. I was a college teacher, I did my thing, I lived in Manhattan, I had my apartment. And, since I moved to Maui, I really began to learn about community because I was welcomed into one. It's been life changing for me what happens. Everything that you're describing is just love, it's what you do when you love somebody, and when you're not frightened of losing what you have. The idea that it takes something from us to care for somebody else, I think, is something that we need to look at carefully, individually. It's not always the case.
AUBREY: Right, right. There's another quote that I thought was really powerful from the book, the War Within the self, which is born in the denial of the divine is the basis of every war, every battle, and every act of violence that has ever occurred on this plane. Is there any guidance for when someone really knows they're at war in themself when they're toggling? Because we talk about toggling. Toggling from the upper room down to the lower room. The personality, small cell structure to the other room, and it feels like both of those things are at war. How does somebody practically help resolve that war?
PAUL: I hear forgiveness. That's the only key, which is really acceptance. Forgiveness and acceptance work hand in hand. The battle within the self is not remedied by seeking to distort or separate the self from the aspect of self that is so challenging. Nothing will be healed, until it is first accepted or at least seen and recognized as of God, period.
AUBREY: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. One more thing I want to touch on too, which is, I think the power of presence and being without action and doing is under indexed in its importance. And this is not something new in “The Book of Innocence”. This is something that's always been there. But, I was just hoping for you and if guides want to come in. But just talk about how, actually we over index the importance of doing and under index the importance of presence and being, and how someone being attuned to a higher vibrational field is itself an action that claims the higher field. And so, I think helping people understand that it's not always about what you do. So, what if you post and only 50 people see it. It doesn't make that less important. But if you're holding a sense of presence, that may be actually more important than someone posting to 50 million people but from a lower vibration. So, kind of reimagining for those people who are able to hold that higher state of presence and being, and reifying the value of that action.

PAUL: I thought that was going to be the title of “The Book of Innocence” was “Presence and Being” because they kept going back and back and back to that. And then they call it something entirely different. And I go, "Boy, this is going to be strange. I don't know what this is going to mean." In their earlier books, they bring through this attunement. I know who I am in truth, I know what I am in truth, I know how I serve in truth. The guides say how one serves is how one is most fully expressed as the true self. Now, people in our culture tend to think that that's what one does for a living, or how one shows up ready to work. And, I think those can be ways that we express but I don't think it's what they're necessarily talking about. They're talking about moving to a level of alignment with your own knowing, or the knowing of who you are. To know is to realize. And the guides have said the true self knows, and the small self thinks.
The guides have also said that once one knows, when you truly know you may be called to act from that place. If I truly know something, I'm actually probably going to be impelled to act upon that knowing in some way. But I don't think that we get to the action without knowing. Other than that, we're just doing the best we can, which is based on what we know. And all we know is what we've known prior. The personality self, they say, is entirely constructed through historical data. What we think it means to be a man or a woman or a teacher or this or that, and the times that we're born in, through cultural observance, how our families raised us, and what our teachers said, all those things. When the guides claim, I am free, I am free, I am free, they're talking about coming free of that level of entrainment or indoctrination in some ways to what we've expected, which I think operates as a ceiling that we're moving past. The ceiling is, to the upper room. I am free, I am free, I am free, I am in the upper room, which is the aspect of you that already abides there. People think that this is someplace you take a vacation at. But the guides say, the monad of the Divine Self, the God within you already expresses at that level of vibration and tone. And what you're doing in this teaching is transposing the music of the rest of you to play up there with the monad, and that is presence and being. The work of your hands, I don't think this is done through hard effort. I think there are things that are effortful, but I don't think the work of the guidance is effortful in that way. It's more about agreement. And in some ways, I suspect more about allowance and surrender, allowing the divine within you to call itself forward because you can't make God be God. God already is.
AUBREY: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Well, I would love to open up the space in the guide's divine intelligence for an attunement, or any other transmission or message that could serve the people listening to this show here.
PAUL: Let me see, let me just step out. We would like to address several things. First and foremost is identity or belief or belief that you are separate. The aspect of you who knows who it is knows itself in union always, and so, will always be in union. You don't conjure this, you align to it. The attunements we offer reclaim at a level of tone, each and every one to align you to your highest expression. Underline the word expression. It's how you demonstrate or facilitate the monad come as you, or the divine come as you. Its expression is what is being claimed here. Not the better idea of you or the more beneficial one. The true one, the aspect of you that truly knows. You may say these words after we speak them if you wish. I know who I am in truth.
AUBREY: I know who I am in truth.
PAUL: I know what I am in truth.
AUBREY: I know what I am in truth.
PAUL: I know how I serve in truth.
AUBREY: I know how I serve in truth.
PAUL: I am free, I am free, I am free.
AUBREY: I am free, I am free, I am free.
PAUL: I am in the upper room.
AUBREY: I am in the upper room.
PAUL: I have come, I have come, I have come.
AUBREY: I have come, I have come, I have come.
PAUL: Behold I make all things new.
AUBREY: Behold I make all things new.
PAUL: It will be so.
AUBREY: It will be so.
PAUL: God is, God is, God is.
AUBREY: God is, God is, God is.
PAUL: The experience of the teachings culminating in God is which is expression can now be understood, because aligning to what is always true. You don't make God God, you align to the source of all things, come as all things. You must understand that the source of all things is present. And that the denial of the divine which is the disfiguring of reality through the lens of separation can be reclaimed. The attunements align you to source, and in beneficial ways. The truth of your being indeed has come, will support the reclamation of the manifest world. That is the claim. Behold I make all things new. It will be so. The activation of the prior claim comes into form, as all things, and that is the final claim. God is, God is, God is.
AUBREY: I could feel a beautiful lifting from that transmission. It also points to a practicum. And then the practicum is to use that, and there's many of them that come in all of the teachings in your books. But that particular one seems to be, it seems to have built over the years in the many books, these 11 books and it's now culminating in that particular sequence. Of all of the attunements, it's the most powerful, because it's gone the farthest. Not to try and rank the attunements, but ultimately, it was just a beautiful experience for me to experience that and feel that in my own body, and just remind myself, if I find myself rummaging around in the basement, and I desire through my own will and choice to start to elevate myself, to use something like those attunements to bring myself back into the acknowledgement of who I really am.
PAUL: Yeah, they're there. The guides described them at different times as like notes on a piano. When all the notes are played in unison, you have a chord. And to be in accord, chord, is to move into the level of alignment of the claim. This seems to culminate in the claim God is, and I think they've taken us through them in sequence. Because we can only hold so much at a certain time. You bring too much light into a room where somebody has been sitting in the dark, they're going to run, or they'll blow their fuses. Too much electricity and the bulb will go bang. But I think we're being prepared for this in gradation, and the attunements people can work with on their own as they wish. It's there. They say it's language coated with vibration, it's always there.
AUBREY: Yeah. Paul, I love you, man.
PAUL: I love you too.
AUBREY: I really do. Yeah, you've been a great friend and ally, for me, for those that I love and of course for the world. It's just always a delight and pleasure to see your face and hopefully, we'll get to see each other in person again at some point along the path. I'm sure we will, and I'm looking forward to... These books keep coming. So, I look forward to getting my advanced copy of the next one as well, because I'm right there riding along with the teachings and charting my own path of how I'm able to align with them in the best way possible.
PAUL: Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
AUBREY: Yeah, you're welcome. And, thank you so much to everybody tuning in. The book is "The Book of Innocence" and it will be available everywhere books are sold. I highly recommend the audiobook version too, because when Paul's reading it, it's particularly powerful. He just reads the text, he doesn't actually have to whisper and repeat. It's a very smooth process in the audiobooks, so I highly recommend the audiobooks. They are fantastic. All right, so much love, Paul. So much love, everybody. Thank you.