Have we been asking the wrong questions throughout the pandemic? Have we been demonizing one virus, while encouraging another to spread? Dr. Zach Bush MD is one of the most revolutionary holistic medical doctors in the world, with expertise in the human organism, natural systems, and the spiritual cosmos. We talk about overcoming the fear and guilt paradigm that has dominated the human psyche for eons, the true evolutionary functions of viruses, and the dawn of a new era of human thriving never before seen on this planet. 

AUBREY: Zach, we just listened to a really powerful poem that came to me in my last Ayahuasca journey. And it gets me, man. It gets me. It's read by Caitlyn. And it's channeling the voice of the mother. You're someone who's really dedicated so much of your life to restoring the mother and the awareness of what she's able to bring. And when I say the mother, I mean earth. And now is the time. Now is the time. People need to remember. They need to remember their mother. 

ZACH: Yes. It's an amazing realization that there's not a need for new thought or new innovation for this new paradigm to unfold. It is remembering what you're talking about. And all of the knowledge field has always been there. The universe is complete in its knowledge field. And this relatively ethereal concept of human consciousness is not a thing, a lot like science is not a thing. Science has been thrown around a lot in the last couple of years as if it's like some sort of truth bank. Science is a process of observing. And consciousness, I think, is the same thing, where it's not a group of data that we can access, it's not a library of information. That library of information is beyond consciousness, it's in the fabric of the universe there. And the consciousness is simply the lens that we look through just as science might be the lens that we look through to understand the world that we live within, or who we are, why we're here, where we're going. 

AUBREY: In the process of turning science from the technique of asking questions and testing skeptically all of the hypotheses, which is what science is. When that became a religion where the majority opinion, the consensus opinion was now dogma, which has happened really recently, it's lost the very essence of itself, very much like religion, when it assumes dogma and it gets rigid, and it gets fixed, loses its way as a path to God. Science loses its way as a path to truth when it forgets the roots from whence it came. Science is here to find truth at all cost. Religion is here to find God at all cost. Fuck who does it. And if we forget that, we're in a dire situation. 

ZACH: Yeah, I think that's the schism that's happened in the psyche of humanity in a lot of ways is we have, through our dependence on human intellect, become agents of resistance. We resist change, which is not in line with mathematics of the universe, which is inherently change. We struggle at every level of our society because we keep this very firm hand on the effort towards control, the effort towards reducing change. And we do that through things like the concept of sovereignty shifting to dominion or ownership. Sovereignty is a state of abundance. A sovereign soul is always taken care of by the universe. And any Indigenous people that are practicing, there are thousands and thousands of years of traditional life experience. They wake up in the morning, they walk out into the forest and they collect what they'll have that day. There's no refrigerator nor storage bins. No need for because the forest will provide tomorrow again, as it has for 40,000 years in the Amazon. And so that's sovereignty, I believe. And when we miss took dominion or ownership for sovereignty, and we began to own things we lost the providence of nature. And that scarcity mentality now echoes through all layers of our society. And science, I believe, is very similar to that. As soon as we shift away from the open curiosity of the practice of science, towards one of fear of change, we lose our capacity to ask the right questions. And we start to become slow to morph and change our path. And I would say that there's a predictable pattern to this because, well, we've certainly, in my lifetime, the last two years has been an extraordinary example of scientific dogma, like rigidity that I couldn't have imagined. But that's echoed through history many times. 2,000 years ago, Pythagoras and these Greeks came up with some new math that demonstrated that, oh my god, the planet is not flat. The planet is actually a sphere. Was so disruptive to science that 2,000 years later, we still have a lot of debate. We have Flat Earth Society, still very active and holding that scientific belief that it is flat. And so we have these worlds coming into—

AUBREY: That's going to be a very losing proposition here, as we start to stratospherically and cosmically explore, and everybody can look at the curvature with their own eyes. It's going to be tough. 

ZACH: It's going to be tough. 

AUBREY: It's going to be tough to hold on to that one. 

ZACH: But it's a good example of the resistance to change. And it's interesting that the concept of the firmament, the heavens above earth, on a flat earth, was not just a scientific belief system, it was a religious belief system. So when Pythagoras came along, it was disruptive to Roman gods and everything else of like, wait, why aren't we falling off the planet? Made no sense spiritually. And then fast forward 1,400 years, and Galileo and his colleagues create the first telescopes there. And suddenly, in 1400, we had a very disruptive discovery of the earth was not still in space. And we thought that the firmament was spinning around us. To find out we were spinning around the sun, and the sun was swirling through a massive galaxy and billions of galaxies ultimately. So disruptive to science. And I think when you have those disruptive paradigm shifting discoveries, it leads to a clamping down of the narrative, the old narrative, because of the resistance to change that's natural to the scarcity mindset of humans. And so I think we're just in another one of those moments. And interestingly, this is biased because of my background. But I believe that the revolution that just happened in 2008, '10, that is fundamentally challenging our spirituality and our awareness of the science level is the discovery that the human cell is not at the center of human health. And it's so hard to wrap your head around this, because we've been studying for hundreds of years disease and the human body under microscopes, autopsies, everything else to understand cardiovascular disease, cancer and the like. And we had all these presumptions that this was a human cell phenomenon. With the revolution, not of the telescope, this time, but of the genomics and genetic sequencing coming out in the late 1990s accelerating into the early 2000s, by 2010, we had realized, oh my God, we're completely wrong about the human immune system. We're completely wrong about human biology as it functions as a regenerative process. Because the center of human health is actually a vast ecosystem of invisible microbes, viruses, parasites, protozoa, archaea, these incredibly rich ecosystems within us. And that's what determines not only your health, but literally, who do you emerge as today. 

AUBREY: Yeah. It's like the forest is inexorable from, I mean, the tree is inexorable from the forest. And it requires the entire ecosystem. It requires everything to actually exist and survive and thrive and the way that it can. Now you can take a tree out of a forest and plant it in a little thing in a park somewhere and water it the right way and fertilize it with your own stuff. But it's never going to thrive like a tree in the forest. It belongs as a part of that. And nor is a human, when you isolate each variable, and try to throw this chemical at it or throw this thing at each different cell. Sure, all right, it's going to do something but it's not going to thrive like it will when it's in a healthy ecosystem, where the entirety of the being is treated. And not only the entirety of all of our cells, all of our trillions of cells, but us as billions of cells on a single organism called earth and how we're all working together, and how we're all inexorable from the collective field. The field of the environment, whether it's toxins or energy or connection. The heart fields that we're encountering. All of these things that are on the frontier of, quote, science now, but have been felt and known for a long time. And this is a massive revolution. And a lot of people who've built themselves citadels in academia are going to resist this, as they always did. In my book, "Own the Day," I cited a study that upon the death or retirement, in particular the death of the dominant scientific figure in a particular field, right after that, then all kinds of new studies emerge. And they measure this with citations, citations for different alternate theories. It's like there's a clamping down as long as there's the dominant paradigm and the dominant figure of that paradigm. And then when that figure is removed, there's this flourishing. It's like a forest fire comes and now a flourishing of new growth of information and ideas and hypotheses. But the pressure to keep things as they are is strong, and it's in the face of the inevitable truth of seeing ourselves as interconnected beings. 

ZACH: Yeah. That phenomenon in academia ripples through the corporate world and the like as well, I think. But I think as we start to look at the phenomenon of change, or the resistance to it in science, we can look to natural systems to understand what the potential is. Like when we start to embrace the concept of adaptation at every level, constant adaptation, it will change the way we ask questions for sure. Because we have, for too long, been focused on trying to find unchanging truths in biology. And biology just doesn't work that way. And we have to hurry up and get to that level of understanding. We have to surrender the belief that there are fixed behaviors in biology. In physics, there are truths. It's been said there's only two pure sciences on the planet, philosophy and physics. But since physics was based on philosophy coming out of the Greeks, there's only one original clean science, which was philosophy. And what I think has happened is we lost track of the philosophy that shaped the truths of physics when we started to become so biologically focused in our scientific research. And so we became so enamored with the microscope and disease mechanisms, and the public health statistics and all of this, that we, over the last 200 years, completely lost track of philosophy. And this really happened in spades in 1910, with the Flexner Report, which was commissioned by Rockefeller. Rockefeller, oil and gas magnate, was recognizing that small molecule chemistry coming out of oil and gas base products were exponentially more profitable than oil and gas as a fuel. And so the chemical industry moving into the pharmaceutical industry in the early 1900s was a boon. And in 1910, he had Flexner, a doc out of one of the Ivy League schools, write a report that basically was designed to demonize or discredit homeopathy, herbalism, traditional energy medicines, everything. And so the Flexner Report basically said, this is all witchcraft, it's all old, it's not scientific. 

AUBREY: That's a play from an old playbook. That playbook's been around for a long time. 

ZACH: Yeah. Some other examples. 

AUBREY: Yeah. This repression of the innate knowledge of our energetics and how the plant and animal kingdom, and what we eat, and the herbs we have, these wisdom traditions were all labeled as witchcraft and burned and stunted in so many ways. It's such a very interesting paradigm that the scarcity... It goes back to the scarcity mindset. Because if you're not in a scarcity mindset, even Rockefeller, are you not going to get rich enough from your oil and gas? Do you need more? Can someone give you a fucking hug? Do you need to play the game this ruthless? It's wild, but it's this insatiable hunger from this insatiable scarcity, this hungry ghost that everybody's trying to feed. And same with religions. Like Catholics, y'all are killing it. You're really doing good. Do you really need to burn everybody who's challenging? Really? You think that's necessary? Why go to that extreme? It's wild how we'll just take things. This feed and feed and feed on itself. And then we'll take things to this extreme, like whoa, everybody. Fucking chill out. Big Pharma, do you not have enough profits? Y'all not good? You need to play the game ruthlessly? Relax. It's wild. 

ZACH: Yeah. And it doesn't make sense on a lot of levels until we step back maybe a couple thousand years or 10,000 years or something like that and look at the rise and fall of empires. The largest by far, as far as control of total earth, control and everything else, was the Roman Empire. It is staggering. The size, the scale, the duration of that Roman Empire, phenomenal. It collapsed, ultimately, almost in exactly the same way that a tumor ends up dying in a body. It outstrips its supply chain, it reaches further and further out for the wealth and its resources necessary to maintain this extremely energetically demanding cancer or tumor. And when the supply chains finally fail, the center of the tumor rots very quickly. And then an inflammatory system starts and the whole thing collapses. And so the cancer of the empire is really a predictable pattern. And when you look at what would shape that, it's not only scarcity, but it's this stuck belief of the patriarchy. And what I mean by that is really this masculine archetype, which is goal-oriented. Whereas the feminine archetype is process-oriented, and loses all concept of necessity for goals, because with the right process, everything grows, everything flourishes. Nurture is inherent. But with the short-sighted goal-oriented, masculine archetype behaviors that have been really unopposed in human history, at least of any memory that we have, we see these patterns of dominion form. Empire build, empire fall, empire spread. As soon as the dominant falls, just like in academia, suddenly see a bunch of new empires attempt to get this. And over the next couple hundred years, one will rise, is dominant again. And you see this pattern over and over again. And that has been prophesied by many indigenous peoples, the Mayans included. But I was recently down in Ecuador, with the Achuar. And they have a beautiful prophecy about this time that we're in right now, which I think really speaks to the pattern that we're seeing, which is that the bird of humanity has been flying on one wing since its beginning, the masculine wing. And for that, it has been flying in circles. And in this period that we're in, 2012 forward, the feminine wing will begin to unfold. In the years to come, for the first time, the bird of humanity will fly straight. Not just every time I speak, and it gives me goosebumps. It's just like this deep resonance of truth within me. And so when we look at the powers that be, whether it be the pharmaceutical company, or this kind of new weird mix of military medical complex and weird mix, actually, of military, medical, macro-economic control, it's like this weird blending now of the biggest energies on the planet, which really are the pharmaceutical industry. You put this at scale, it's important, actually, that the pharmaceutical industry, obviously, it's the vast majority of income to the healthcare system today. And that, in the US, is around $3.8, $3.9 trillion a year. Our entire defense budget in the United States is like $680 billion. So we're like five times bigger in the pharmaceutical industry than the entire military complex. 

AUBREY: And then you go down to the education budget, and we're talking like millions you can hold in your hand. 

ZACH: Yeah. Smattering. And so you take that huge economic driver, it's energy, right? It's an economic energy, this pharmaceutical disease management model. And then you marry that to a military kind of concept of enforcement or whatever unfolds. And then you marry that with the economics that we've seen, $4 trillion of quantitative easing, which is a fancy statement for printing money from nothing. And so $4 trillion from the Fed in less than 14 months. 

AUBREY: Which all matriculates up to the top, which is what we've seen. Billionaires getting more billionairish. 

ZACH: Yeah. We see the consolidation of wealth, we see 150 million new families in poverty in just the first six months of 2020. It's probably closer to 300 million new families in poverty over the last two years now, globally. So the consolidation of wealth through these mechanisms is a very old pattern. And it's easy to look at that and be like, that is insurmountable. What is anybody going to do to create an alternative narrative reality future? And the answer is, everything that's been impossible before is about to become possible, because that wing is unfolding. 

AUBREY: That is the beautiful, optimistic way to put it. And all of the great thinkers that I know, yourself, Charles Eisenstein, Daniel Schmachtenberger, all are very aware of the dire condition of where we're at right now, but are all very optimistic because of this force that we all feel. Is unseen, unaccounted for, unquantifiable. As we were talking about earlier, this patriarchal mindset is ready for people amassing in the streets with guns, it's ready for combat, it's ready for conflict, it's ready for the next up-and-coming chomping at the bit empire to try and seize the throne, it's ready to defend against that. But it's not ready for the awakening of the feminine within, within themselves, within actual women. I think when we talk about the feminine, we have to be aware that this is happening in men too. 

ZACH: Critically. 

AUBREY: We're both supposed to have wings, both wings. It's not just like, okay, women fly this side, and men fly this side. No, the masculine and feminine are supposed to rise within us, open our hearts, allow us to see. And yeah, you can have one dominant side and proclivity as an individual, as many of us do. But nonetheless, this is a universal phenomenon. And this is what is going to open up consciousness. And this is the thing that's underestimated. And I think that's why, despite all of the dire-looking conditions in the world, and the way that we can see trends going, we have hope. I have hope, you have hope, Charles has hope, Daniel has hope. We really believe that there's something that's unaccounted for. And you just can't look at it in the same way that you've looked at everything else. 

ZACH: Yeah. I think that's spot on. I think that I've gotten through a massive reawakening this year, as I would have told you a year ago, probably too. It's been relentless for the last dozen years, as soon as I think I'm done deconstructing. And you say, yes, again, to the universe. It's very eager to take you down one more notch until you can really flourish even at a higher level than you thought. So going through that process again, this year, it actually really came down to that masculine-feminine within and realizing through work around the "Course in Miracles," things like that, that we have, for the same eons that we have practiced the masculine archetype and socio-political systems, economic systems, education, we've also practiced it in relationship. And if you look at the contract of marriage, it's one of the most profoundly patriarchal concepts out there. It is an ownership mechanism of women historically, that I think subtly is pressing that feminine archetype for thousands of years. But there's a bigger problem with it than even that, which is the model is that two individuals in the highest vibration, not wanting to own each other necessarily, or anything like that, and really falling in love, whatever it is, are given a construct of this exclusive relationship that is called in "A Course in Miracles," is a special relationship. And this special relationship is a perfect mechanism by which two split minds, split by the masculine and feminine, only understand its ability to express one perhaps, but also split between ego and truth. And so you have two split minds, and you can see the dark side of those two split minds seeing in the other person, the light that they think they cannot get from source, that they cannot get from a god. And so they bring those two dark sides of the mind together in the effort to complete the mind. And so we have this contract that induces this relationship where each individual is seeing in the other something that they revere, and it's probably a very bright and beautiful truth that's in that person. And "A Course in Miracles," in a daunting short paragraph describing the special relationships, as, you will see in the other person, a trait that you do not believe you can get from God. And you will then tap into that trait and you will rob them of that until it is gone, and then you will leave. What? 

AUBREY: It's that same consumptive process that we see out in the world. 

ZACH: Scarcity process. Because you believe, I don't have this trait and therefore, I'm incomplete or I'm insecure in this setting or this setting. But if I hang out with this person and live vicariously through them, and you will drain them of that energy because you're vicariously living through that space, rather than completing that masculine-feminine archetype or even the complete mind in yourself. Once you read that, that "Course in Miracles," then you read what the agreement is in that contract of a special relationship, it reads pretty frightening. You have to agree that there's two battling egos that have different agendas and will always be in conflict. You have to agree that there's going to be pain and suffering. You have to agree that there is death. It goes down the list, and it's just like, wow, really? That can't be. And then you look back at the traditional vows that are handed to kids these days, until death do us part and all these things. It's like, whoa. We have baked in this scarcity, masculine archetype into this space. The alternative you just described, which is within each of us, looking to the divine, finding the divine feminine, finding the divine masculine, spinning those together, that's referred to as holy relationship, and it's in an individual. It's the idea of coming into a relationship with ourselves on that level. It's such a radical jump for me, after years of listening to people talk about self-love and self-realization and mindfulness. Like, we've all been doing it. And we're still doing the same thing. So what are we lacking? For me, the big breakthrough has been like, the power that I could carry, the power that I could transmit into my clinic, or into a patient, or into a colleague, or into the world itself, or into the soil of a farm I'm visiting. The power that I could bring into that space swirling those divine masculine and feminine together within my own body, becoming a channel for something greater than myself for my own good. Because the ecstasy that happens in your body when you're spiraling, those divine masculine and feminine within yourself, exceeds everything that we would perhaps have dumbed down to sex or something like that historically. So I'm fascinated now by this holy relationship concept. And of course, when a holy relationship occurs and you get multiple people, you've gone now from this exclusive special thing to an inclusive state of love, because there's literally an infinite amount. There's no more scarcity of the love, and you're no longer having to contract for, look, you're going to give me your love until you die. And instead, it's like, okay, I have infinite love already. I have the whole source within me so I'm going to be witness to your journey and your growth. And so marriage in a weird way has indoctrinated or created doctrine, and limited growth and change in the same way that science has come to resist intellectual development. 

AUBREY: It's interesting, because I've been on a very similar and interesting journey. I understood the philosophical underpinnings of this when I initiated my journey into polyamory. I was like, love is infinite and can be expressed and found anywhere. And to try and contain it and claim ownership of love itself is fallacy. Therefore, polyamory. That was my conclusion that I drew. And it was a beautiful and brutal journey. Very, very difficult to rewrite those patterns and programs of possession, and the way in which we validate our love by the choice of another. And this journey, eight-year journey, so much love and gratitude to Whitney for going through it with me and learning all the hard way, because we didn't have a lot of models. And then ultimately, letting that go and entering into what you call a holy relationship, I call sacred union with Vylana. And that principle by which we operate, is that we use each other as a doorway to see the infinite within ourselves. And this is the way in which, yes, you could call it special, but it's special only because we found someone that allows, that makes it a little bit easier for us to see the everything in ourselves. And bringing in the practices, different tantric practices, different ways in which we can merge completely into two whole beings and have a complete state of inner being with the everything by using each other as the door. It's not like we're worshiping the door, we're going through the door. This is a Ram Dass thing. Don't just worship the gate, go through the gate. Go through the gate to God. And I think this is the way we need to rewrite the understanding of relationships. And it doesn't denigrate polyamory. You can do it that way too. That requires a level of consciousness that I was not able to rise to. I wasn't able to get past my jealousies and get past my possessions. But I still fundamentally don't think it's impossible to find a doorway through, a pathway to God through many doors. And ultimately, that's the idea is that you could find that through completely non-sexual relationships, and friendships, and pets, and trees, and the whole world itself. Once you learn to find that doorway, you can do it. But I think reframing relationships as that, as this sacred union, as the way to find this full completion of self, through the special codes that you'll unlock in each other and the support that you'll have. And then changing the ritual itself. We wanted to get married. There's a lot of legal reasons and things to get married. We wanted to get married. So we just went and did it. Got married by Elvis. And it was 30 minutes. We were with our buddies, and he sang some songs. And it was fun. We handled the legal aspect of it. But we've been building, what does a sacred union marriage look like? And it doesn't look like any of the wedding rituals that I've seen, at least. It's going to be very different. And we're trying to construct this from the ground up, like, what does this ritual look like, here going forward? 

ZACH: That's exactly right. And I think that when we look at the sexual revolution, as it's been termed, since the '60s. Fast forward from the '60s to 60 years later now, the struggles and the breakthroughs and the new freedom of thought, expression and everything else through, whether it be the LGBTQ community, or the more recent transition, not just asking about sexual identity, but actually gender identity and all these things, I think those are all getting at this understanding that the vibration, there's a lack of coherence between the dogmatic binary systems that have been put out there by the patriarchy. So that's all true. But I find that, especially in my clinic, working with all populations, in Denver, I work very closely with a lot of the LGBTQ community there. And this was back in the '90s when HIV was just terrifying still. We were dealing with massive death tolls and all that in the inner city environments in the US. But I was watching very broken spirits and minds expressing themselves in every gender, every sexual identity. And so whether we call it monogamy, polyamory, some alternative, or various versions of gender or sexual identity, the split mind persists in most of us. And so, in the end, I think we're going to find out that once we put out there, education and training mechanisms, to get people into that sacred state in and of themselves. Can you imagine if at kindergarten, we started connecting children to meditation, to the practice of being aware of energy and just start that process and let them develop an intuition? And what are they going to start to express when they're 16, 18, 25 years old? It's going to be much different, obviously. And so the education system as it aligns with the fabric of the universe is, what is energy? How does it move? What is life maturing into on this planet? What is the planet itself doing from a sacred geometry and mathematical spin? That's changed so much in the last five years. The geometry of the earth is changing fundamentally. What does that mean for our species? What does it mean for this extinction event? How do they overlap? All these things are fascinating. And I think it will help us push quickly past the schisms of the dichotomous things. Well, are you lesbian? Are you by non-binary? Are you polyamorous? We're going to lose those titles at some point, finding out that we either have a unified mind or a schism in mind. And when we have a unified mind, and the masculine and feminine become embraced, talk about flight straight. That bird is going to be on target. And when we look through just the emergence of biology and biophysics as kind of an emerging field over the last 30 years, 50 years really, and there were certainly precursors to that. Rife and some of the guys in the mid-20th century there were mind-blowing and understanding energetics of cancer and things like that. But those were just ripples compared to what's going on now with all of the awareness of scalar wave versions of biology and everything that's kind of imprinted in us as these deep mathematical truths that can be reignited, tuned into to create coherence and spontaneous healing events occur. And you see this through Dispenza's work or Tony Robbins, any of these guys who've made a name for themselves in neuro energetics and report spontaneous healings. They're simply just uncovering what has long been held, known by the matriarchy, which is you bring a being in line with its original nurturing math within itself and it heals. So we've had that. And I think you were talking earlier before the show, perhaps around the effort to burn women at the stake who had this energy within them and that collective loss. 

AUBREY: Unfathomable, that loss. Obviously, we could go into that and really take a moment, and maybe we should, before I even go into what I was going to formally say. But so many, during the Inquisition, during the witch trials, during the hysteria in which there was the unclean, and then there was the holy. And then really, this was just an idea of the schism mind and the fear of the illumination, of how challenging that was to the ego that was in the dominant position. The masculine that was in the dominant position which feared its overtaking, and then the violence that's been perpetrated to maintain it. It is truly, truly one of the great tragedies of human history. So I don't want to skip over that. But I do want to say that one of the things that came to mind was, when I was in seventh grade and I started taking traditional gongfu. And there's a long tradition in China and in India where, respectively, they call the energetic field of life, they call it chi or prana. And this is largely discarded by the West as just like some woo woo shit that came. But these are ancient, ancient wisdom traditions that have been practiced for thousands of years. And Craig Baucom, he was my instructor for this Kung Fu. One of the things we did, of course, we did cool stuff with staffs and swords, because that's what got me into it. But one of the important practices was a combination of breath work, and moving of the body, shaking my hands out. And really, he'd have me shake my hands out and start doing deep breathing. And I'm in seventh grade, never done any of this. Shaking my hands, deep breathing, and then trying to visualize energy flowing through my hands. And then after that, I would move my hands together. And I could feel this ball of energy, almost like this magnetic hockey puck of energy that was moving from my hands. And I was like, holy shit, I can feel it. It's real. I can feel it. Like, wow. And at that point, when you have that gnosis, where it's not like a hypothetical, like maybe there's energy like this, but you feel it, that changes everything. And if that was taught, it just reframes the whole paradigm of how you look out at the world. Wow, there's energy that we can draw in. As we accumulate this prana, this chi, that's the lifeforce all around us right in front of us, as we build this within our body, then we can condense it and move it with our hands and feel that. At that point, whoa. Really, you have to take a fresh look at everything. And of course, 30 years later, this is still a path where I'm continuing to uncover how powerful this is. But I'm sure the old masters, and mystics, and wisdom keepers of the East have been like, yeah, silly. We've been telling you guys forever. It's about time. 

ZACH: Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's that loss of philosophy underpinning science. So when we let go have a philosophy that built physics and we became biologically-minded, we reversed our intelligence because we went from an Einsteinian quantum physics world of ancient Chinese medicine, acupuncture, Qigong, Tai chi, and then Kung fu, all the martial arts, out into yoga traditions and across the world. And interestingly, the Irish came up with their own form of, their whole science of acupuncture 1,200 years ago without contact to Asia. And so they, instead of having the meridian system mapped as, are more similar between the Chinese and Japanese, they actually created this beautiful Irish knot design of how energy flows through the system. And I'm not going to be surprised if the Irish actually had the right model. Because it's nonlinear. And the meridian system is drawn so linear through Chinese and Japanese acupuncture charts. But the Irish managed to picture that in three dimensions, and weave these Irish knots through the body with these energy systems. And when I first saw that map, just like goosebumped me out and made me realize that for all the energy work we were doing in clinic, that I needed to keep an open hand on the possibility of fifth dimension kind of concepts, where you've got collapsing space time and everything else in these weaving, three and fifth dimension shapes going on through the electrical system of the body. And we step away from that world 1,200 years ago in Ireland or something like that, to the 1910 Flexner report, where we suddenly believe that the whole body is just mechanistic machinery, Newtonian. So we step back from quantum physics to Newton, who just says gravity works. And for every action, there's the opposite and equal reaction kind of thing. And it's like, okay, so it's just a machine. The body is just a machine. So by 1910, we gave up on the possibility that the body is a quantum physics event. And we lost track of what life is at that point, because life is not about flesh. Obviously, life is something far more ethereal that animates flesh. But it isn't, certainly not the flesh that defines the animation. And so we lost the animated belief of life—

AUBREY: And a lot of people are realizing that, that it's not the brain that creates consciousness. It might be the consciousness that's creating the brain. It's like, vice versa. We may have all of our thoughts wrong. We're self-generating it out of some Newtonian causality, whereas actually, the causality is creating us, in and of ourselves. All of these things are a complete reversal of the way that we're thinking about it now. But also, it's this remembrance, as we said. And I think probably one of the reasons why, going back again, why the Irish wisdom was lost was because of the pressure, the censorship, which was very violent back in those days. This was the Inquisition time. This was the time where religion decided that these things were of the devil, quote, which is basically just saying that this is in opposition to our belief structure, to our citadel, and that scarcity mindset. Let's get rid of all of these wisdom keepers, call them witches. And we're seeing the same pattern now. Obviously, you can't burn anybody at the stake anymore. But you can cancel them on social media. You can censor them on their platforms. You can denigrate their work, call them woo woo. Put them in a corner. And yeah, fuck yeah, like I said in the car earlier, I would say 98% of the Reiki that I've received from people, I'm like, thank you, I think. I think, maybe. It's not like everything works. I'm not saying that. But there are people where sometimes you have a healing that happens, you're like, holy shit. That was so fucking profound, that I can never argue against that. I cannot gaslight myself into believing that that wasn't as real as anything I've ever experienced in my life. This is the thing. All right, maybe some people listening have been like, yeah, I tried acupuncture, I tried this, and nothing happened. Sure. Me too. Me too. I get it. It's not all the perfect practitioner, the true master. And you're not potentially in the right space, in the right state. And maybe you haven't felt it. And yes, the Newtonian method does work. You can take an Advil and your aches and pains will go away. I fucking get it. I get all that. We're not denying all of this. We're just trying to open and expand the mind to the possibility that there's way more happening, always, than we realize. 

ZACH: Yeah. This is going to be a bit of a long story. But I think it's tempting to go ahead and tell a bit of my 12-year journey here since opening my clinic, leaving the university. Because I think it will help bridge the idea of okay, so anciently, we had energy medicine, we lost it. Newtonian now. What does it all mean? Is it real? How is it real? And that's really been the question. Because in 2010, when I left the university, I was suffering from pretty major depression, super isolated at the university level. Academia is very good at creating a political backstabbing environment where you really don't have a collegial experience where you feel like everybody's fighting over limited resources, whether it be at the NIH level, which is where all of our funding comes through, is National Institutes of Health. And so you're battling over resources there, you're battling for resources at the university level, you're battling for tenure position and political stability, because nobody really has got your back. And so you're just like clawing for this. And so the isolation that naturally occurs in academia keeps us from having quorum sensing. We can't actually reach high intelligence in academic centers, because we're so schismed and fearful and in the scarcity mindset of one another. And therefore, so slow to change. And so when I made some breakthroughs in chemotherapy in 2008, I was so excited. I ran down the hall to my buddies in the Onc world. And it's like, look at what just happened. This is fricking crazy. It's a vitamin A compound, and look what fricking is happening to these cancer cells. And they're like, oh, that's cool. That's interesting. I was like, what'd you mean, it's interesting? You got cancer patients all day long, can you imagine what this is capable of? Went back to my mentors like, alright, so breakthrough, now what? And she's like, best case, scenario, it'll be 25 years before those guys down the hall are able to practice what you discovered. 25 years. It turned out it would never come to be because as I moved into clinical trials, one of the pharmaceutical companies had patented vitamin A compounds broadly as a chemotherapeutic agent. So I called them up naively, very excited. Got this thing working, it's doing this and that. And it was literally three questions. What type of cancers do you think it treats? How long do you think you would have to treat for? Do you think it actually is getting at the apoptosis or suicide of the cell itself? Said, not only do I think, I can show you the data, blah, blah, blah. Click, literally hung up on me. And I just thought, the line went dead, or I lost my line. Call back, no answer, no answer. Finally, after a few days of no contact, I go to my mentor and explained the situation. She's like, you should have never called like. She's like, that is not a patent that is there for monetary gain. That is something called a blocking pattern, making sure that this thing doesn't come to light. I was like, I couldn't even fathom the words blocking patent put together. I thought the whole concept of intellectual property at that point was to advance knowledge. So the idea that academia as a whole is broadly putting blocking patents in place, and we saw a huge version of this happen right at the beginning of the pandemic in 2020, IBM and Harvard, rushed into the patent world. And when they saw the sudden loss of control of the academic environment and the inevitable shift to online education, they saw that they would lose control of the power structures that happen through hierarchical education systems. Ultimately, graduating Harvard Law is only important because everybody around you has all the right connections to make you successful. And so the information is the same in any other law school, but the network is different. And you start to take away that network into the digital realm, and you put everything online, you start to lose control of that hierarchical structure. So IBM and Harvard teamed up and filed like 26 blocking patents for online education, and against learning management systems. So it's just like this interesting situation where we have patriarchal power structures now making power grabs that are looking more and more desperate, which I think is a very good sign. When you have educational centers trying to block education, that has to be one of the last moves, right? That's a dead entity at that point, right? It's undermining its own soul at that point. And so we don't have to really attack Harvard for that, or anything else, or IBM. The reality is, they are practicing a finite game that's destroying itself. And this has been an interesting journey for me, since that chemotherapy thing of realizing, okay, this is not how academia works. This is not how information travels. I'm going to have to leave academia if I'm going to actually ask interesting questions for myself and practice medicine interestingly for myself and my patients. And the only thing I could really fall back on at that point that I thought was doing no harm was nutrition, which unfortunately, I had no training whatsoever. And so I had to start self-training in nutrition and reading a bunch on it, but also, just trusting a lot of the science to come out of Cornell and Columbia and some of these other programs—

AUBREY: Again, a forgotten wisdom. "Let food be thy medicine." Hippocrates. You take a Hippocratic Oath, but do you want to read the rest of his work? Like let food be thy medicine? Come on. 

ZACH: And Hippocratic Oath, do no harm, that hasn't been going so well. We kind of have really stepped—

AUBREY: Hippocrates and Jesus are hanging out somewhere being like, motherfuckers. We really did our best here. This got royally fucked. 

ZACH: Royally. And do no harm. So moving that needle forward then from nutrition. Interestingly, it did come back to the Hippocratic concept of food be thy medicine. And so started applying a lot of 50, 60-year-old nutrition science that had come out of the post World War II era that was really disruptive, really cool new concepts around nutrient density and all these things. So started applying that. And within two years of really intense application in my patients, who I was asking to really step up, I was in one of the poorest counties in Virginia, rural fifth generation poverty, really hasn't recovered since the Civil War, like deep, deep poverty that I couldn't have imagined coming from Boulder, Colorado, where I was born raised. The West is so young, California being the most ridiculous version of that. But we don't know what ancestral karmic debt and karmic poverty looks like in the West. You go to the East or the Deep South and you feel that energy of deep entrenched hopelessness that can ride underneath the surface there. That was the county I kind of started in. There was no grocery stores really offering much in that county. They were mostly eating from sheets, gas stations, and the like. So the journey into nutrition showed me that the food was no longer working. We had about a third of our patients that as soon as you put them on kale juicing, they would suddenly spike inflammation markers. They would feel brain fog, chronic fatigue, inflammation in the joints, all this stuff. And at first, I just thought they were non-compliant. For two years, I kept blaming the patient, which is what we're very well trained to do in academia. 

AUBREY: Just to be clear. So you were investigating an intervention in which you gave people green juices? 

ZACH: Yep, cruciferous vegetables, juicing primarily, because I—

AUBREY: And it wasn't working? 

ZACH: A third of people work, it worked beautifully. Diabetes reverses. You'd see regression of tumors, all kinds of cool stuff. A third of patients, no change whatsoever. And a third of patients, increased inflammation. And so that really started to challenge this. And so I started going back to that Hippocratic concept of, when the medicine's got to be in the food. Started looking through nutrient density science out of agriculture, which I had never been exposed to. And there was so much data that was stunning, like lycopene and tomatoes. That is like one of the main anti-cancer compounds within a tomato. It just disappeared over the last 40 years of agriculture. And so same thing with a lot of the alkaloids that come in those cruciferous vegetables that are anti-anxiety, anti-depressive, anti-cancer, anti-rhythmic, anti-hypertensive. Any disease that's epidemic in our culture today has an alkaloid within those cruciferous vegetables that's easily treated. And so what happened to induce the chronic disease epidemics that started in the 1990s was the deletion of the food in our medicine. And we did that through herbicides. And so 1972, sorry, '74 was the rollout of glyphosate as Roundup. '76 became the first big years of large scale applications. But in 1991, we made a big transition where it went from a spot herbicide weed killer to a crop treatment. And we started with wheat. And so '91, a farmer up in Ireland actually, I'm pretty was Ireland or maybe Scotland, but it was up in Northern Europe, realized that the winter was coming early enough weeks before anticipated and they were going to lose their entire wheat crop. Couldn't get it until harvest quick enough because it wasn't dry yet. You have to wait for the wheat to dry before you harvest, else it molds immediately. And so he had the idea of spraying all of his field with Roundup to kill the wheat immediately and dry it out. It worked beautifully. Within two days, the whole field was dried, desiccated. And so went through and harvested that wheat, published that experience. Within a year, Monsanto had rushed around, rebranded it as a desiccant for wheat. And every year since then, we've increased the amount of acreage of wheat production sprayed directly as a desiccant right at the time of harvest. And so we started putting this chemical straight into our food right before consumption. And it turns out that glyphosate blocks the shikimate pathway and other enzymatic pathways that are specific to plants. That builds a lot of the nutrients within food, and perhaps most importantly, the SMD essential amino acids, which are called the, I'm sorry the, blanking on my list there. But it's three main ones. Tyrosine, tryptophan, and phenylalanine are the three essential amino acids. Aromatic was the word I was missing there. Aromatic amino acids, which is the description of the specific carbon ring that it's capable of making through the shikimate pathway. There's only 22 amino acids that build the 480,000 different proteins in your body. So this is literally the alphabet of protein synthesis, 22 letters. And of those, there's nine essentials that are called essential because we can't make them in our own biology. So we rely on bacteria, fungi and plants to produce these nine essentials. And so when you start deleting these nine essentials, it's like removing vowels from the English alphabet and start misspelling proteins. And so when we started spraying first our wheat in '92, and then by '96, our corn, soybean, by 2003, 30 crops including things like sugar beets, and now really ridiculous, roses, tulips. We're genetically engineering nearly everything that ends up in a household to handle Roundup directly. And so when we did that, we started deleting out the alkaloids. And so the reason that my food program was not being effective, and in fact, hurting some of my patients was because they were eating conventionally grown rather than organic. And they had high residues, especially in kale. Kale and the cruciferous vegetables have very high glyphosate residues if grown under conventional agricultural practices. And so when you get those high residues of glyphosate, it acts as a direct toxin to the human body. And we see the breakdown of tight junctions in the gut, the blood-brain barrier, kidney tubules. You see precancerous shifts happen quickly. And so that glyphosate injury was happening. And had the alkaloids been present, it probably would have been okay. But it also deletes the alkaloid. So both do direct injury as a toxin and have deleted the medicine from the food that would have perhaps ameliorated the injury in the first place. And so that was the moment we lost the Hippocratic truth. Food no longer is our medicine. And every year since then, we have seen an encroachment through our regulatory process of more and more chemical disruption of biologic nutrients within our food. The US EPA and USDA approved a three chemical GMO seed about three years ago, 2018. And so that was glyphosate, which was Roundup, 24-D, and Atrazine, I think is the third one in there. Oh, no, Dicamba. And so that allowed them farmers to just spray three of these chemicals that disrupt completely different physiologic pathways in the nutrients of the food into the same crop without killing the crop. Meaning that the food they're getting to the consumer has three toxins that are disrupting different pathways within human biology. So we have come out for approval in 2022, a five chemical seed GMO. So now it's Liberty Link, which is out of Bayer. Liberty Link is glufosinate. And it's an interesting chemical that disrupts a lot of the protein synthesis for reproduction and things like this. So you've got this interesting creep of deletion of all of the intelligence of nature out of our food. So I think we began with taking the women out. And then we found out that wasn't enough because nature had a feminine archetype within it, we that was still delivering that too much—

AUBREY: We got to smash that too.

ZACH: We got to get that out of there. And so the pharmaceutical industry started to own the chemical herbicide industry in the 1990s. And so, Pharmacia was the first company to own Monsanto. And now it's, of course, owned by Bayer. But these are pharmaceutical companies that are treating diseases that are being increased in rate because of the loss of nutrients, because of the herbicides that are being applied on the front end. So it's such a perfect business model, in that you've got this deletion of the intelligence of nature and the feminine archetype from our food, and then a very patriarchal short-sighted, finite game of pharmaceutical application on the back end. And of course, you're making $800 per $1 of gain on the front end. And so right now, glyphosate Roundup actually doesn't make much money at all, because the vast majority is made in China for pennies on the dollar, and flooded the global marketplace. We're now spraying 4 billion pounds of glyphosate globally into our soil and water systems. And that 4 billion pounds is water soluble, which means it gets into our water table, it then evaporates. 75% of the air measured in the United States is now testing positive for glyphosate. 75% of rainfall is testing, actually, I think it's closer to 81%, testing positive for glyphosate. And so we've got this water soluble toxin that's deleting kind of the feminine archetype, if you will, out of nature, and challenging this. And at the same time, fascinatingly, what we've been doing in our lab for the last 10 years is studying the direct effect of that glyphosate on the gut membrane. And you see this loss of the tight junctions, which are the Velcro that holds the billions of cells together that make the largest barrier in your body, which is the gut membrane. Covers two tennis courts in surface area. It's huge. And that massive surface area is one cell layer thick, which is half the width of the human hair. So you have this like thin cellophane, almost microscopic cellophane layer between you and the outside world that then suddenly turns into a leaky sieve if you're eating glyphosate residues from your food or water, or you're showering in glyphosate, and you're breaking the tight junctions with skin and you're starting to absorb to your skin and gut and everything else. So it's this maelstrom of activity. So I find it just poetically beautiful that the patriarchal colonial mindset takes down the feminine with the Flexner Report in 1910. By 100 years later, in 2010, the chemical industry owns the entire food system, treating the diseases that are coming out of that with that. And underlying all of that is the, I think, philosophical result of loss of self-identity. Because tight junctions are the beginning of your self-identity. When you turn into that leaky sieve, your immune system, 70% of which lies right behind that gut membrane, doesn't know what's outside and inside. And so you suddenly lose human self-identity through the loss of the microbes. Glyphosate is a potent antibiotic. Kills bacteria, fungi, protozoa. And so we're denuding the gut ecosystem, destroying the self-identity. So now we've lost the forest, and we've lost the self-identity within humans, and we start to act as we are today. 

AUBREY: Pro-inflammatory cytokines start rushing through the brain, we get more fatigue, we reach to things that stimulate energy or decrease fatigue and we're ever-increasing on this pathway. And it just continues on ad infinitum. And the other challenge, of course, is that all of these massive industries, they are the ones who are supporting political campaigns. They're the ones buying advertising on TV and in the media. So the information from the top down level, and then the campaigns from the top down level, they're not going to respond to the actual information as well. Even if they had it, which they probably don't, I think most people are operating in the dark on this. Even the people who are spraying the chemicals are probably like, oh, yeah, this is good. This is just what you do. They aren't even aware. People a lot of times hypothesize that there's this dark Illuminati that is secretly eating organic vegetables and secretly knows all this and is just trying to fuck everybody else up. No. In my opinion, I don't know, who knows, but it seems like everybody's probably fucking themselves up too. Everybody's just in this kind of intentional myopic ignorance about the whole, maybe with some slight knowledge, but with enough self-serving bias, and enough short term thinking about the next profit cycle, the next political election cycle and just supporting the system and not wanting to let down your shareholders, and not wanting to give up your vacation home or whatever the fuck. Then this thing perpetuates until ultimately, it becomes self-devouring. And that's what we're seeing. We're seeing the system devour itself. Our health system devours itself. Our structure starts to devour itself as we start to disintegrate internally, so is our society starting to disintegrate. Like as above, so below? And so this is the time that we're in now. And it's both exciting and terrifying. 

ZACH: I think it's necessary, for sure. That's what we can be really confident in. The journey is always the right journey. 

AUBREY: It's almost like these systems had to go to this place in order to change. 

ZACH: Finally collapsed. Because we're really talking about taking down 10,000 years of a primary masculine archetype. At least 10,000, who knows how long. And to be able to switch that to a balanced feminine-masculine archetype, it will fundamentally change absolutely everything we do. And so you have to see that self-destruction of the masculine before that feminine is really going to be able to even have space to breathe. Because of the strength of it, I would say, a good example would be the post World War II era. And so at that moment, the masculine archetype had managed to capture more physical and energetic power than ever before in humanity. And so we had managed a massive, full scale global war, poured trillions of gallons of gasoline and everything else into moving troops all over the world. We have killed more human beings than ever time in history. We had this focal point of energy. And coming out of that, you see the most extreme success of the masculine archetype. And then you see the built world that we have today. New York City becomes what it is, China becomes what it is. And so the patriarchy finally reached its highest tempo. I don't think the feminine archetype wing could have unfolded in that space. And so when we saw the concept of the dawning of Aquarius in the late '60s, free love movement, all of that, that was a vibration of the future starting to express itself in humanity. And there was a shift in awareness in the physiology of the biologic thing that we would call human. But there wasn't an energetic space for the shift to happen. And so that generation, late '60s, early '70s, would suddenly be shifted from a plant medicine of marijuana as a primary resource that had really managed to allow that generation to unplug from the post World War II drive. So THC just shuts down the drive part of the brain. And suddenly, you got all these young people unwilling to go work for the man, go work on Wall Street, whatever it is. And suddenly, it's like, we're screwed as a country by 1978 because there's nobody going to go generate money. We were losing our economic wellness and it was blamed on Carter and all this. No. It was literally the beginning of this rising of the feminine, and a loss of that. And so late '70s, really starting in '76, you see this huge infusion of cocaine into the environment. And so the cocaine flips back on that drive state and we created the 1980s as the disco movement, really embraced the cocaine kind of environment, all that. And so we changed the drug stimulus to society. And suddenly we got drive and suddenly, we had the biggest boom in economics from 1980 to 1998 with the economic revolution of Wall Street and all of the BS macroeconomic policies that got put in place to exponentially grow economies beyond their biological capacity. So we had this revolution that started then that then collapsed easily by simple input of a drug, I think. And now, we see this resurgence of plant medicine happening, obviously. I've been told there's 500 Ayahuasca ceremonies every weekend in LA now, which is kind of, A, maybe that's helpful, B, we got to get the frick out of LA. Let's maybe not think that that is getting us in touch with the feminine archetype entirely there. 

AUBREY: It's going where it's needed most. 

ZACH: The journey is the journey. So whatever is needed there. But I'm intrigued that we are seeing this repercussion now. And you have CEOs of large corporations freaking out about all of their best people taking ayahuasca and disappearing and just—

AUBREY: I just had that conversation. And I won't talk about which one of these massive organizations was involved in this. But a massive global entertainment organization and one of the founding principles and leader of the organization was very interested in spirituality, but also has a huge distaste for ayahuasca because he's lost some of his best highest producing people who would be in the clubs, maybe doing a little cocaine, being fired up, working that 14 hours, trying to create something magnificent on the old paradigm way, the finite game way of let's get people to get the champagne bottle that costs $100,000. It's five feet tall and has 20 sparklers and seven hot girls bring it out. Let's try to make that happen. And then they do ayahuasca and like, what the fuck are we doing? What are we doing anymore? But I think starting to understand and the awareness is starting to come through like, all right, all right. I get it. They're good at this. They're good at spotting the trends and seeing it. And I think the best and brightest of us will start to make the adaptations ahead of it and be ready for the feminine wing to unfurl and serve the world in that way. And then there's going to be some people who are going to ride it out like Blockbuster Video and say, nope. Fucking DVD rentals and VHS rentals are going to be the way forever. It's not going to go that way. If we're wise, we're going to start preparing for the way that this new world is going to unfurl. And if we don't, there's going to be a lot of catastrophic damage to those institutions. 

ZACH: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's an interesting reality is everything dominant now is going to have to fail. And so all the dominant paradigms will fundamentally become very unstable. And in that instability, it's going to take very little effort to collapse current systems. David Martin does a good job speaking about the wobble effect. And a top spinning at speed is very difficult to tip over. But as soon as its speed diminishes, it takes a very small vector of force to start it into a wobble state. And once wobble occurs, it cannot be reversed. And it has a decay rate that's accelerating and will ultimately tip the top over. And so what we're seeing, I think, between 1968 and the emergence of this new understanding of the feminine archetype perhaps, and 2028, which I think is going to be a next kind of major tipping point, the difference will be the amount of wobble that has been put into the dominant top-spinning powers that are there. 

AUBREY: Why 2028? 

ZACH: Well, it comes down to a lot of different factors, obviously. But 2028 is an interesting concurrence of indigenous wisdoms as to what this era is, between 2017 and 2027. But also an interesting phenomenon happening perhaps in our genetics. We're only going to figure this out in retrospect, because we don't have a way of prospectively showing epigenetic shifts. But what we can look back through is the epigenetic patterns of emotions now starting to be understood. And so when an emotion of fear or guilt is inflicted on human biology, the genetics in every single cell of the body shift. And it's a disempowering event. It's basically shifting biology from an infinite game of regeneration and life to one of survival. And that shift of fear and guilt has been dominant in the human experience, I think, since our origin. 

AUBREY: I've never seen it, in my life, stronger than it is right now. 

ZACH: Bingo. And I think we're going to see a massive amount of premature death in this decade. And it's going to be through lots of different mechanisms. Natural disasters, chemical warfare, as we become more and more unstable with the US dollar and all kinds of things. There's going to be lots and lots of mechanisms of this premature death. But what we're seeing is that this heightened state of fear and guilt that's been induced on the planet in these last two years, has prepared us for a turnover in genetics. Because you and I and many of us have seen that for every marked fear and guilt moment, there's been a very bright, alternate response, which was one of hope, a new paradigm. And so what we're seeing is now a division at the genetic level of our species. One half of our species is prone to their fear and guilt patterns, and now expressing it very violently on their own genetics. The other suddenly escaping fear and guilt, perhaps for the first time in our history. And I can see this in my clinic in spades. When a cancer patient walks in, I do not talk about cancer at all in the first three-hour visit. Instead, I just infuse them with an understanding that this is the most important thing that's ever happened to them. And it is a gift. Because if they pay attention to the mechanisms by which this thing occurred in our body, it will be their greatest teacher. And it will take them to a point of enlightenment that will completely change their sense of reality. And they will walk out on a different person three hours later, forgetting that the reason they came in was cancer. That's how we begin the healing process, is to get them out of the genetics of fear and guilt. And this is where we need to begin as a society is, are we really fearing a virus? What is a virus? A virus is a genetic databank for adaptation and bio-diversification of the planet. Viruses have never been against life. Viruses are not even living life forms. They are the genetic memory of our potential. And so when we see viruses go rampant through a population, it's because it's time for a shift, it's time for adaptation to fundamentally occur now. And so we have had 12,800 viral pandemics since 1976 with the launch of glyphosate. This is predictable, because when you put extinction level stress on the microbiome and soil systems, water systems and the like, the stress of the chemical destruction, forces a genetic effort towards adaptation. And so the number of viruses that have been produced in these last few decades of chemical agriculture has dwarfed any other genetic moment on the planet. 4 billion years of history and we just reached the highest genetic potential that we've ever had because the viruses are here. And the viruses are here to show us a new pathway forward, past the chemical milieu, past the trauma. Ultimately, most importantly, in this decade, perhaps past fear and guilt. And what's happening in the revolution of water science right now starts to bring us back to the previous discussion of energetic medicine versus Newtonian biologic belief. The water molecule is certainly the most unique and critical molecule on the planet, because it's the only one that really functions as a translation unit from the biophysical field of energetics into biology. And it does that by the vibrational state of this strange molecule. H2O is the most nefarious of compounds is never H2O, which we've always been told it was. It's always OH. And every millionth of a second or so, it switches hydrogens. And so it's an oxygen that's in this quantum state of plasma, basically, with this energetic field around it as its releasing and gaining hydrogen. Hydrogen, of course, when letting go of its electron is a proton, a naked proton. And the work of Nassim Haramein and others have now demonstrated that the most complete model of the human proton is a black hole. It's a 64 double tetrahedron spinning in a double torus, to create the exact form and function of the black hole in the center of our galaxy. And interestingly, black holes have long been recognized by the astrophysicist to all be connected by wormholes. Stephen Hawkins discovered the Hawkins particles, which were emissions of information coming out of black holes and galaxies around the universe. He held, and many others held initially, that that was just chaotic information. It wasn't organized data, it wasn't organized knowledge. That now has been dismissed. It is structured information in the black holes in constant communication. So what is the fabric of the universe? What is the fabric of the knowledge field? What is God? It's starting to look like the sacred geometry of the black hole. And if every black hole communicates in a matter on its fractal scale, then that proton that's released from water as a bare hydrogen lacking its electron for just a millionth of a second, can connect to all information on the planet and in the universe through its black hole space. And so we have this possibility that we are spinning black holes constantly in the water state that is allowing transmission and reception of all of the information that we would be generating from our experiential existence. And so when we look down at the water structure in the human cell, there's a couple of very interesting phenomena that tie back to this virus story, which is that the genetics of the viruses are certainly the genetics of every living being. So the human cell has 20,000 genes, which is a pathetically low number. Fruit flies have 13,000 genes, fleas have 30,000 genes. So you sit a little closer to a fruit fly than a flea in your genetic intelligence. Except that it's not the genes that make your intelligence. It's the 98.5% of the rest of the DNA that didn't seem to be doing anything, we in fact, called it junk DNA, that seems to have all the intelligence in it. And we now know that of those 20,000 human genes, over 50% were directly inserted into the mammalian genome from viruses. More than 8% of our genes from mom and dad were actually inserted by retroviruses like HIV. And so we have to fundamentally stop demonizing all viruses. We need to understand them as functions of genetic intelligence. And when our bodies decide to integrate those into DNA, there's a high purpose within that. And so we can show that the movement in the last extinction event where we lost dinosaurs and 97% of life on earth, maybe as little as 90%, but it could have been as high as 97% of life gone, the amount of genetic information left from that extinction event had never occurred heard before. And so earth has moved forward from an extinction event, never struggled back to make dinosaurs, never struggled back to just recreate the ferns. Instead, we jumped from ferns, to deciduous trees, flowering plants, wildflowers and grasslands. And so we jump from reptile to avian to mammal. Each time, especially that jump from avian to mammal, that first live birth experience required at least five critical genetic updates from the virome to allow us to have the first live birth. Placenta can't exist without critical retrovirus updates and things like this. And so what's happening right now as we see this sixth great extinction happening, where the cataclysmic event not only destroys the planet, but also creates the highest potential for intelligence to emerge. And interestingly, as that virus, genetic information enters the cell, it goes through a very, very careful proofreading system. Cas9 won the Nobel Prize, interestingly, in 2020. Could have been used to demonstrate that, just by Dr. Doudna's TED Talk in 2016, she was one of the Nobel recipients for the Cas9 discovery in 2020. But she gave a 2016 talk that said the Cas9 is the equivalent of a vaccination card. Said Cas9 remembers every single virus that comes through it, and it decides very clearly as to whether that virus is going to be replicated or not.

AUBREY: Once again, what's Cas9? 

ZACH: Cas9 is an enzyme that's responsible for translating viral RNA or DNA strand into a protein, or a retro into a messenger RNA, or a reverse transcriptase, all kinds of mechanisms to put that genetic information into our DNA or into synthesis at the cytoplasm levels. Cas9 is like the gatekeeper for incoming genetic information. And it works really well. As I'm sitting here with you, I have 10 to the 15 viruses in my bloodstream. Not just 10 to the 15 of a few, I have 10 to the 15 different viruses in my bloodstream right now. And so when science rushes out and says we have a virus attacking us, you have to ask, is it really a virus attacking us? Or is there a new vulnerability that we've created? Or more interestingly, is there a new opportunity that we're stepping into by integrating this new information into our bodies? 

AUBREY: All right. That was one of the most incredible rants of information that I've ever heard in my life, and I want to start and unpack a few things. First of all, I got really emotional when you talked about what you do when you have a cancer patient come in to see you. My uncle died of lymphoma and he didn't have a doctor like you. And he didn't have me who knew a doctor like you at that point. And just the fear. And he did his best. He was a fucking legend. He was a hero. And he was trying everything from eating, he went the nutritional route with eating raw livers from. He was on up to some good stuff, but the psychological aspect was just not available to him. So it's just beautiful to hear that. And it was really touching. I know it to be right. I know it to be right. And of course, understanding how this fear and guilt, and all of these different things that, this has been studied before. Even in clinical research, they've studied how a doctor presents information affects the outcome of the patient. We know this. We know what the nocebo is. We know how language can be used to harm or to help. We're aware, but it's still not practiced at that level. So even if all you're doing is averting the nocebo effect of mainstream medicine and inducing a very positive placebo effect, which people claim like it's a nuisance, it's the fucking thing. It's the way in which we can translate our thoughts and beliefs into actual material changes within the body. So whatever you want to call it, or whether it's the actual truth is what it feels like and resonates in my bones, All the better. But either way, it doesn't matter. It should be practiced universally, because it's going to help. And this is not anything that you have to even believe. It's just the truth about what happens when you receive that. And so, just want to acknowledge you first, for that. It was just so beautiful to hear that. 

ZACH: One of the things to recognize in that transition as a physician is that I was trained to fear cancer. So I was in fear. And I had a huge guilt complex for every patient I lost. And so fear and guilt is inherent to medical practice, which then of course, disempowers us to understand what the hell life is. And so when we approach disease through fear and guilt, we can never appreciate or experience vitality. And we don't expect vitality to occur in our patients, because we don't believe in it. And so it's this insidious thing. 

AUBREY: Would I teach what you don't know with a G. 

ZACH: That's it. And when you start to, as a practitioner of any sort, move into clinical care, I think there's an inherent responsibility now, as we start to understand all these epigenetic issues, to make sure that you are losing the patriarchal belief that you're going to change the path for this disease for this patient. Because that is their journey that they wrote, and they picked this path. So who the hell are you to say you're going to change their story? What you can do is change the terrain around their narrative that they've written for themselves, and see if they have a chapter too. 

AUBREY: Help illuminate the options that they have in their path with the challenge that's presented. 

ZACH: And even deeper, just empower them to listen into their soul and say, is this your exit strategy? Because I lose a lot of patients to cancer, no matter how much fear and guilt we get rid of. Not because the cancer was bad, but because that's what they picked. And so the joy that I have in my clinic is that the vast majority of patients that we come in contact with, a year or two years in, are like, this cancer was the greatest gift I've ever had. And whether they go on to die from that, or they go on to have spontaneous remissions, or whatever occurs, it's the vitality within them, it's their autonomy, their sacred awareness of self that becomes the most important moment of their lives. And that can happen no matter if it was leading to what we would call a death moment, which is obviously just rebirth. And so we need to stop playing the finite game of death, is it a definition? Death is a rebirth, it's a transition. It cannot be a failure, because everybody's bigger after that moment than they were before that moment. So stupid definition of failure. And yet, as physicians, we're held so carefully to that metric. As surgeons, you might lose your ability to get paid, if you're having a certain number of mortality around your surgeries, or whatever it is. As cancer doctors you get, you rarely dinged if you have a higher rate of deaths. So we have these metrics of death as failure. This is the finite crisis. The infinite game is recognizing this soul came in at the tipping point of all things. 7.8 billion other lights, energy souls coming in at the same time to do something. And we need to have a very agnostic approach to understanding why they showed up, what they're here to do, what they're here to do. And my experience over and over again, is when you get them out of fear and guilt, they immediately express what they've been waiting to express their whole lives. They say the most beautiful fricking things. And you see reconciliation through family lines, forwards, backwards. It's nuts. And all it takes is letting go of fear and guilt. And then the cancer suddenly, not even the thing, it's finally overcoming the estranged kid who's been a spiritual drain on this parent and the guilt around five miscarriages or abortions. All these things that are buried underneath the surface of these cancers suddenly come to light, and the person is transformed. And watching people leap from the body intentionally out of joy knowing that they have a next mission is radically different than watching somebody die in the ICU with no hope. 

AUBREY: Right. It's something that actually Joe Dispenza, when I was at his workshop, he was explaining is, and a lot of the people who were there, is that you could do the work to cure the cancer, as this very outcome-driven approach, goal-oriented, masculine-driven approach, I'm going to do the work. But if you really do the work, then whether you cure the cancer or not, is not of the consequence, because you've elevated yourself and your consciousness to a state in which that no longer matters. You're living life with such fullness and such love. And so it's very challenging to imagine that we have that much power. But ultimately, the message is, alright, maybe the cancer has gone too far from a biological level and this is the path. But you do have a choice, if available to you, because of the awareness that you have. We all have a choice on how we orient ourselves to it. That's the  picking, that's the choosing. And how far that extends, well, this is part of the great mystery. Obviously, we've seen, I'm sure you've seen in, a lot of the people I talked to in Dispenza's gathering and Joe himself and everybody, massive, impossible, quote, spontaneous remissions, which was not so spontaneous, because they were working, meditating through the void and actualizing this reality 10 hours a day or whatever. But spontaneous, amazing things can happen. But really, fundamentally, ultimately, it just came down to, no, no, it's not about that. It's about the orientation to it. It's about the awareness of the entire spectrum. And I think that's the really empowering message here is to get out of this idea of like, death should be avoided at all cost. Well, not living should be avoided at all cost, death is natural. 

ZACH: Bingo. Because everything else is symptomatic. So we, finally, I think, are there with the common cold. People are like, oh, I'm getting kind of a cold. I should take echinacea, I could take some garlic, I should increase my wellness and the cold will go away. We somehow haven't applied that to cancer yet. It's a symptom of dysfunctional communication at the cell level, failure of the immune system, all that. But instead of saying, oh, I just need to get myself healthier, we see this as this like extrinsic attack on our otherwise—

AUBREY: Which is when we create the war on cancer. 

ZACH: The war on cancer. And patriarchal to be the band. So what is really intriguing to me right now is, as we take this next leap to understanding scientifically, how does somebody in a Dispenza event eliminate cancer through every single organ system in their body? How is that physically possible? And so my lab has been working kind of backwards into this by studying Roundup. Initially, we started to really witness change in water structure inside the human cells. Water structure inside of human cells, will tie us back to the virome in a second, but water structure inside a human cell is miraculous. 

AUBREY: Let me pause here one second, and I want you to pick up this thought right where it is. So remember. I want to just say that I've learned more about water from my cats than I'd ever thought possible. Because again, I've heard this. I've heard about the structure of water and the energy of water, and I've heard about all of these things. But I've reduced it in my materialistic, reductionist way, which is still a pattern that I hold in many things. Okay, well, this mountain valley water which I religiously drink, is like, this is the best. It has the right minerals, and it comes from the earth and I trust that. But the cats have taught me something else, because I could pour this mountain valley water and I could pour it in a dish. And I leave that dish flat and leave it there for two days. They will not fucking touch that water. But I flush the toilet. I flush the toilet and the water's swirling, and my shit goes down the drain, and there's probably a little bit of shit still in the toilet, and whatever other fucking cleaners in there. But they'll choose that. I mean, these animals are intelligent. They'll choose that water that's been circulating and cycling or alive. They prefer it out of the faucet, but they'll take the toilet. It's like living water. It's like they can sense that there's something different about the water as it's alive, as it's moving. And there's something happening there that we're not aware of. And they're mesmerized by it. Every time we take a shower, they'll just look at the water like they're looking at a psychedelic vision. And they probably are seeing it. I hypothesize, if we could get in the eyes of cats, we would be like whoa, they can see energy. They can see the energy of other prey like life forms that are... They see it. They see it in a way that we can't even imagine. Maybe they feel it but I think they see it. And I think they can see it and feel it in the water itself. And so, this to me has really opened my mind to, at least some of the things that you're talking about. How water is far more than we want to condense it to, from this microscopic view. 

ZACH: What's happening at the atomic level that you're witnessing there is clumping. And so when you have stagnant water or water that goes through non-natural flow states, if you put a 90 degree bend in a plumbing line, which there's thousands in every single household, all those 90 degree turns, break it out of normal flow state, and you get clumping of the water molecules. And so coming out of the tap, or sitting in a glass of water that you just poured, typically you've got clumps of 75 to 100 water molecules that are clumped together. And they're in an electrical relationship to each other, a biochemical kind of colloidal structure. When you put it into a natural vortex around a pebble in a stream, or swirling in that toilet bowl as you described, that vortex energy that's there, it breaks that organization of those large clumps. And you can get down to levels of 5, 12 molecules of water, which is now far more biologically active, and can be absorbed through cell membranes much better, all that. So we have certainly learned to kill water through every mechanism that we do in municipal water systems and hydraulics around all of our water systems. 

AUBREY: Let alone all the things that kill all the living things in the water, some of which may be helpful, but most of which, over time, the fluoride, the chlorine—

ZACH: Chlorine and herbicides, being the residue of all of it. And loss of life within is definitely losing that energetic state of the water. But interestingly, as soon as water passes into a cell, which remains one of the most mysterious things in biology, we still don't really know how water gets into a cell, because we just have these passive channels called aquaporins on the surface of cells that have no pump mechanism. We have pumps for everything else; sodium, potassium, minerals, insulin. We have all kinds of ways to get crap into cells. Water being the most important thing for cellular health, we can't figure out how that thing knows how to passively push through a cell. There's no way to suck it in. But it seems to be related to the electrical potential across the cell membrane. So like a battery, the more you insulate between the positive and negative charge, the higher the potential energy there. And so it's by creating this extraordinary charge potential across a very small distance of a cell membrane with perfect resistance through that phospholipid double membrane, you create an enormous electrical charge potential. And it's thought that it's the electoral charge potential that's being produced by the mitochondria, as it translates light energy from your food back into light energy, electrons, creating the electrical opportunity for water to enter the cell. And when it enters, it immediately crystallizes. When you've cut yourself, you've never leaked water out of yourself, which is so weird because you're 70% water. 

AUBREY: Whoa, what do you mean? What's blood? 

ZACH: Blood is not from the cell. You'll have blood which is liquid state, but it's outside of the cell. The cells, when you cut yourself, you'll disrupt millions, if not billions of human cells; skin cells, deep dermis, all this. No water leaks out. It's just blood. And in fact, in surgery, we're good at keeping blood flow really tight. We inject with epinephrine, all these little tricks to tense down that. So we can do huge surgeries with almost no bleeding. And so you're cutting through massive amounts of tissue. Heart surgery is just so dramatic. And there is no leak. There's no water there because it's not in a liquid state. It's actually in this fourth phase of water, which looks like a dense jello. And what it is, miraculously, is a crystalline structure of that H2O. And that crystalline structure lines up along the DNA of the strand of the virus or the human DNA that you receive from mom and dad to create an antenna system. And so the vibration of water around the double helix of the completed human DNA creates a vibrational antenna. And now when you hit that with light energy, it vibrates at a very specific frequency. And I believe that what gives you the ability to wake up every day thinking you're Aubrey and not me is not actually a cognitive process. It's actually a vibrational event where you always know. And if somebody came along and said, your name's not actually Aubrey, your parents lied to you. Your name is Phil. That's no problem for you. Because, alright, I'm actually Phil. But you haven't lost track of who you are at that biological level because you're still the same frequency of resonance. So it doesn't dumb down to, well, that's my name. No, there's an awareness of self. There's a coherence of memory of your body that's held at the water structure and its resonance around the DNA strand. 

AUBREY: So you think this accounts for, I was always thinking like, we were talking earlier, because I've gotten an apprentice in bodywork and energy work where I've been on someone's leg, let's say their left leg. And all of a sudden, we're in the dark, I'm doing bodywork on their left leg in a full trance state and there's something in the fascia in their left quad, or their IT band area, or whatever. And I'm manipulating the fascia, they burst into tears having a memory, a vision of something that they were carrying from their mother, let's say. 

ZACH: You're dowsing. You're dowsing at the water structure. 

AUBREY: And that's interesting, because I was thinking like, well, of course "The Body Keeps the Score," great book about this. But I was thinking like, well, we found neurons in the heart, we found neurons in other places. I was thinking that maybe the memory was stored in neuronal, just distribution through the fascia. But what you're saying is potentially, if I'm hearing you, it might be the water. 

ZACH: Memory's all in the water. Memory's all in the water. We've never found a database in the brain or peripheral nervous system that allows for long term memory. There's no structure. We have short term memory in the hippocampus, which is a tiny little size of an almond in the side of the brain. That's where we do short term memory processing into long term memory. But it disappears into this black box of long term memory. We don't know where the hell that's happening in the neurology side. But we know through water structure, that water carries memory at the molecular level in an exquisite state. And there's been bizarre abilities now to look at atomic structure to understand vibrational input. And there's a TED talk, I think 10 years back or something like that, maybe. But that showed how, I think it was a Stanford group, who had been able to reproduce a conversation that happened in a room with a bag of chips, open bag of chips. And they studied the atomic structure shift in the bag of chips to recreate the vibrational input that would have happened to create those before and after events of the atomic structure of the chip bag, and then show that that can be then translated back into voice and what vibrational vowels had to be spoken to change that atomic structure of the bag. 

AUBREY: That's mind-blowing even to fathom. I don't even think I even understand it. 

ZACH: Nobody really does. The point being vibration affects structure. And the memory of water is in this interface between the crystalline structure of the gel state of water in our cells and that electrical vibration from sunlight, from food, translation into energy, all of these things. The exciting thing that we are getting at, to put this full loop on where we are right now in human history, is we are right now losing fear and guilt. And it's not everybody. I think there's like we said, a dichotomous event happening right now. But if you would like to participate in the future of humankind, I would invite everybody to start to lose fear and guilt. And to do that, you have to lose judgment. There is no good and evil, there is no right and wrong. 

AUBREY: Asking a lot here, Zach. 

ZACH: All these are constructs of the human ego. We got to let go of the judgment to say, what if we are actually light being showing up right now for the highest vibrational potential. And as we see this dichotomous shift happening, perhaps for the first time in mass on the planet, between fear and guilt and the freedom of it, we're creating a new potential for human biology to have a genetics that then will wrap the water in a new state, where we start to lose the memory of all the trauma, the emotional BS, the denigrating belief systems. And our water itself starts to get stripped of that negative information. And the water structure in the cell of somebody who has freed themselves of fear and guilt, who has cancer, is likely to free themselves of that cancer because they are vibrating at a higher frequency. And so it's very intriguing that by the end of this decade, wouldn't it be interesting if there was at least a large segment of the population that started to be able to hold more light energy in the water structure of the human cell than has ever happened before? 

AUBREY: I 100% believe that. I can feel it happening and see things happening with people all around me that were impossible 5 years ago, 10 years ago. And perhaps it's because of the circles that I'm in. But I don't think so because it's the same people that I knew and all of a sudden, universally, they're coming online, especially in the feminine. Where all of a sudden, they can get into a trance state and be channeling an energy that's so powerful, that it's just, it's undeniable and devastating in its strength. And I say devastating in the most positive way. Like just utterly annihilating with how potent it is, in the feminine voice. And I've seen this. Several of my dear friends and sisters. Caitlyn and Deidre, I've known them both for 15 years. And I've seen all of a sudden in the last few years, just things click on. And after this, we're going to go to my farm and we'll check that out after this podcast. And we're going to go have a sound healing with Vylana. This makes me understand things even more because as I've been more in tune with my subtle body and also been deeper in my relationship, a sacred relationship with Ketamine and cannabis as a way to open myself to the void and bring my body's intelligence there with me, and not heavy doses, just light doses to open me to it, I've been able to actually feel, they call it sound healing. And I always thought like, well, that's a cool thing. It sounds good. And there must be a healer there who's doing the healing. I always gave the credit to the energy of the person and the sound sounded cool. But I can actually feel the sound healing me. But I don't understand it. I understood it as maybe vibration and whatever. But now thinking about the water in my body, I think it's actually reprogramming and restructuring some of the actual water in my cells. 

ZACH: It's really a cool phenomena. Actually, what's happening is remembrance. Your water is remembering the original math. And so sound healing works, if you've seen the sound vibration on a pool of water and see the different sacred geometry that emerges with different notes. 

AUBREY: Or with sand on a plate. 

ZACH: Sand on a plate. You can see this beautiful sacred geometry, which is reflected in the structure of the universe, the way that supernovas occur in the vacuum of space. All of these sacred geometries happen all over the place due to vibrational input in the interface between the physical world and the quantum world. And so, the exciting thing for me is realizing that nobody has ever healed anybody. Health always emerges from within. And it is a remembrance of your original structure, not some new development of a new body. 

AUBREY: And the sound is a vector of remembrance. 

ZACH: Sound is a vector to create the vibrational shape that becomes an antenna. And so that sacred geometry picks up universal information that's beaming down on the planet through gamma ray, and all sorts of electromagnetic field radiation from the universe. And I believe this is actually how astrology works, is that the stars and their positions, the planets and theirs, the position of our planet, in regard to that massive nuclear event that we call the sun, at the moment of our birth, is setting our water structure into a very specific vibration. And from that moment forward, we will receive all of the energetic information of the universe to the tune of that sacred geometry. And so when somebody strikes that A tuning fork in an orchestra, all the A strings start to vibrate. And so that's what's happening basically, as you start to retune the human water structure through something like sound therapy. Superseding plant medicine for me is definitely breathwork and sound and meditation—

AUBREY: I always recommend people start with—

ZACH: And so you're going to short-circuit your understanding of your own power if you think it's going to come from the plant. The plant is only there to remind you of like, this is within you. Now go get it. So the person that's doing their 200th Ayahuasca journey, maybe that's their calling. But a huge part of me is questioning, are you actually outsourcing your power to a plant that's trying to remind you of your power? And are you ready for the feminine archetype to rise within you, so you no longer need the mother to tell you who you are? So that's going to be, I think, our next threshold after this plant medicine phase that we're in. 

AUBREY: Well, the plant medicine, I think one of the crucial roles is they show you something incontrovertibly, a gnosis of a state of being that you didn't realize existed. And then from there, there's many ways, many, many ways to get back there. I mean, I'm releasing a documentary, by the time this podcast is out, it'll have been out for many weeks or a month. I don't know when we'll release this. But I was just in the darkness. Just the darkness, just the removal of things. And it was the most powerful, transformative experience of my life. And this endogenous DMT phenomenon occurred after day three, which I've been talking to some researchers. Either it was the increase of the endogenous levels of DMT, or it was the removal of the inhibitors of the DMT, the MAOI of effectively aspects. Whatever happened, I was having full visionary state for three days in this dark state. And this is a very old technology as well. So there's so many ways to go about this and to say, looking at it, everything has its sacred role. But I think this revolution in psychedelics is about okay, now y'all feel it? Y'all feel it? Good. Just like Craig Baucom when I was doing my first experience with chi. Like, you feel it? Okay. Don't forget. Now you know. That's the beauty of it. 

ZACH: So we're working on that application now. So if we know all this about our structure, we know that the genetics of the virome are helping push us towards adaptation for biodiversification of consciousness and biologic existence, how do we start structuring lifestyles around this? And so my clinic's been working for 10 years to really figure out what are those basic inputs of lifestyle that shape that biologic potential of the cell to hold water, ultimately, at a higher vibration of light, and to hold, move us towards that fourth density state. And so we've got this eight-week program that's so beautiful, because the work is actually done by the person themselves looking into the eyes of a coach. And so it's the one-on-one coaching that's just there as this perfect mirror. And so as the biology gets closer and closer to its potential, the healing never comes from the biology. Always happens at that spiritual awareness level. And then the breakthroughs happen, and people stop doing the job that's been sucking the life out of them. They start the company they've always wanted to start. They get out of the abusive relationship they've been in 30 years. They finally draw healthy boundaries with their children. Not because anything in the eight-step program is changing the way that their biology works and therefore, things happen. Their biology work, their light charge just slightly brighter for a moment. And the amount of clarity that they had in that moment was just a different body. And you see this ecstatic state of sensory experience start into it. And so with you in the dark, there must have been many times where you were in such a high vibrational system of energy through your body, that you weren't sure you were going to survive. I'm guessing. I don't know. 

AUBREY: It was intense. It was fucking intense. 

ZACH: And so you were literally being challenged to hold cellular structure together in the state of an atomic energy transition through your complete new vibration because you had been eliminated of senses for that long. And so you were reaching this vibrational state of capacity that was leading to inevitable detox of emotions, chemicals, genetics and you emerged different. And when you see that in Indigenous histories. There's Indigenous stories of you go into this cave, and you stay there for two weeks. And you come out and your cataracts are gone, your teeth are new. Just trippy stuff has been happening for thousands—

AUBREY: The healing was enormous. And there's a quote from Kabir, which I love. He's saying, all darkness disappears when you light the lamp in your heart. And that's really it. We're understanding the heart energy, this beautiful heart energy that we have. So we're coming to a close here. And I want to take one little journey before we get to, I think the end where I'd like to talk about is just a message to what people can do who've been inspired by this and who want to live in a different way. But first, I want to just take a quick detour into the virus again. Because we're in this state in which viruses, enemy number one. And there's the unclean and the clean. And we'll get into this with Charles Eisenstein, and he goes deep into this philosophy. So we won't go down that rabbit hole of how it's been presented from a socio-political level. But when Vylana got COVID, she got it early. Real early, like January. And she didn't test for it then, but very confident, based on symptoms and everything, that that's what it was. And has been exposed multiple times, hasn't gotten it, hasn't gotten since. And so it would seem that the forbidden natural immunity, which has been blocked as a hashtag from Instagram, has actually occurred miraculously. Somehow, natural immunity has occurred. But she said right from the drop, and she's an entirely intuitive person, she's like, this was an upgrade. I knew it. I knew it from the moment it happened. I knew it was an upgrade. And this is something that you're saying about these viruses. But then you're going to have the counter opinion saying, well, sometimes this upgrade fucking kills you. Sometimes the upgrade is too much. So what is your take, because it's hard to say that it's always an upgrade, when at certain points, it is going to cause death in certain people?

ZACH: I would say death is the biggest upgrade we can have. There is no greater upgrade. It is catastrophically, explosively expansive is death. And so it is such a violent rebirth. And it happens in millions of seconds. And so when we resuscitate people in the ICU, they so consistently come back with trippy stories of what happened in that eight minutes that they were dead. And the multigalactic journeys they take. The people they see on the other side with such clarity. Physical states of being that they now come back knowing exist. It's just an unbelievable expansion. And so is it really a failure of human biology when we choose to put 7.8 or maybe ultimately, 9 billion people on a single planet to accelerate the transmission of soul energy through a small, small space and a tiny little solar system, in a relatively small galaxy, in the middle of a massive universe? What could be the purpose? And some of the premises that have been suggested out there in the astrologic space that I find really fascinating in astrophysics is that the universe may actually have, and of course, once you start to think about it, it would have to have chakra points just like our human bodies. And so it is likely, I believe, that our galaxy in this far-flung little corner of a small galaxy is only important because it sits in a chakra center. And when I look at the descriptions of extraterrestrial intelligence, or channels, or all these words that are thrown around out there, or my own experience of meditation, of picking up vibrations of non-human vibrations, or sounds, or languages, whatever they are, when you're hearing stuff that's cosmic, whatever form it is, and I come back into the human state. If we have a chakra, I'm wondering if it's the heart chakra of the universe. Is the uniqueness of the human experience where we're able to cycle through love and despair so quickly, indicative that we sit at the very epicenter of some sort of energetic state within the universe. And therefore, the plight of humankind is so in interest to all of the universe. Because if we manage to stabilize this chakra center, does it change everything in the universe? And is that why perhaps, vibrational, spiritual, angelic, extraterrestrial, whatever words you can come up with, is it possible that all of history's myths that we've come to call religion or realities that we call religion, doesn't matter your perspective on it, is it possible those stories are real because we are this important? Not because homosapiens are important, but because this chakra center could change the way that the vibration in the entire universe happens. And so it's a very provocative image for me, that gives me this sense of, again, no judgment, is death a bad thing? No. We got to lose that construct. There's no way death is a bad thing. 

AUBREY: And simultaneously, leaving space for the deep grief and the deep compassion for those that it is hard to lose. It's hard to lose this form, this relationship, the ability to touch and feel someone in the flesh. I miss giving my uncle a hug and going to play tennis with him. I miss that. But he's not gone. I miss my mentor, Don Howard. I miss my grandma. I miss hugging them. I miss sitting around and telling stories and talking to him there. But I've connected to all of them in other ways, which is also beautiful. But nonetheless, like the grief needs to be wailed. It begs to be cried and expressed and felt. It's not a spiritual bypass of what's here in the 3D. Yes, fuck yes. Feel it. Feel it. It is part of our human experience to feel it, and also be able to zoom out and look at it from that other perspective. 

ZACH: And it's possible that grief itself is a good example of something that couldn't be done spiritually pure. That is a manifestation of reverence, and a sense of the sovereignty of that individual, and their influence on the nature and humans around them, the relationships. And I think it's been usurped because of Western medicines' influence on the belief of death and the contract, the special contract that we've come to believe in is that life is short and we have to agree on death and all this stuff. This special relationship of marriage has been applied to life itself now. And so we've come up with this very short thing. So grief now is intertwined with the genetics and expressions of guilt and fear. That's not a clean grief. 

AUBREY: Yeah. Martin Prechtel, in his book, "The Smell of Rain on Dust," talks about the indigenous understanding of grief. About it is an absolute celebration. Is declaring to God, the earth, the cosmos, how much you loved that person. And it’s an expression of love, and suppression of reverence. And it should be wailed, and the songs should be sung, and the tears should be shed. And he recommends going to the waters, to the waters themself, and immersing yourself in the waters, in your grief, and allowing the waters to carry the memory and remind yourself of that person. And there's this beautiful understanding which has been. And he talks about some fucking archbishop of Canterbury who squashed the grief practices and the wailing practices and say, this is not god, blah, blah, blah. You can see the extension of the bastardization of grief as a pure expression like we're talking about and how this is also another aspect of this more beautiful world our hearts know is possible, as Charles says, re-bringing this back, but in a different way. And just really recognizing this is sacred too. 

ZACH: It's beautiful. It's beautiful. I think that's perhaps why we would sign up for human life. If these are eternal souls, why the hell would something in singularity with the universe pick a dark planet with a dark human experience that has forgotten its connection to everything. Why would you pick that? And I think the answer is because the experience of temporal reality is kind of freaking cool. You don't have temporal relationships when you're in the singularity, when you're in the quantum phase. Everything's connected. Everything's infinite. Nothing's destroyed. Everything's clean. Everything's yin yang. Everything's light, dark, balanced, always. You would sign up for this journey so that you could perhaps sit in the sunshine on a day with your feet up and watch the sun tilt through the fine hairs on your lover's head. And marvel at the way that that creates this halo around their head. And you would wonder about the steam rising from that cup of tea. And ponder those seconds as they go by and feel the energy between the moments. You can't get that in singularity. You can't access that because there's no time. And so it's this breath hold moment of just like, it's so beautiful to watch a sunset, because you know that sun's going to drop under that horizon in just a couple seconds. And the display of light is so mind boggling. I love this picture you had of that Costa Rican sunset, or Tulum, maybe it was, where it's like a goddess shows up. And so you've just got this temporal moment where there's an expression of the universe—

AUBREY: The sky is pink and rich. And it's like a carpet of energy is laid out that's being displayed in colors. But if you'd listen a little bit deeper, you can hear the sound of the sunset, and you can smell the sunset, and you can feel the sunset on your skin. And it's not just an experience with the eyes, it's an experience with the entirety of the self. And if you're really there for that moment, then the existential question of why am I here? You don't ask that fucking question anymore. You know, ah, yes. 

ZACH: I'm here to witness the beauty. 

AUBREY: That's it. 

ZACH: That's why we're here. We're here to witness the beauty in temporal bodies, with minds that cannot comprehend the singularity because we wanted to let go of that for a moment so that we could be immersed in the belief of temporal and the belief of the finite. We're in an infinite game. We're playing a finite moment within it as particle beings, as expressions of light energy. And in that particle state, we disappear every millionth of a second and reappear. And so we are these vibrational particle events that we call human bodies. Within that is an extraordinary water system in a crystalline state that is picking up the energy of the universe to express a new vibration. I think that's why we're all here right now. 

AUBREY: Yeah. Well, let's finish. As we did in the last podcast, which was a beautiful moment, let's just take a few minutes to talk to people directly and just give them a transmission of whatever wants to come through. And I'm actually going to go use the restroom real quick. My meditative practice is not so strong that I can overcome the strong desire to pee. So I'm going to go do that and then we'll take a few moments to speak to people. Love it. Let's begin. 

ZACH: There's a soul seed within us that has all the genetic and water intelligence memories of the universe. Within us, the seed has the entire story, has the entire remembrance of the path. The future that sits before us is already known within the seed. Keeping the seed from sprouting is perhaps a sense of scarcity around the concept of love. It's desiccated the seed. We fear that there's not enough love for ourselves, for those around us. We've become afraid that perhaps the fabric of everything is love, and yet we look around at the struggles of love, and human experience, relationship, and relationship to the planet. If we dig deeper, then the emotion that might be described as love or the physical vibration of it. There's a deeper truth within the universe at the quantum state, the physics of everything, the fabric of everything is not love, it's actually beauty. When you start to consider the possibility that there is no end to beauty, when you start to really steep in the abundance of beauty within the sunset, within the smell of the food that you're about to consume with the loved ones that sit around the table with you, the new friends that sit at that table, to give you new enrichment of thought, genetic input, vibrational input. Step away from your clinging to love. Let go of that, open your hands, and welcome in the observation of beauty. Your entire neurologic system has been tuned to give an extraordinary capacity for appreciating the beauty of the universe. The Milky Way at night, the solar eclipse, the vibration of the ocean as it pounds on a beach. All of your senses are tuned to be an observer of the beauty of the universe. And when you shut down the human psyche and become an observer of beauty, you will immediately experience an overflow of a much truer vibration of love than you've perhaps ever had. And you will realize that love has no end to it because it is not a thing. It is an experience. It is an experience of witnessing beauty. And if we are at the heart chakra of the universe, then let us fall in love with the entire matrix of the universe through seeing all of its beauty. Turn to the person next to you tonight. And perhaps without words, stare into their eyes and start to be witness to the beauty. Each iris is like a supernova of intelligence and coloration. A star field within that pupil. Look into each other's eyes with your parents, your grandparents at the bedside of a hospital bed. Look into the eyes of another human being. See the fricking beauty there. Be overwhelmed by the miracle of vital life, the expression of a soul through a biological veil. Be in awe of the vibrations you can feel off of the skin of that person as you hold their hand. The crepe paper texture of the soft skin of your elder as they lay in bed. The texture of a child's fingers in your hand as you walk by their side. Be in awe. We're here on purpose. We are enough. The journey is okay. We can be free of judgment of our own shortcomings, and acknowledge our nascent state. Let go of fear and guilt. Make space for new vibrational density. Look to your food, your water, your company, your social networks, your communities, for opportunities for new connection, reconnection, hyper intelligence through our proximity to one another. Everything can shift. I'm so grateful to be witness to all of you, this energetic space. So empowered by your presence in my life, I have come to find myself to be beautiful this year. That's all I desire for you. She would see your own beauty. You are a sacred being. 

AUBREY: Spirit of father declared. Behold, I make all things new. When we see through the eyes of beauty, the true sight, we see the beauty in all things. Those things we judge, the people we denigrate, the situations that occur that may cause pain and suffering. They are real, yes. But through the eyes of beauty, we can see them in a new way. And in seeing them in a new way, they transform. The things themselves transform. We understand the inherent beauty as the substrate of all life, the infinite cycle of death and rebirth, of constant transformation. We see the beauty of a single moment. This moment, right now. As you listen to these words, if this moment is all there is, if this is all you ever have, take a deep breath. Breathe it in. Life, beauty, truth, love. It's always all around you. May the fog of delusion, conditioning, the judgments, the preferences. May they all just relax, softening their edges. Opening the veil so you can see through to the real truth. Real Truth. Wow. Wow. Wow. We are here. We are here. We are here. And that's enough. That's always enough. I love you as I love myself because we are the same. Different and the same. As with all life, thank you for saying yes. As you, as your godself, as the divine word that spoke into creation. The great home. The one tone. The one tone that said yes. Thank you. Thank you for saying yes. Through all the pain, through all the joy, it's all the emanation of the word yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 

ZACH: I see all your beauty today, brother. 

AUBREY: Likewise, brother. 

ZACH: I love you. 

AUBREY: I love you too, man. I love you too. That's a lot, to behold all this beauty. It's a lot. It's a lot of beauty. Ultimately, when I took my blindfold off at the end of that darkness, and I was overwhelmed with this emotion, and I was looking out at another sunset. And that was feeling like, it's so fucking beautiful. It's so beautiful. And we may not always see it, but it's always there. And when we do, it can be overwhelming. But that's what we live for. 

ZACH: Beautiful. Thank you. 

AUBREY: Yeah. Thank you, Zach. And thank you, everybody, for tuning in. We love you.